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May 10, 2017 13:40:59 GMT -8
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Post by bleedorange21 on May 10, 2017 13:40:59 GMT -8
I think Andersen badly needs a stud qb in this cycle. I would feel good if they could grab a four star but a true diamond in the rough would work as well. Willard and blount could develop but thats a big if. If they don't get a stud to take over after mcm and Luton are gone it could really halt the growth of this rebuild.
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May 11, 2017 8:50:45 GMT -8
Post by obf on May 11, 2017 8:50:45 GMT -8
We have a ton of offers out there: oregonstate.247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/Offers, 17 QBs offered, 10 of them 4 stars... Now will any of them accept? There in lies the rub... Hopefully casting a really wide net will finally catch us one? 2017 we only offered 9 QBs (1 5 star and 2 4 star) and got 2 of them (Luton and Willard, both 3 stars) actually accepted... I remember when I was like 12 I wrote Pamela Anderson a letter professing my love... I was crushed we she didn't return my affection Hopefully GA is more convincing than the 12 year old me
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May 11, 2017 8:55:50 GMT -8
Post by obf on May 11, 2017 8:55:50 GMT -8
For reference 2010 offers: 2 QBS (got 1 Sean Mannion (3*)) 2011 offers: 3 QBs (got 1 Peter Ashton (3*), converted to Safety) 2012 offers: 2 QBs (got 1 [Vanderdeen (3*), converted to TE) 2013 offers: 6 QBs (got 1, Kyle Kempt(3*), Muke Sel Freo offered, he would get here and transfer away eventually ) 2014 offers: 3 QBs (yikes why so few? We got 2 though! [Nick Mitchel(3*) , and McMaryion(3*)!]) -- Nick somehow rated higher than 3M, haha, poor Marcus has ALWAYS been underrated and ignored, smh... 2015 offers: 8 QBs (Including Josh Rosen , we got 1 [Seth Collins(3*), now a WR]) 2016 offers: 10 QB offers (we got 1 [Mason Moran(3*) now a safety]) 2017 offers: 9 QBs (we got 2 Luton(3*), Willard(3*)) 2018 offers: 17 QBs 2019 offers: 4 QBs so far Clearly GA taking a different approach than Riley did... Riley targeted just a few Qbs a year, and once he had his QB practically stopped recruiting QBs... But since Sean Mannion it has been whiff, whiff, whiff, from either coach... GA seems to be offering more QBs, not sure if it is a change of approach or just happenstance, but in 2017 GA looks to be ramping up the shotgun approach with SEVENTEEN offers... and probably more to come, smh... Hopefully we get one or two!
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May 11, 2017 8:58:39 GMT -8
Post by ochobeavo on May 11, 2017 8:58:39 GMT -8
We just offered Jake Dukart from Lake Oswego yesterday (he's at the bottom of the list/no stars). He was an ASU baseball commit up until yesterday and we offered the minute he de-committed, so it will be interesting if his recruitment picks up on the football front now.
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May 11, 2017 10:02:23 GMT -8
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 11, 2017 10:02:23 GMT -8
" But since Sean Mannion it has been whiff, whiff, whiff, from either coach..."
A lot of the "whiffing" is due to a change in offensive strategies, followed by a change in offensive strategies, followed by apparently another change in offensive strategies. Mannion was a 4 year starter, and deservedly so considering all the school and conference records. It doesn't mean others brought in after him were whiffs. If there had been no changes in coach or offense, Vanderveen was no slouch (watched him in practice back in the day we could watch), Del Rio was no slouch either, and McMaryion had one of the best games by a power 5 QB in recent years coming off very little practice. I suspect GA's QB recruiting will appear better as time goes on assuming they settle on on offensive style.
