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Post by eugenedave on Apr 12, 2017 20:34:35 GMT -8
Nate has crafted the finest pitching staff in the country. We have three pitchers (Mulholland, Heimlich, and Thompson) who are in the top 2% for ERA this year. That is a huge reason why we have lost only one game. Can't score if you don't get on base.
I don't think Nate is going anywhere, but if you worry warts want to worry, discuss this.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 12, 2017 20:46:15 GMT -8
There are a lot more good asst/pitching coaches. As long as PC is in charge he'll find and be able to draw the best and best fit.
On top of that most elite pitchers coming from HS, like Jake, are well coached and developed. Not that they are finished products, but as long as we get that type of recruit I'm not worried about Nate leaving. We did just fine when Spence left.
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Post by eugenedave on Apr 12, 2017 20:53:05 GMT -8
There are a lot more good asst/pitching coaches. As long as PC is in charge he'll find and be able to draw the best and best fit. On top of that most elite pitchers coming from HS, like Jake, are well coached and developed. Not that they are finished products, but as long as we get that type of recruit I'm not worried about Nate leaving. We did just fine when Spence left. Are you saying you don't think Nate is an excellent pitching coach? Who do you think it is that develops these guys? It isn't coincidence that we are #1 in pitching. |
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Post by blackbug on Apr 12, 2017 21:00:32 GMT -8
I had thought a little about this recently. With constant success of our program it seems like we would have more assistants leaving for promotions. It does not seem to happen much to me. Maybe I am missing it. The biggest thing is it seems like our 2 main assistants (Associate head coach and assistant coach) would be taking head coaching jobs fairly regularly as they leave here. Any thoughts on this?
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Post by orangeexpress on Apr 12, 2017 21:03:51 GMT -8
There are a lot more good asst/pitching coaches. As long as PC is in charge he'll find and be able to draw the best and best fit. On top of that most elite pitchers coming from HS, like Jake, are well coached and developed. Not that they are finished products, but as long as we get that type of recruit I'm not worried about Nate leaving. We did just fine when Spence left. We were not exactly world beaters the one year that neither Spencer nor Yeskie served as our pitching coach (2008); I would not automatically state that anyone can fill that role and succeed. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 12, 2017 21:43:01 GMT -8
There are a lot more good asst/pitching coaches. As long as PC is in charge he'll find and be able to draw the best and best fit. On top of that most elite pitchers coming from HS, like Jake, are well coached and developed. Not that they are finished products, but as long as we get that type of recruit I'm not worried about Nate leaving. We did just fine when Spence left. We were not exactly world beaters the one year that neither Spencer nor Yeskie served as our pitching coach (2008); I would not automatically state that anyone can fill that role and succeed. Did I say "anyone"? Stated there are a lot more good asst coaches than HCs. And... also answering Eugenedave in this post... when did I state Nate was not a good coach? But, being #1 so far this year is as much to do with talent and maturity as Nate's influence or heck we'd be this good on the mound every year?! As much as you might stereotype my posts you might try actually reading posts and not interpret them based on your bias. So does "discuss this" mean only in certain terms?? Lol |
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Post by COBeav on Apr 13, 2017 7:45:20 GMT -8
Hey baseba1111 .... you wrote, "There are a lot more good asst/pitching coaches."
I didn't see at all where you said, "......there are a lot more good asst coaches than HCs." I didn't see you saying he wasn't a good coach, just that you think there are a lot more good asst coaches than him. The period ending your first sentence doesn't leave much room to make it equal to what you said in your second (reply) quote.
But I too wonder why he hasn't left for a HC job. He must be awfully content in Corvallis working for PC huh?
