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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 10, 2017 7:29:31 GMT -8
Could we have used Berger last year? Heck yeah - Dahlen started 10 games and averaged 10 mpgHopefully this isn't the last addition to the roster. But to get a seasoned player who can give us some height and energy off the bench for 1 year? I'm sure he'll contribute more than Keondre Dew did! And their stats are damn close, but Dahlen played in much tougher league... Berger: 10.2 min, 2.6 pts, 2.3 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.5 to, fg: 50.8% ft: 62.5% 3p: 21.1% Dahlen: 10.4 min, 1.5pts, 1.9 rebs, 0.6 ast, 0.3 stl, 0.1 blk, 0.7 to, fg: 50.0% ft: 50.0% 3p: 0% For whatever it's worth... there is no way Berger can miss layins as badly as Dahlen did! Berger isn't a game changer, but he should add a little more of the bench than Dahlen supplied. While, the PAC12 is a better conference top to bottom, the Atlantic 10 is a decent conference. And though they had similar overall stats, Berger's conference stats are a little better than Dahlen's this past year: Berger: 8.7 min, 2.6 pts, 2.2 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.4 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.3 to, fg: 47.2% ft: 71.4% 3p: 16.7% Dahlen: 8.4 min, 0.9 pts, 1.3 rebs, 0.5 ast, 0.3 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.4 to, fg: 35.7% ft: 50.0% 3p: 0%
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Post by bigdankbeavs on Apr 10, 2017 10:12:52 GMT -8
God I hope this kid can prove me wrong but this seems to be right on the level of the Ronnie Stacy signing. Bizarre that we are giving a scholarship to a A-10 bench player who barely cracked the rotation on a bad team in a much weaker conference. I wasn't expecting any miracle additions this off-season but Tinkle has to do better than this.
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Post by alwaysorange on Apr 10, 2017 10:15:58 GMT -8
Does this transfer or the football transfer pertain to Nemec's comment about something exciting for beaver fans? Because I find it underwhelming
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 10, 2017 10:17:27 GMT -8
I'd say that they are quite a bit better. There's a huge difference between 47% and 36% from the field. As in, defenders have to take the 47% guy a lot more seriously and can't just sag on Drew every moment. 2.6 ppg doesn't sound like much, but projected to 30 minutes it's 9 ppg, which puts him in the same category as, say, Jarmal and Olaf. And, lord almighty, how we all would have loved to see Jarmal or Olaf on the floor this year!
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 10, 2017 11:11:41 GMT -8
I'd say that they are quite a bit better. There's a huge difference between 47% and 36% from the field. As in, defenders have to take the 47% guy a lot more seriously and can't just sag on Drew every moment. 2.6 ppg doesn't sound like much, but projected to 30 minutes it's 9 ppg, which puts him in the same category as, say, Jarmal and Olaf. And, lord almighty, how we all would have loved to see Jarmal or Olaf on the floor this year! However, if this kid is on the floor for 30 min per game we're in bigger trouble than we think.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 10, 2017 13:07:46 GMT -8
Would it be better if a walkon earned the scholarship? It would be better if WT could recruit outside of immediate family and not have to settle on Plan B's! The walk ons were not even decent D1 walk-ons. Malcolm was not an answer. This kid is not the answer... he's filler. So, my questions remain. Was he promised a scholly? Is WT still recruiting for a better big? If three years in and coming off 5-27 this is the recruit, especially the type of transfer, we're going to be in trouble. I am not going to pretend like I am well versed in basketball. I wrestled in high school, and largely spent my entire time making fun of those stupid pumpkin pushers. But I will say I usually think I have a good sense if a coach "has the stuff" in general terms. I also have a functional set of eyeballs and am not TOTALLY ignorant of basketball. I am willing to give WT a year. I am willing to let this year just be the disaster it was. He performed well in his other two years, and performed quite well at Montana. I do think we have a general talent gap... but I am not sure it is THAT bad. What I saw last year was far more dysfunction, effort and attitude than it was raw talent deficit. In my opinion, again qualified by the above... Where this team does lack, tremendously compared to the Pac, is a physical paint presence. We have no real big man, and Eubanks is not it. I think Eubanks is a good player, but he is not one of those guys that gets down and muscles around in the paint, dog fights for rebounds, and pushes people around. He can block, but he does not instill fear of a thunderous rejection from anybody driving the paint. He is a tweener. We need a big man. A real one. Even a Jarmal Reid type would be huge. Not so much being just tall, but big body in general, 250-260 or more type. a space eating guy that can hold his ground. That is a piece that can open the game up. We have role players on this team, that aren't being allowed to play their roles because we are missing a key one. We are just WAY too easy to defend. and on the other side, we have 5 guys that are so-so defenders and other teams can just kill us inside because we always have to try and help... which then opens up the uncontested outside shot and so on and so forth. long story short. Where's the beef? that turns this thing around man.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 10, 2017 13:19:08 GMT -8
Pumpkin pushers. LOL.