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May 11, 2017 10:50:07 GMT -8
Post by obf on May 11, 2017 10:50:07 GMT -8
" But since Sean Mannion it has been whiff, whiff, whiff, from either coach..." A lot of the "whiffing" is due to a change in offensive strategies, followed by a change in offensive strategies, followed by apparently another change in offensive strategies. Mannion was a 4 year starter, and deservedly so considering all the school and conference records. It doesn't mean others brought in after him were whiffs. If there had been no changes in coach or offense, Vanderveen was no slouch (watched him in practice back in the day we could watch), Del Rio was no slouch either, and McMaryion had one of the best games by a power 5 QB in recent years coming off very little practice. I suspect GA's QB recruiting will appear better as time goes on assuming they settle on on offensive style. Yup lots of scheme changes and established starters... Doesn't change the fact that they were whiffs, from a career achievement POV, who cares how they looked in practice... Even Truke Gel Hero, yup he got picked up by a (now middling) SEC team and started a few games, but he wasn't the starter by the end of the year (even though he had gotten healthy again) and his stats were meh (56.7% completion, 8 TD, 8 INT) Fantastically, though, you are correct... The one none Whiff is probably.... Marcus McMaryion! But I know, I have an idea... lets not start him
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May 11, 2017 16:06:54 GMT -8
Post by nabeav on May 11, 2017 16:06:54 GMT -8
Love these quotes from two QBs we're recruiting right now from recent Nemec stories in the Oregonian:
"Coach Andersen told me that I'm his guy," Dukart said. "It's really cool to hear that. He's putting his head on the line, his job on the line, for me. It's a great feeling." - Jake Dukart
"Shoot, I'd love to be done (recruiting QBs) by tomorrow if you say yes right now," White recalled Andersen saying. - Brevin White
I don't get recruiting at all.
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Post by beavis on May 19, 2017 9:31:35 GMT -8
We need a true identity for our offense for recruits to acknowledge with a matching skill set.
I still can't say wtf we are offensively. Except for the wrecking ball we all love.
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May 19, 2017 13:12:31 GMT -8
Post by obf on May 19, 2017 13:12:31 GMT -8
We need a true identity for our offense for recruits to acknowledge with a matching skill set. I still can't say wtf we are offensively. Except for the wrecking ball we all love. A HUGE part of Riley's overall, long term, success is that he was a Pro Set Offense Guy, one of the dwindling few left in college football, so he ALWAYS had a nice little in with the higher rated QBs in the country / West Coast. Plus, WR also knew that we were going to run a Pro route tree and get the ball to the WR a lot, so we recruited well there as well. It would be great to see a GA era identity form this year, even if that means Tough running and Defense are the calling cards with a game manager QB. I wouldn't mind seeing us become Running back and linebacker U again. Of course my dream is to be then new Offensive Lineman U, but beggars can't be choosers
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May 22, 2017 13:22:31 GMT -8
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Post by beavadelic on May 22, 2017 13:22:31 GMT -8
We need a true identity for our offense for recruits to acknowledge with a matching skill set. I still can't say wtf we are offensively. Except for the wrecking ball we all love. A HUGE part of Riley's overall, long term, success is that he was a Pro Set Offense Guy, one of the dwindling few left in college football, so he ALWAYS had a nice little in with the higher rated QBs in the country / West Coast. Plus, WR also knew that we were going to run a Pro route tree and get the ball to the WR a lot, so we recruited well there as well. It would be great to see a GA era identity form this year, even if that means Tough running and Defense are the calling cards with a game manager QB. I wouldn't mind seeing us become Running back and linebacker U again. Of course my dream is to be then new Offensive Lineman U, but beggars can't be choosers The whole identity thing is what I'd love to see established. I felt like GA may have heard an earful when arrived about Beaver Nation's desire around here to evolve into a spread-type offense in which our QB could make people pay with his feet as well as his arm. The PAC 12 - really college football in general - had become so enamored with the spread, and as we were flat-lining on the field, a lot of OSU faithful blamed Riley for "losing touch" and the pro set for being archaic. The only QB we had around here in 15 years who had both appropriate arm strength AND real running ability was Ryan Katz. Riley put guys in the league because the NFL will always prefer guys with big arms who are comfortable in the pocket. Just look at the number of really strong dual-threat kids in the college game today, then contrast that with the dearth of good QBs in any given NFL draft class. It was cool seeing our QBs ring up big stats and get a shot beyond college, but the