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Post by beavsteve on Apr 9, 2017 9:18:18 GMT -8
BennyBeav 👉 ᕦʕºωºʔᕤ Retweeted Seth Berger‏ @sethberger33 53m53 minutes ago Looking forward to starting next season with Oregon State Men's… BennyBeav 👉 ᕦʕºωºʔᕤ Retweeted A10 Talk UMass‏ @a10talkmass 25m25 minutes ago Seth Berger to transfer from Massachusetts to Oregon State ------------------------------- Not a big scorer. "Energy guy", strong on defense. Here is an article I found describing him.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 9, 2017 9:38:36 GMT -8
Originally a 3* recruit from Seattle WA.
Line this year per game: 10.2 min, 2.6 pts, 2.3 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.5 to, fg: 50.8% ft: 62.5% 3p: 21.1%
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 9, 2017 10:21:30 GMT -8
Originally a 3* recruit from Seattle WA. Line this year per game: 10.2 min, 2.6 pts, 2.3 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.5 to, fg: 50.8% ft: 62.5% 3p: 21.1% WT is not using up a scholly on a bench player from the A10... right?
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 9, 2017 11:36:43 GMT -8
It's only for one year. We don't have any seniors, anyway.
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 9, 2017 11:45:04 GMT -8
Originally a 3* recruit from Seattle WA. Line this year per game: 10.2 min, 2.6 pts, 2.3 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.5 to, fg: 50.8% ft: 62.5% 3p: 21.1% WT is not using up a scholly on a bench player from the A10... right? Would it be better if a walkon earned the scholarship?
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 9, 2017 12:07:42 GMT -8
. . . and they can earn it by being better than this kid. Which I doubt any of our current walk-ons are.
With zero seniors on the roster, Tinkle was happy to give a one-year deal to any kid that can contribute. I'm sure that this was Malcolm's slot, and when he moved on WT went with this kid as "Plan B". There's no sense letting a slot go to waste at this stage, but at this stage you don't want to invest a four-year schollie in a kid unless you are pretty sure he's better than the kid that you'll recruit next year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 9, 2017 12:27:02 GMT -8
WT is not using up a scholly on a bench player from the A10... right? Would it be better if a walkon earned the scholarship? It would be better if WT could recruit outside of immediate family and not have to settle on Plan B's! The walk ons were not even decent D1 walk-ons. Malcolm was not an answer. This kid is not the answer... he's filler. So, my questions remain. Was he promised a scholly? Is WT still recruiting for a better big? If three years in and coming off 5-27 this is the recruit, especially the type of transfer, we're going to be in trouble.
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Post by gotmilk on Apr 9, 2017 15:32:55 GMT -8
Would it be better if a walkon earned the scholarship? It would be better if WT could recruit outside of immediate family and not have to settle on Plan B's! The walk ons were not even decent D1 walk-ons. Malcolm was not an answer. This kid is not the answer... he's filler. So, my questions remain. Was he promised a scholly? Is WT still recruiting for a better big? If three years in and coming off 5-27 this is the recruit, especially the type of transfer, we're going to be in trouble. Yes it would be nice to have a coach that could A. coach the team he has. AND B. recruit to make the team better (outside of their own kids). We have not had that since Ralph Miller period. And it definitely appears we are heading the wrong direction. Last season was the absolute worst coaching job since Jay John's firing season. CR actually had glimpses of being able to coach but the more talent he had the worse he coached. Both WT and CR best coaching jobs came with left over talent.