You don't wanna know what we (basketball players) called wrestlers.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 10, 2017 13:19:57 GMT -8
Pumpkin pushers. LOL. You don't wanna know what we (basketball players) called wrestlers. LBHPG??
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Post by seastape on Apr 10, 2017 17:07:07 GMT -8
It would be better if WT could recruit outside of immediate family and not have to settle on Plan B's! The walk ons were not even decent D1 walk-ons. Malcolm was not an answer. This kid is not the answer... he's filler. So, my questions remain. Was he promised a scholly? Is WT still recruiting for a better big? If three years in and coming off 5-27 this is the recruit, especially the type of transfer, we're going to be in trouble. I am not going to pretend like I am well versed in basketball. I wrestled in high school, and largely spent my entire time making fun of those stupid pumpkin pushers. But I will say I usually think I have a good sense if a coach "has the stuff" in general terms. I also have a functional set of eyeballs and am not TOTALLY ignorant of basketball. I am willing to give WT a year. I am willing to let this year just be the disaster it was. He performed well in his other two years, and performed quite well at Montana. I do think we have a general talent gap... but I am not sure it is THAT bad. What I saw last year was far more dysfunction, effort and attitude than it was raw talent deficit. In my opinion, again qualified by the above... Where this team does lack, tremendously compared to the Pac, is a physical paint presence. We have no real big man, and Eubanks is not it. I think Eubanks is a good player, but he is not one of those guys that gets down and muscles around in the paint, dog fights for rebounds, and pushes people around. He can block, but he does not instill fear of a thunderous rejection from anybody driving the paint. He is a tweener. We need a big man. A real one. Even a Jarmal Reid type would be huge. Not so much being just tall, but big body in general, 250-260 or more type. a space eating guy that can hold his ground. That is a piece that can open the game up. We have role players on this team, that aren't being allowed to play their roles because we are missing a key one. We are just WAY too easy to defend. and on the other side, we have 5 guys that are so-so defenders and other teams can just kill us inside because we always have to try and help... which then opens up the uncontested outside shot and so on and so forth. long story short. Where's the beef? that turns this thing around man. Let me get this straight...You're saying we need a big man. Eubanks is not it. Then, to bring up an example of who it is, you bring up Jarmal Reid, a type that "would be huge."
I'm not following you on this one.
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Post by gzrbvr on Apr 10, 2017 18:46:34 GMT -8
I am not going to pretend like I am well versed in basketball. I wrestled in high school, and largely spent my entire time making fun of those stupid pumpkin pushers. But I will say I usually think I have a good sense if a coach "has the stuff" in general terms. I also have a functional set of eyeballs and am not TOTALLY ignorant of basketball. I am willing to give WT a year. I am willing to let this year just be the disaster it was. He performed well in his other two years, and performed quite well at Montana. I do think we have a general talent gap... but I am not sure it is THAT bad. What I saw last year was far more dysfunction, effort and attitude than it was raw talent deficit. In my opinion, again qualified by the above... Where this team does lack, tremendously compared to the Pac, is a physical paint presence. We have no real big man, and Eubanks is not it. I think Eubanks is a good player, but he is not one of those guys that gets down and muscles around in the paint, dog fights for rebounds, and pushes people around. He can block, but he does not instill fear of a thunderous rejection from anybody driving the paint. He is a tweener. We need a big man. A real one. Even a Jarmal Reid type would be huge. Not so much being just tall, but big body in general, 250-260 or more type. a space eating guy that can hold his ground. That is a piece that can open the game up. We have role players on this team, that aren't being allowed to play their roles because we are missing a key one. We are just WAY too easy to defend. and on the other side, we have 5 guys that are so-so defenders and other teams can just kill us inside because we always have to try and help... which then opens up the uncontested outside shot and so on and so forth. long story short. Where's the beef? that turns this thing around man. Let me get this straight...You're saying we need a big man. Eubanks is not it. Then, to bring up an example of who it is, you bring up Jarmal Reid, a type that "would be huge."
