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Post by nabeav on May 1, 2017 10:12:37 GMT -8
But since all we seem to do here is find reasons why this team isn't *that* good, here's some things to complain about:
We gave up nine runs this weekend. NINE!
Nick Madrigal only got one hit on Saturday. Clearly we can't win unless he gets multiple hits.
Even though we won on Friday, we left 8 runners on base. USC only left two!
Our conference lead is down to just 4 5.5 games. PANIC!
Also, how's this for a stat. If we gave up 50 Earned Runs over our last 15 games (an ERA of 3.33) and Stanford didn't allow another run all season, we'd still finish with the best ERA in the league.
But, you know....ALL THAT BAD STUFF! I love juxtaposition between this and football, where every post is like "yeah we lost by two touchdowns, but TOUGHNESS and GRIT!"
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Post by gnawitall on May 1, 2017 10:20:34 GMT -8
Human nature's a b#@%(
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Post by mtbeaver on May 1, 2017 11:14:04 GMT -8
4 game lead? D1 shows us up 5.5 on Stanford...what am I missing?
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Post by orangeblood on May 1, 2017 11:30:53 GMT -8
What you are missing is that nabeav thinks the conference lead is the difference in losses.
GB formula: Subtract number of wins team #2 (Stanford) has (11) from number of wins team #1 (OSU) has (18) = 7
Subtract number of losses team #1 (OSU) has (3) from number of losses team #2 (Stanford) has (7) = 4
add the two together ... 7 + 4 and divide by 2 = 5 1/2
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Calculate number of games over .500 team #2 (Stanford) is (4) from number of games team #1 (OSU) is over .500 (15) = 11 and divide by 2
Other than that I think nabeav makes excellent points
Worth noting that the second place team in the Pac-12 is closer to last place than it is to first place.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 1, 2017 11:35:04 GMT -8
4 game lead? D1 shows us up 5.5 on Stanford...what am I missing? I believe that it is four games in the loss column. Stanford started 5-7 in conference (5-4 against teams other than Oregon State), but has railed off six straight and eight straight overall, including a mid-week win against California. Two weeks ago, the Cardinal were 7.5 games back. Since, they have pared Oregon State's lead to 5.5 games. |
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Post by mtbeaver on May 1, 2017 11:36:53 GMT -8
Agreed that he makes great points. I just started to "panic" myself when I thought my math was off. Kind of ignored all the other good points he was making after that. Don't care how we win, just keep winning!
On another subject, Ducks need tomorrow nights win badly. Excited to see how the Beavs decide to win this one!
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Post by tamatrix on May 1, 2017 11:53:23 GMT -8
hole pitched Yovan 3 innings yesterday, I'd be shocked if he threw again tomorrow, but never know...doesn't hurt if that's the case
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Post by gnawitall on May 1, 2017 12:24:19 GMT -8
hole pitched Yovan 3 innings yesterday, I'd be shocked if he threw again tomorrow, but never know...doesn't hurt if that's the case what's his story? Chech all star? |
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Post by nabeav on May 1, 2017 13:17:09 GMT -8
Agreed that he makes great points. I just started to "panic" myself when I thought my math was off. Kind of ignored all the other good points he was making after that. Don't care how we win, just keep winning! On another subject, Ducks need tomorrow nights win badly. Excited to see how the Beavs decide to win this one! A good reminder to me to check my stats, because one slip up can invalidate an entire argument. I saw we were 4 games up in the loss column and didn't do the math to see if we'd played the same number of games...an assumption I made forgetting there are an odd number of baseball teams (11) in the Pac-12, thus meaning one team plays a non-con series every weekend, and ours comes up last. My bad, thanks for correcting. (I also corrected the first post, so that future visitors to this thread aren't led astray by my egregious error) |
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Post by jdogge on May 2, 2017 7:00:53 GMT -8
But since all we seem to do here is find reasons why this team isn't *that* good, here's some things to complain about: We gave up nine runs this weekend. NINE! Nick Madrigal only got one hit on Saturday. Clearly we can't win unless he gets multiple hits. Even though we won on Friday, we left 8 runners on base. USC only left two! Our conference lead is down to just 4 5.5 games. PANIC! Also, how's this for a stat. If we gave up 50 Earned Runs over our last 15 games (an ERA of 3.33) and Stanford didn't allow another run all season, we'd still finish with the best ERA in the league. But, you know....ALL THAT BAD STUFF! I love juxtaposition between this and football, where every post is like "yeah we lost by two touchdowns, but TOUGHNESS and GRIT!" Yeah, but they don't pass the "eyeball" test ... |
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Post by eugenedave on May 2, 2017 8:53:42 GMT -8
For whatever reason, a significant portion of our fan base looks for the negative when the Beavs start having success. I guess that's what playing second fiddle does to a lot of folks, who think that the sun rises and sets on football. We have lots of historical reasons to be insecure about football, but NOT baseball. When it comes to baseball, we have owned this state, and will continue to own it.