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Post by blackbug on Apr 9, 2017 15:55:34 GMT -8
Would it be better if a walkon earned the scholarship? It would be better if WT could recruit outside of immediate family and not have to settle on Plan B's! The walk ons were not even decent D1 walk-ons. Malcolm was not an answer. This kid is not the answer... he's filler. So, my questions remain. Was he promised a scholly? Is WT still recruiting for a better big? If three years in and coming off 5-27 this is the recruit, especially the type of transfer, we're going to be in trouble. Every team has what you would call filler. So filler itself is not a bad thing. The important thing is to get the best quality filler you can which equals depth. Seth Berger represents just above average depth in college basketball in my opinion (was above average recruit in high school). He was among the 1st 4 off the bench on an average team. Him coming represents decent news, but it is not bad news. I cannot see how it would be deemed bad news. It could be better news, also (i.e. the top ranked transfer). Tinkle has 13 scholarships, by my estimate 9 on scholarship are returning. I am pretty sure none of the walkon 1 year scholarships will be renewed. These numbers depend on Eubanks and Thompson returning, which I would guess happens. I assume any transfer rumors are just rumors right now. I am assuming that Stacy is not losing a scholarship. I am also assuming N'Diaye is returning for a redshirt senior year. This leaves 4 open scholarships. With the 3 freshman recruits and the transfer, the scholarships are filled. The incoming talent represents a pretty good class for us, but not great. There is a 4 star recruit, 3 or 4 star, and 2 3 stars coming in. There is talent there, including Berger. The roster next year should have 3 centers, 4/5 forwards, and 5/6 guards. Not sure what you mean by recruiting a big other than you are assuming we are losing 1 of the 3 centers or we need to lose them. Finally, Tinkle has recruited measurably better than any coach we have had over the last 15 years. You can remove the 3 family recruits and the result is the same. Any service ranking recruiting shows Tinkle is performing better than any of the past 3 coaches, even without family connected recruits. It is difficult to compare farther in the past. So any disappointment in recruiting is either an expectation that Tinkle should recruit better than the ~30th ranked class every year, ignorance, or disappointment in the recruits performance. I think that complaining about recruiting of the current staff is barking up the wrong tree. The deficiencies (which are obviously there after a bad season) are elsewhere.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 9, 2017 16:44:00 GMT -8
It would be better if WT could recruit outside of immediate family and not have to settle on Plan B's! The walk ons were not even decent D1 walk-ons. Malcolm was not an answer. This kid is not the answer... he's filler. So, my questions remain. Was he promised a scholly? Is WT still recruiting for a better big? If three years in and coming off 5-27 this is the recruit, especially the type of transfer, we're going to be in trouble. Every team has what you would call filler. So filler itself is not a bad thing. The important thing is to get the best quality filler you can which equals depth. Seth Berger represents just above average depth in college basketball in my opinion (was above average recruit in high school). He was among the 1st 4 off the bench on an average team. Him coming represents decent news, but it is not bad news. I cannot see how it would be deemed bad news. It could be better news, also (i.e. the top ranked transfer). Tinkle has 13 scholarships, by my estimate 9 on scholarship are returning. I am pretty sure none of the walkon 1 year scholarships will be renewed. These numbers depend on Eubanks and Thompson returning, which I would guess happens. I assume any transfer rumors are just rumors right now. I am assuming that Stacy is not losing a scholarship. I am also assuming N'Diaye is returning for a redshirt senior year. This leaves 4 open scholarships. With the 3 freshman recruits and the transfer, the scholarships are filled.  The incoming talent represents a pretty good class for us, but not great. There is a 4 star recruit, 3 or 4 star, and 2  3 stars coming in. There is talent there, including Berger. The roster next year should have 3 centers, 4/5 forwards, and 5/6 guards. Not sure what you mean by recruiting a big other than you are assuming we are losing 1 of the 3 centers or we need to lose them. Finally, Tinkle has recruited measurably better than any coach we have had over the last 15 years. You can remove the 3 family recruits and the result is the same. Any service ranking recruiting shows Tinkle is performing better than any of the past 3 coaches, even without family connected recruits. It is difficult to compare farther in the past. So any disappointment in recruiting is either an expectation that Tinkle should recruit better than the ~30th ranked class every year, ignorance, or disappointment in the recruits performance. I think that complaining about recruiting of the current staff is barking up the wrong tree. The deficiencies (which are obviously there after a bad season) are elsewhere. Comparison "shopping" recruits is not an exact science by any means. But... this kid is a far below average (before seeing how he actually turns out) Pac12 "filler"... by any measure. The 3* out of HS tag is loooong since expired. He's played sparingly in a middling D1 conference... that is hus current status. As far as coaching/recruits CR far out recruited WT so far taking away family menbers. Just Roberto himself would outshine WT's other recruits. "Elsewhere" is the major problem, hence he best be getting better "fillers" than this.