I'm not following you on this one.
I think you tripped him up there.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 10, 2017 19:55:00 GMT -8
Let me get this straight...You're saying we need a big man. Eubanks is not it. Then, to bring up an example of who it is, you bring up Jarmal Reid, a type that "would be huge."
I'm not following you on this one.
I think you tripped him up there. Is that a pun? As in tripped up, like a ref?
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 10, 2017 20:51:51 GMT -8
Welcome Seth! Glad to have you join Beaver Nation! Don't mind the fact that everyone here seems to think you're a piece of crap, just go out and ball. Good luck!🍀
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Post by gzrbvr on Apr 10, 2017 21:40:02 GMT -8
I think you tripped him up there. Is that a pun? As in tripped up, like a ref? My grandchildren tell me that puns are a very low form of humor so I guess I just fell flat on this one.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2017 7:18:53 GMT -8
Pumpkin pushers. LOL. You don't wanna know what we (basketball players) called wrestlers. I know of one pretty inappropriate one... it rhymes with bat rags. they didn't say it often, because lets face it, we could all curb stomp their prissy little faces... but it was said. What a weird rivalry that was... High school was weird.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2017 7:27:48 GMT -8
I am not going to pretend like I am well versed in basketball. I wrestled in high school, and largely spent my entire time making fun of those stupid pumpkin pushers. But I will say I usually think I have a good sense if a coach "has the stuff" in general terms. I also have a functional set of eyeballs and am not TOTALLY ignorant of basketball. I am willing to give WT a year. I am willing to let this year just be the disaster it was. He performed well in his other two years, and performed quite well at Montana. I do think we have a general talent gap... but I am not sure it is THAT bad. What I saw last year was far more dysfunction, effort and attitude than it was raw talent deficit. In my opinion, again qualified by the above... Where this team does lack, tremendously compared to the Pac, is a physical paint presence. We have no real big man, and Eubanks is not it. I think Eubanks is a good player, but he is not one of those guys that gets down and muscles around in the paint, dog fights for rebounds, and pushes people around. He can block, but he does not instill fear of a thunderous rejection from anybody driving the paint. He is a tweener. We need a big man. A real one. Even a Jarmal Reid type would be huge. Not so much being just tall, but big body in general, 250-260 or more type. a space eating guy that can hold his ground. That is a piece that can open the game up. We have role players on this team, that aren't being allowed to play their roles because we are missing a key one. We are just WAY too easy to defend. and on the other side, we have 5 guys that are so-so defenders and other teams can just kill us inside because we always have to try and help... which then opens up the uncontested outside shot and so on and so forth. long story short. Where's the beef? that turns this thing around man. Let me get this straight...You're saying we need a big man. Eubanks is not it. Then, to bring up an example of who it is, you bring up Jarmal Reid, a type that "would be huge."
I'm not following you on this one.
I was trying to go for player TYPE. not necessarily body type, sorry I was blending ideas in my head as I typed. Reid wasn't really that big. But what he was, was pretty nasty (ref tripping excluded). Lets go with a better analogy. David Lucas. Again, not the tallest, but dense, ate space and FOUGHT in the paint. I am trying to convey the idea that it isn't just a tall dude in the middle we need. We have those!!! it is a type of person in the middle we need.
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