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Post by baseba1111 on May 2, 2017 9:08:29 GMT -8
For whatever reason, a significant portion of our fan base looks for the negative when the Beavs start having success. I guess that's what playing second fiddle does to a lot of folks, who think that the sun rises and sets on football. We have lots of historical reasons to be insecure about football, but NOT baseball. When it comes to baseball, we have owned this state, and will continue to own it. It's called being real. Every team has flaws. Only certain types see them as "negatives" vs critiques and some obvious weaknesses. I'd rather be honest than a Pollyanna who then makes lame unfounded excuses why a team doesn't reach "their" expectations... that like the critiques are pure opinion. 34-4... 19-19... the same weaknesses are there. It has nothing to do with success or a "2nd fiddle" mentality. |
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Post by nabeav on May 2, 2017 9:35:12 GMT -8
For whatever reason, a significant portion of our fan base looks for the negative when the Beavs start having success. I guess that's what playing second fiddle does to a lot of folks, who think that the sun rises and sets on football. We have lots of historical reasons to be insecure about football, but NOT baseball. When it comes to baseball, we have owned this state, and will continue to own it. It's called being real. Every team has flaws. Only certain types see them as "negatives" vs critiques and some obvious weaknesses. I'd rather be honest than a Pollyanna who then makes lame unfounded excuses why a team doesn't reach "their" expectations... that like the critiques are pure opinion. 34-4... 19-19... the same weaknesses are there. It has nothing to do with success or a "2nd fiddle" mentality. I don't have a problem with pointing out that there might be a few chinks in the armor (apologies to Jeremy Lin for using that phrase). It's the constant "this team is in trouble" or "we don't have what it takes to get to Omaha" stuff that drives me up a wall. We are winning almost 90% of our games. Sometime over the past month, everything went from "this team is special" to "this team needs to figure out what ails it if it wants to hold up a trophy in June." In the last month we've gone 14-3 (11-2 on the road). Any other team, any other season and this is seen as a phenomenal April setting us nicely for the run to the playoffs. Now it's "we're 7-3 in games Fehmel starts, that is UNACCEPTABLE." |
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Post by obf on May 2, 2017 9:59:19 GMT -8
It's called being real. Every team has flaws. Only certain types see them as "negatives" vs critiques and some obvious weaknesses. I'd rather be honest than a Pollyanna who then makes lame unfounded excuses why a team doesn't reach "their" expectations... that like the critiques are pure opinion. 34-4... 19-19... the same weaknesses are there. It has nothing to do with success or a "2nd fiddle" mentality. I don't have a problem with pointing out that there might be a few chinks in the armor (apologies to Jeremy Lin for using that phrase). It's the constant "this team is in trouble" or "we don't have what it takes to get to Omaha" stuff that drives me up a wall. We are winning almost 90% of our games. Sometime over the past month, everything went from "this team is special" to "this team needs to figure out what ails it if it wants to hold up a trophy in June." In the last month we've gone 14-3 (11-2 on the road). Any other team, any other season and this is seen as a phenomenal April setting us nicely for the run to the playoffs. Now it's "we're 7-3 in games Fehmel starts, that is UNACCEPTABLE." Totally agreed, NABeav, the tone has gotten very ... presumptive? Like we have been conditioned as Beaver fans to wait until the other shoe drops? I think a lot of it comes from Mike Parker... It feels like he calls the game that way a lot. I have tuned in late to games many times (not just this season) and assumed we were losing because of his tone and phraseology just to find we were winning or tied, smh. Just like the whole LOB, here we go again, trope. We beaver fans are so easy and eager to gnaw on the bone of the few warts a team may have, instead of celebrate that great things they have done. I remember during the 2012 football 6-0 start or the 2013 6 game winning streak for football feeling the same way, like a lot of Beaver fans were just waiting for a bad loss, or for someone to realise we had accidentally played with 12 guys the whole time and we had to forfeit all the wins. FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with Beaver fans, actually (even though I just used "we beaver fans" three times earlier  ), just human nature. we guard ourselves because we have felt pain before when we get excited about something and it disappoints us. It is all probably our father's faults... missing a birthday or something  I was (am still sorta) a big Mariner fan and this feeling