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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 31, 2017 16:55:57 GMT -8
I'm gonna play total devil's advocate here and probably take a lot of s%#t for it but here goes. I have a hard time blaming duck fans for not turning out to baseball games the way OSU fans do for the Beavers. Yes, they are bandwagon fans, but so are most fans of pretty much all teams. Their baseball teams have been pretty okay, and as much as I hate to say it this year's has been under the radar and appears to be a threat. But they have generally underachieved, at least based on Horton's boasts and high preseason expectations some seasons. They've proven what we've said all along, that Phil's money alone can't buy a national championship baseball team. Even with a solid team, fans get impatient and disinterested. Thing is, there are also other sports to draw in duck fans. The same time of year as baseball they also have a top 5 softball team the last few years, plus arguably the country's top track and field program. Where OSU is still growing a facility, their track & field support is phenomenal. I know they have a storied program historically but in the modern era their rise in track has been relatively recent. I don't talk to many Beaver fans that care about track & field or cross country which I find kind of ironic considering OSU's strong history in those sports. I guess all I mean is that, in a sense, while we are known for baseball, they have their track. I've had a had time finding attendance numbers but it looks like they get something like 3000-6000 spectators for regular meets. But who cares, right? The priority as a Beaver fan on a baseball forum is to trash talk about our baseball team vs. theirs, which we rightfully can and should do. So why am I saying all this? Because it shows how amazing the baseball product is at OSU. The team is consistently good every year. Coach Casey and his program's reputation is as good as anyone else in the country right now. Facilities keep getting better and better. And accordingly, attendance has been good to great in a conference that has embarrassingly low averages considering its strength and history, at least compared to SEC and other warmer weather schools. All this in a region that was never supposed to be able to support a top baseball program due to local talent, recruiting, and practice/game opportunity. And there may not be another NC yet, but it's been sustained over 10 years and appears to be as strong as ever. That other squad began out of envy and road our coattails. They only get to compete in a division with the California and Arizona programs because of OSU's accomplishments. They never earned the cockiness displayed by their head coach. I guess I have a lot more I'd rather pick on than attendance. Your last paragraph identifies the difference between what your first two say, and what this thread is about: OSU didn't start a track program, and ramble on about how it was going to pay for itself, cut another program to do it, hire a high-profile coach who also crowed about how great he was, etc Certainly, the boasts of PK, whoreton, and butterstick should be ridiculed when they're proven what we all believed when they made their bold predictions. Tsdr track gets nowhere near 6000 for regular season track meets. This season they have no "regular season" meets at all. So their attendance is officially zero.
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Post by eugenedave on Mar 31, 2017 22:53:35 GMT -8
PK Park is a surprisingly nice place to watch a game, considering it's in a parking lot. It is a nice park, but it was also designed to serve the Single A Emeralds pro team, and they draw a lot better. Ever been to a game at PK? They run it like it was single A ball with the Em's. Stupid crap going on in the infield between innings, or the ridiculous technochicken strutting its stuff on the scoreboard. I guess they fear hole fans might fall asleep or need to be constantly entertained. I find it amateurish at best. And I get damned tired of the duck quack every time an opposing pitcher throws back to first base.
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Post by beavs6 on Apr 1, 2017 3:32:14 GMT -8
Your last paragraph identifies the difference between what your first two say, and what this thread is about: OSU didn't start a track program, and ramble on about how it was going to pay for itself, cut another program to do it, hire a high-profile coach who also crowed about how great he was, etc Certainly, the boasts of PK, whoreton, and butterstick should be ridiculed when they're proven what we all believed when they made their bold predictions. Tsdr track gets nowhere near 6000 for regular season track meets. This season they have no "regular season" meets at all. So their attendance is officially zero. Well, we can debate the definition of what a regular season meet is. Track in Eugene does get 1000's of spectators per meet.(more people than Goss holds) Many of their meets are HS, college, and invite combinations.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 1, 2017 5:35:07 GMT -8
Tsdr track gets nowhere near 6000 for regular season track meets. This season they have no "regular season" meets at all. So their attendance is officially zero. Well, we can debate the definition of what a regular season meet is. Track in Eugene does get 1000's of spectators per meet.(more people than Goss holds) Many of their meets are HS, college, and invite combinations. Goss Stadium at Coleman Field capacity is 3,248. Please tell me the last üø track meet to draw in excess of that number. You should have some non-anecdotal facts to support your premise.