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 13, 2017 8:20:58 GMT -8
Hey baseba1111 .... you wrote, "There are a lot more good asst/pitching coaches." I didn't see at all where you said, "......there are a lot more good asst coaches than HCs." I didn't see you saying he wasn't a good coach, just that you think there are a lot more good asst coaches than him. The period ending your first sentence doesn't leave much room to make it equal to what you said in your second (reply) quote. But I too wonder why he hasn't left for a HC job. He must be awfully content in Corvallis working for PC huh? Again... "than him" wasn't typed or implied. The thread title refers to another post of replacing PC... hence, replacing Yeskie would be much easier than replacing PC... "there are a lot more good asst coaches". My 2nd reply was to clarify the 1st, hence connecting and adding, "... than HCs". So, again replacing Nate will be a much much much easier task than replacing PC. And, I personally would have no worries if he left for a HC job... even within the Pac12. |
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Post by jimbeav on Apr 13, 2017 10:12:11 GMT -8
How soon we all forget the moniker "Late Yeskie". There have been a few stinker seasons in the last decade, highlighted by some very frustrating pitching. But I think a lot of that has been PC re-calibrating his recruiting philosophy and priorities once his program suddenly jumped to elite status. Those first few years after the national championships looked to me like we had quite a few prima donna's on the team, as we suddenly had the pick of elite players across the country. And I think it's no coincidence that Pat was seriously pondering hanging up his cleats for good around that time.
But he now seems to be locked and loaded in zeroing in on the top-notch talent that is also hungry, coachable, and team-oriented. As long as we can maintain that, I think all of our assistants are replaceable if they leave.
That said, Yeskie has done an awesome job this year, no question.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 13, 2017 11:02:11 GMT -8
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 13, 2017 11:34:31 GMT -8
I'm sure we can debate Yeskie vs PC's influence on our pitchers or recruiting vs development once they get here - but either way, this is a pretty impressive list (From Yeskie's Roster Bio). We've been spoiled in the pitching department.
Pitching Honors Under Yeskie
All-Pac-10/12
2009: Sam Gaviglio (HM), Kevin Rhoderick (HM), Tyler Waldron (HM)
2010: Matt Boyd (HM), Greg Peavey (HM), Kevin Rhoderick (HM)
2011: Sam Gaviglio, Tony Bryant, Josh Osich (HM)
2012: Dan Child (HM), Jace Fry (HM),
Ben Wetzler (HM)
2013: Matt Boyd, Andrew Moore (Pac-12 FOY), Ben Wetzler, Scott Schultz (HM)
2014: Jace Fry (Pac-12 POY), Ben Wetzler, Scott Schultz (HM)
2015: Andrew Moore, Drew Rasmussen
2016: Bryce Fehmel (HM)
All-America
2009: Sam Gaviglio (Freshman)
2010: Matt Boyd (Freshman)
2011: Sam Gaviglio
2012: Jace Fry (Freshman)
2013: Andrew Moore (Freshman & Overall), Matt Boyd
2014: Jace Fry, Ben Wetzler
2015: Andrew Moore, Drew Rasmussen (Freshman), Mitch Hickey (Freshman)
2016: Bryce Fehmel (Freshman & Overall)
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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 13, 2017 11:40:33 GMT -8
It's amazing how good a coach looks when the staff is #1 in the nation.  And vice-versus!  Go Beavs Never meet a jockey that was faster than the horse he was riding ! |
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Post by beaverama1 on Apr 13, 2017 11:43:51 GMT -8
Yeah it's hard to argue with Yeskie's credentials especially when it comes to starting guys. Our development and management of the bullpen has been questionable at times but even our bad years have been near the top of the conference in ERA and other stats. No inside info but I have to imagine he's had other opportunities already -- those 2013 and 2014 years were incredible pitching-wise. Not sure if the right thing just hasn't come along or if he's just comfortable working with Casey, making six figures in Corvallis, and winning a ton of games.
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Post by avidbeaver on Apr 13, 2017 20:12:57 GMT -8
Yeah it's hard to argue with Yeskie's credentials especially when it comes to starting guys. Our development and management of the bullpen has been questionable at times but even our bad years have been near the top of the conference in ERA and other stats. No inside info but I have to imagine he's had other opportunities already -- those 2013 and 2014 years were incredible pitching-wise. Not sure if the right thing just hasn't come along or if he's just comfortable working with Casey, making six figures in Corvallis, and winning a ton of games. Yeskie made a base salary of $110,004 in 2016 |
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