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Post by nabeav on May 5, 2017 12:45:51 GMT -8
I like how you guys knock Tinkle's smaller school background and then suggest we hire a coach like Rueck who came from George Freaking Fox. Also, I don't remember anyone saying "don't recruit the 6'10" kid from Troutdale that can jump out of the gym. That seems like a terrible idea." The juco kid whose name I've already forgotten was a whiff for sure, but by and large his recruiting classes have all been above average for Oregon State historically. It's not like other coaches at OSU haven't taken fliers on talented kids with questionable academic or attitude issues, or seen a couple transfers on their watch: Eric Moreland, Victor Robbins, Langston Morris Walker, CJ Giles, Devon Collier, Hallice Cooke, Daniel Deane, Jimmie Haywood, etc. have all been suspended or ended up transferring at some point.
I'll base Wayne's success or lack thereof against the coaches who came before him at Oregon State, and so far he's basically hit the high water mark and the low (or close to) water mark of the last 30 years here. I'd like to see some consistency going forward like everyone else, but do I think he's on the hot seat? Only if we have 3 or fewer wins in conference next season, IMO.
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Post by baseba1111 on May 5, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -8
I like how you guys knock Tinkle's smaller school background and then suggest we hire a coach like Rueck who came from George Freaking Fox. Also, I don't remember anyone saying "don't recruit the 6'10" kid from Troutdale that can jump out of the gym. That seems like a terrible idea." The juco kid whose name I've already forgotten was a whiff for sure, but by and large his recruiting classes have all been above average for Oregon State historically. It's not like other coaches at OSU haven't taken fliers on talented kids with questionable academic or attitude issues, or seen a couple transfers on their watch: Eric Moreland, Victor Robbins, Langston Morris Walker, CJ Giles, Devon Collier, Hallice Cooke, Daniel Deane, Jimmie Haywood, etc. have all been suspended or ended up transferring at some point. I'll base Wayne's success or lack thereof against the coaches who came before him at Oregon State, and so far he's basically hit the high water mark and the low (or close to) water mark of the last 30 years here. I'd like to see some consistency going forward like everyone else, but do I think he's on the hot seat? Only if we have 3 or fewer wins in conference next season, IMO. Jump off the deep end there! Pretty sure anyone not looking to argue could say anyone "knocked" his small school background. Basically it was the fact that recruiting is much different and he has really not done all that well... especially if you subtract the sons and "whiffs". WT has not only shown much improvement in Frosh, but we've missed out on many many JC types. What should have been a plus year to draw kids after a NCAA appearance there was no improvement. In fact JQ was the only real contributor from this class. You can compare to other coaches all you'd like, but it's apples to oranges. Different eras, different systems, different level of recruiting competition as the league has changed. The bottom line you can only compare WT to WT. PS- All of the "questionable" kids you list contributed a whole heck of a lot... a lot more than WT's transfers have by far. You sort of proved the point you argue. I'd take any of those kids in the last couple of classes. We'll see what the future brings, but WT needs to bring in "coachable" talent. Not necessarily 4/5*, but kids that mesh with his style and system(what ever it may end up being... a lot of similarity to football on that topic!). That is what SR has done since he's has gotten here. Now, he is reaping the rewards, as he is getting that type of kids who are also 4/5* talents. So far WT can be applauded for the NCAA berth, running a program of integrity (although I question how some player attitudes/demeanor was handled/maybe let slide and never effected PT), and recruiting family members. But, really anything else is a true reach at this point. |
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Post by jdogge on May 5, 2017 13:22:13 GMT -8
Two quotes from article that concern me: 1) "Coach Tinkle has made it clear that they want what's best for me even if the team might suffer," Eubanks said. "... If they produce players that go professional, that can only help them because it opens up recruiting."First, looking at the long list of players that we have in professional leagues around the world, I do not see how that has boosted our recruiting over the years. Second, if Tinkle is going to play the "we are too young to compete" card to explain last season, I don't see that squaring with helping players leave early - leaving a team heavy in underclassmen. 2) "Eubanks trained at Impact Basketball in Las Vegas during OSU's spring break, where he said he spent three hours per day in one-on-one workouts. Rather than post moves, Eubanks primarily worked on extending his range, developing his catch-and-shoot skills and shooting off the dribble around the perimeter."If we need a post-up player for our offense, Eubanks' NBA training regiment does nothing for the team. If he comes back, will he dictate how he is used? This seems like a potentially toxic situation. It also seems to reflect the same problems Tinkle said he had with the team last year. No one would listen to him. Are we stuck in recruiting pergatory? Can't get the one-and-done pipeline of players that can compete in the league, and instead settle for marginal prospects that put their NBA hopes above the team game? Drew's apparent "me-first" attitude is interesting. Could THAT have been the problem? Was Drew a cancer in the clubhouse? I don't know anything "inside." I'm just posing the question. |
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Post by obf on May 8, 2017 15:42:13 GMT -8
Wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last that a highly talented, yet negative presence left a team and the team gets way better... Ken Griffey Jr. getting traded to the reds broke my young Mariners fan heart, but then, almost magically it seemed, the 2001 rose bloomed out of those ashes... granted Freddy Garcia and Mike Cameron were better than expected and they signed some stranger from Japan who just happened to be a HOFer... Of course the Mariners proceeded to turn that rose into the pile of crap they became in the playoffs that year and in every year since... but I digress  Point being... If you don't want to be here Drew, then don't let the door hit you on the way out (which is pretty much what Tinkle was saying in a nice way). Now lets go WT, go recruit us some Playaz! |
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Post by bbfan on May 9, 2017 9:56:21 GMT -8
Drew is still in school, still working out with the team...but he seems to have an attitude that he is going to prove everyone wrong because he (and whoever is getting into his head) is smarter than all the scouts, teams etc. He was certain he was getting a combine invite when he had little to no chance. He is just waiting for 1 NBA team to express interest and he is signing with an agent. I am at the 80% he is gone and in the grand scheme, that might not be a bad thing....
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 18:58:28 GMT -8
How back is he really?
Hope he checks his individual aspirations at the door.
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