college game mostly called for a different athlete.7 I'm guessing that GA felt compelled to change our offensive look radically, but his first year we were loaded with pro-set athletes on offense. Instead of accentuating the strengths in preparation to evolve over time into the offense that he wants, he took the hatchet to what was here and tried to create something we weren't equipped for in our personnel. We were supposed to be a spread-type team, but the best offenses either air raid it or run all over the place using the QB as a viable threat. If the spread is run effectively, an offense sets up the pass with the run, and receivers run wide open with easy throws for said QB. We did not have the horses to do this, had one of the worst offenses in America, and by the end of the first year, our only exciting threat was a QB who was injured and couldn't throw with any consistency...and ultimately switched to WR. At the end of GA'a first season, Nall broke loose and coupled with the supposed effectiveness and mastery of Garretson in this offense, I figured that we'd be a run-first power team, with an efficient field general who could spread the ball around and run enough to be a threat. In the end, Garretson turned out to be a nice reader and runner, but after the Minnesota game he couldn't hit an open receiver to save his soul. Nall didn't get the ball enough last year IMO, as we seemed to be trying to evolve into more of a passing team (I realize that he was banged up most of the year). When 3M took over again, we were a bit more balanced and effective, but he only started running and putting pressure on the defense at the end of the year. We finished on a nice note last November, but nobody seems clear about who we are - especially on offense. I know that our O-line, and the relative strengths of that group in conjunction with those of whomever they choose as our QB, will determine a lot of what we can do. The return of Harlow (now in the NFL) and playing the super soft part of our schedule late had much to do with us looking like we might be emerging as a power run team. With Nall, Pierce and perhaps Thomas Tyner, we could be so loaded that any decent combo on the line and a QB with decent running skills have a chance to make us a very good running team. The problem is that I still hear talk about a more pass-happy attack. If Luton is as good as the coaches say, or 3M can be consistent throwing, it looks like we have a stable of new talent on the outside to air it out more. I would love to see Villamin finish his career here with the type of production he deserves and is capable of as well. With tight ends who are more finesse and pass-catchers/receivers than blockers, we don't appear to have grind it out personnel at a lot positions, but it would be cool to have our skill kids perform well enough in the run game that we could keep defenses off-balance. I feel like the ideal offense would appear to be the more balanced type that we used to see, except that we would run to set up the pass, rather than the other way around like MR's pro style did. It's year 3 now, and I feel like opponents should be able to say, "When you play the Beavers, they will....". Not in a sense that we are so predictable that we bog down and are easy to defend, but more like, "they're going to ram it down our throats and dare us to stop them. If we don't commit to doing that, they'll pound us. If we do, they'll make us pay with play action, quick stuff and they won't be afraid to go over the top". Like all good offenses, we need to either be so strong up front and skilled that the D knows what we're doing and still can't stop it, or diverse enough to adjust to what they are giving us and exploit that. I just still am not sure that I know who we are on offense. While we appear to have some direction on D and are upgrading the talent there, our offense is more perplexing.
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May 24, 2017 16:57:40 GMT -8
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Post by robobeav on May 24, 2017 16:57:40 GMT -8
It sounds like we have a real shot at White. Talked us up even after returning from some east coast visits. From his own commments we should know in a month or so. It would be nice to have a high rated QB commited during the summer.
Judging from who we've taken last year and are offering this year I don't think we looking at running a spread like we've seen out *ucks and I doubt we swing the other way and run an air raid. Reading between the lines Anderson seems to want a balanced or even run first offense without giving up options to do things like called QB runs or 5 wide sets. I think he just wants to have a wide open offense. We probably aren't going to see a pro style QB under center more than not offense though.
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May 26, 2017 20:07:17 GMT -8
Post by zebraworks on May 26, 2017 20:07:17 GMT -8
running the ball could beat better teams in the Pac if we had a passing threat. So far GA teams have no passing threat that is viable. Against better teams having a sustained drive is like a MIRACLE for GA's offense! Our identity is that we are a horrible passing team that can't march down the field.
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