pervaded during the 2001 116 win season, and eventually we were right, we lost in the playoffs Anywho, baseba1111 is correct, no team is perfect and certainly this beaver team is far from perfect. I am sure Pat Casey is working on these issues as we speak type. Personally, as a fan, I prefer to revel in the positives and let the coaches / players worry about what needs to be improved. I also recognise that winning a championship relies on so many things OTHER than the teams skills and play, and so wont be terribly destroyed if we don't win the "natty". As far as others wanting to air grievances and concerns about the teams failings (few as they may be) I mostly just see it like I see Mike Parker... a GREAT play by play guy and when he starts into the, "Sigh, *long pause* another strike looking, *LONGER PAUSE* the beavs leave another man on base and we go to the top of the 3rd, beavs only up 2-0" routine I just chuckle, smile and think, SWEET! we are up 2-0! |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 2, 2017 10:14:08 GMT -8
I don't have a problem with pointing out that there might be a few chinks in the armor (apologies to Jeremy Lin for using that phrase). It's the constant "this team is in trouble" or "we don't have what it takes to get to Omaha" stuff that drives me up a wall. We are winning almost 90% of our games. Sometime over the past month, everything went from "this team is special" to "this team needs to figure out what ails it if it wants to hold up a trophy in June." In the last month we've gone 14-3 (11-2 on the road). Any other team, any other season and this is seen as a phenomenal April setting us nicely for the run to the playoffs. Now it's "we're 7-3 in games Fehmel starts, that is UNACCEPTABLE." Totally agreed, NABeav, the tone has gotten very ... presumptive? Like we have been conditioned as Beaver fans to wait until the other shoe drops? I think a lot of it comes from Mike Parker... It feels like he calls the game that way a lot. I have tuned in late to games many times (not just this season) and assumed we were losing because of his tone and phraseology just to find we were winning or tied, smh. Just like the whole LOB, here we go again, trope. We beaver fans are so easy and eager to gnaw on the bone of the few warts a team may have, instead of celebrate that great things they have done. I remember during the 2012 football 6-0 start or the 2013 6 game winning streak for football feeling the same way, like a lot of Beaver fans were just waiting for a bad loss, or for someone to realise we had accidentally played with 12 guys the whole time and we had to forfeit all the wins. FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with Beaver fans, actually (even though I just used "we beaver fans" three times earlier ), just human nature. we guard ourselves because we have felt pain before when we get excited about something and it disappoints us. It is all probably our father's faults... missing a birthday or something I was (am still sorta) a big Mariner fan and this feeling pervaded during the 2001 116 win season, and eventually we were right, we lost in the playoffs Anywho, baseba1111 is correct, no team is perfect and certainly this beaver team is far from perfect. I am sure Pat Casey is working on these issues as we speak type. Personally, as a fan, I prefer to revel in the positives and let the coaches / players worry about what needs to be improved. I also recognise that winning a championship relies on so many things OTHER than the teams skills and play, and so wont be terribly destroyed if we don't win the "natty". As far as others wanting to air grievances and concerns about the teams failings (few as they may be) I mostly just see it like I see Mike Parker... a GREAT play by play guy and when he starts into the, "Sigh, *long pause* another strike looking, *LONGER PAUSE* the beavs leave another man on base and we go to the top of the 3rd, beavs only up 2-0" routine I just chuckle, smile and think, SWEET! we are up 2-0! Agreed... "trends" are ok to point out, but every time it happens as the game plays out is a bit "chicken little". The funny thing, there has not been one post that says that this team isn't deserving or bad or going fall on it's face. I don't see "not passing the eye test" as overly negative. It's just opinion based on previous experiences and knowledge. Every season is different and the comparing of stats, rpi, records, etc is truly meaningless when it comes to actual results. I love it when others call people out on their opinions, cuz we all know they predicted 34-4 and 5.5 game Pac12 lead. 😉 |
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), just human nature. we guard ourselves because we have felt pain before when we get excited about something and it disappoints us. It is all probably our father's faults... missing a birthday or something 
I was (am still sorta) a big Mariner fan and this feeling pervaded during the 2001 116 win season, and eventually we were right, we lost in the playoffs