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Post by blackbug on Apr 9, 2017 17:24:22 GMT -8
Comparison "shopping" recruits is not an exact science by any means. But... this kid is a far below average (before seeing how he actually turns out) Pac12 "filler"... by any measure. The 3* out of HS tag is loooong since expired. He's played sparingly in a middling D1 conference... that is hus current status. As far as coaching/recruits CR far out recruited WT so far taking away family menbers. Just Roberto himself would outshine WT's other recruits. "Elsewhere" is the major problem, hence he best be getting better "fillers" than this. It is depends what a person thinks, but I consider 1 of the first 4 off the bench on an average team in the NCAA as average or slightly above average. With this type of player I would be happy with 3 points and 2 rebounds per game which is where this player has been. In comparing Robinson and Tinkle in recruiting you are flat out wrong and if you looked at it you would see that. Here is an analysis for you: Tinkle has recruited 16 players here thus far. The 3 related recruits makes very little difference in the statistics when you realize it represents less than fifth of the total recruits. There are a lot of ways to measure this and compare. The following are a few. Even though the 2017 class is not finished in recruiting I used it in comparison. The 247sports average ranking for each recruit under Tinkle is 0.8923 and under Robinson it was 0.8582. The ranking of each class for Tinkle has averaged 37th and for Robinson 74th. Tinkle has more 4 star recruits in less years even if you subtract relation recruits. Tinkle has more top 100 recruits even if you subtract out family. The average is 3.2 stars for Tinkle on 247sports and 2.5 for Robinson. As I stated earlier others have it closer to 3.5 and 3. In the past I thought 1 key indicator would be that Robinson average more recruits per class as this team this past year really suffered from depth issues, but Tinkle is even slightly ahead in recruits per class. Now the big question is busts in recruiting. This one is difficult to measure in an unbiased way. I did the best I could and found that they both average about 1.5 busts per class. I used criteria such as suspensions, academic ineligibility, never setting foot on campus, sitting the bench, and transferring in increments of 1 or a 0.5 depending on how much contribution before and after problems. Let me repeat I liked Robinson as a recruiter. I think Robinson did some great things in improving the quality of athletes on the team. I just think we are barking up the wrong tree if we think recruiting caused the issues of this past year, unless you want to point to Robinson’s last 2 classes which provided very little after Payton. There is a giant hole of upperclassmen leadership as Payton came is as an upperclassman and N’Diaye and Duvivier were the only ones this year. All the others had no experience with the team. Think about that there was not a single upperclassmen that had been developed in the program after Duvivier left and N’Diaye was injured!
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 9, 2017 19:14:43 GMT -8
Comparison "shopping" recruits is not an exact science by any means. But... this kid is a far below average (before seeing how he actually turns out) Pac12 "filler"... by any measure. The 3* out of HS tag is loooong since expired. He's played sparingly in a middling D1 conference... that is hus current status. As far as coaching/recruits CR far out recruited WT so far taking away family menbers. Just Roberto himself would outshine WT's other recruits. "Elsewhere" is the major problem, hence he best be getting better "fillers" than this. It is depends what a person thinks, but I consider 1 of the first 4 off the bench on an average team in the NCAA as average or slightly above average. With this type of player I would be happy with 3 points and 2 rebounds per game which is where this player has been. In comparing Robinson and Tinkle in recruiting you are flat out wrong and if you looked at it you would see that. Here is an analysis for you: Tinkle has recruited 16 players here thus far. The 3 related recruits makes very little difference in the statistics when you realize it represents less than fifth of the total recruits. There are a lot of ways to measure this and compare. The following are a few. Even though the 2017 class is not finished in recruiting I used it in comparison. The 247sports average ranking for each recruit under Tinkle is 0.8923 and under Robinson it was 0.8582. The ranking of each class for Tinkle has averaged 37th and for Robinson 74th. Tinkle has more 4 star recruits in less years even if you