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Post by bennyskid on Apr 1, 2017 6:48:13 GMT -8
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Post by beavs6 on Apr 1, 2017 7:48:09 GMT -8
Well, we can debate the definition of what a regular season meet is. Track in Eugene does get 1000's of spectators per meet.(more people than Goss holds) Many of their meets are HS, college, and invite combinations. Goss Stadium at Coleman Field capacity is 3,248. Please tell me the last üø track meet to draw in excess of that number. You should have some non-anecdotal facts to support your premise. Squonk, I like the majority of what you bring to the board...especially the insights and information regarding the women's programs. How many times is Goss full?(just this year alone) I admitted it depends on the definition of what a meet is, because the traditional dual meet in Eugene IS all but dead. I can't find any official attendance #'s...maybe because they don't exist...more likely because my search skills are poor. What I can find is reference/articles that state the meets being half full...lately. Better attended in the past. Half full in a venue that has capacity over 10,000 is still more than a full capicity 3,248. References Hayward's official capcity
References "Hayward Field — based on a five-year average — operates at less than 60 percent seating capacity for its regular track meets"
There are many ways to poke holes in all of this. Less track meets than baseball games means that fan interest should drive more spectators. On a % of capacity to available seats, Goss wins hands down. If you take the true # of fannies in seats, track meets in Eugene will outnumber baseball games in Corvallis. To answer which last uo track meet had attendance greater than 3248, I guess I would ask which meet you are referring to, or answer all of them. There has not been an outdoor meet in Eugene in 2017. The list of meets at Hayward in 2016, going backward were...US Olympic Trials, NCAA Championships, Oregon Twilight, and Oregon Relays. All of those meets had attendance greater than 3248. (No, I do not have internet proof to link to. We are track snobs and attended all of these meets. There were more than 4,000 people there.)
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 1, 2017 8:24:03 GMT -8
Goss Stadium at Coleman Field capacity is 3,248. Please tell me the last üø track meet to draw in excess of that number. You should have some non-anecdotal facts to support your premise. Squonk, I like the majority of what you bring to the board...especially the insights and information regarding the women's programs. How many times is Goss full?(just this year alone) I admitted it depends on the definition of what a meet is, because the traditional dual meet in Eugene IS all but dead. I can't find any official attendance #'s...maybe because they don't exist...more likely because my search skills are poor. What I can find is reference/articles that state the meets being half full...lately. Better attended in the past. Half full in a venue that has capacity over 10,000 is still more than a full capicity 3,248. References Hayward's official capcity
References "Hayward Field — based on a five-year average — operates at less than 60 percent seating capacity for its regular track meets"
There are many ways to poke holes in all of this. Less track meets than baseball games means that fan interest should drive more spectators. On a % of capacity to available seats, Goss wins hands down. If you take the true # of fannies in seats, track meets in Eugene will outnumber baseball games in Corvallis. To answer which last uo track meet had attendance greater than 3248, I guess I would ask which meet you are referring to, or answer all of them. There has not been an outdoor meet in Eugene in 2017. The list of meets at Hayward in 2016, going backward were...US Olympic Trials, NCAA Championships, Oregon Twilight, and Oregon Relays. All of those meets had attendance greater than 3248. (No, I do not have internet proof to link to. We are track snobs and attended all of these meets. There were more than 4,000 people there.) Olympic Trials, NCAA meet, Oregon Relays (dozens of regional teams, mostly friends & families) are not "Oregon track meets". the percentage of Oregon track fans at those meets is very likely something well below 50%. Although that's admittedly only an informed guess on my part. I grew up down there and attended many many meets in Hayward (before I saw the error of my ways and cast aside all foolish green and yellow things). From the moment I set foot in Corvallis I never looked back. Not trying to create a flame war here. But I don't think UO track attendance is a significant factor in üø's underperforming baseball's attendance.
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Post by beavs6 on Apr 1, 2017 9:54:08 GMT -8
I see the thread connecting baseball/wrestling/track at the two schools. I agree on what makes up a "meet" at uo is debateable.(I think I mentioned as much). I also agree that horton baseball is unwatchable, hence their low attendance figures.
I wish the school that had an innovator like Dick Fosbury still had Men's Track. Purely for selfish reasons.
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