subtract relation recruits. Tinkle has more top 100 recruits even if you subtract out family. The average is 3.2 stars for Tinkle on 247sports and 2.5 for Robinson. As I stated earlier others have it closer to 3.5 and 3. In the past I thought 1 key indicator would be that Robinson average more recruits per class as this team this past year really suffered from depth issues, but Tinkle is even slightly ahead in recruits per class. Now the big question is busts in recruiting. This one is difficult to measure in an unbiased way. I did the best I could and found that they both average about 1.5 busts per class. I used criteria such as suspensions, academic ineligibility, never setting foot on campus, sitting the bench, and transferring in increments of 1 or a 0.5 depending on how much contribution before and after problems. Let me repeat I liked Robinson as a recruiter. I think Robinson did some great things in improving the quality of athletes on the team. I just think we are barking up the wrong tree if we think recruiting caused the issues of this past year, unless you want to point to Robinson’s last 2 classes which provided very little after Payton. There is a giant hole of upperclassmen leadership as Payton came is as an upperclassman and N’Diaye and Duvivier were the only ones this year. All the others had no experience with the team. Think about that there was not a single upperclassmen that had been developed in the program after Duvivier left and N’Diaye was injured! Wrong only if you use inane ratings of sites like 247sports... and he's not landed 16 recruits... yet. So let's talk players here or still here versus kids who played under CR and, their actual production. Either the 2.5 vs 3.2 stars is a farce? CR was a better coach than WT? Because CR's lower star kids have outplayed WT's who were not family or "busts". I'd take guys like Devon, Joe, Olaf, Roland in a heart beat right now... and they were coachable by a supposedly poor coach. Even Victor wasn't a bust on the court and gave us much more than let's say Dew! And, really without CR's recruit of GPII sticking with Dad's alma mater WT is not riding the coattails of a tourney. We'll just agree to disagree. But, saying this kid is an "ok" recruit for this regime because he's better than our walk-ons... because he was the 4th guy off the bench for a 15-18/5-15 team that was 12th in the A10 (substantially weaker league)... is not really a compliment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:15:44 GMT -8
Could we have used Berger last year? Heck yeah - Dahlen started 10 games and averaged 10 mpg
Hopefully this isn't the last addition to the roster. But to get a seasoned player who can give us some height and energy off the bench for 1 year? I'm sure he'll contribute more than Keondre Dew did!
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 9, 2017 22:27:30 GMT -8
Could we have used Berger last year? Heck yeah - Dahlen started 10 games and averaged 10 mpgHopefully this isn't the last addition to the roster. But to get a seasoned player who can give us some height and energy off the bench for 1 year? I'm sure he'll contribute more than Keondre Dew did! And their stats are damn close, but Dahlen played in much tougher league... Berger: 10.2 min, 2.6 pts, 2.3 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.5 to, fg: 50.8% ft: 62.5% 3p: 21.1% Dahlen: 10.4 min, 1.5pts, 1.9 rebs, 0.6 ast, 0.3 stl, 0.1 blk, 0.7 to, fg: 50.0% ft: 50.0% 3p: 0% For whatever it's worth... there is no way Berger can miss layins as badly as Dahlen did!
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Post by justdamwin on Apr 10, 2017 6:50:19 GMT -8
Could we have used Berger last year? Heck yeah - Dahlen started 10 games and averaged 10 mpgHopefully this isn't the last addition to the roster. But to get a seasoned player who can give us some height and energy off the bench for 1 year? I'm sure he'll contribute more than Keondre Dew did! And their stats are damn close, but Dahlen played in much tougher league... Berger: 10.2 min, 2.6 pts, 2.3 rebs, 0.3 ast, 0.5 stl, 0.2 blk, 0.5 to, fg: 50.8% ft: 62.5% 3p: 21.1% Dahlen: 10.4 min, 1.5pts, 1.9 rebs, 0.6 ast, 0.3 stl, 0.1 blk, 0.7 to, fg: 50.0% ft: 50.0% 3p: 0% For whatever it's worth... there is no way Berger can miss layins as badly as Dahlen did! I don't care if he can score, can he guard a Pac 12 SF? Can he play a zone with any level of competency? After watching wings for OS play, hope Drew will block the shot defense, defense is all I care about. If Big G can continue to develop offensively and a point guard can initiate the offense, there will be scoring. Beavers defense, that needs to get better, much better.
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