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Post by ocbeav on Mar 28, 2017 7:18:06 GMT -8
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Post by nabeav on Mar 28, 2017 7:33:31 GMT -8
I'm not TOO concerned....the new rules make it easier for a kid to decide to return, and I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play in the NBA. Unless he really hates going to class and would rather ride buses in the D-League for a few years, I'd expect him to be back next season.
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Post by lebaneaver on Mar 28, 2017 7:43:21 GMT -8
A Facebook feed said the same of STJ. If so, BOTH of them are getting bad advice. As long as neither hires an agent, they'll be legal. Trying to wrap my head around it. Are things "that bad" with the program? Hey....we're the new Kentucky! Two and flew (away). I AM concerned. Oh well...
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Post by bbfan on Mar 28, 2017 7:50:57 GMT -8
This is the new cool thing to do. Both will be back
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Post by fumblerooski on Mar 28, 2017 8:06:30 GMT -8
This is nothing to be concerned about. With the new rules, they are just testing the waters to see where their draft stock would be. It's similar to football players submitting paperwork to see what their draft grade is.
Declaring for the draft doesn't mean anything until you hire an agent. As long as they don't hire an agent then I expect they'll both be back.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 28, 2017 8:28:18 GMT -8
As long as they do not hire agents, they are fine. Neither Eubanks or STJ will hire an agent. Basically they are going to get evaluated, get feedback on what they need to do for an NBA future. It is pretty doubtful either of them will receive a high grade right now. In all likely hood both will be back. Tinkle indicated being support of it, because I think he knows the reality. Kids are going to hear it from several 3rd party people what they need to do to get better. This can be an advantage for Oregon State if they comeback with some renewed intensity and direction as well. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 28, 2017 8:37:26 GMT -8
When Drew's draft grade comes back with: Slovakia, Estonia, Kuwait... - that's his cue to "come back" to school for more work.
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Post by jdogge on Mar 28, 2017 8:44:31 GMT -8
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Post by nabeav on Mar 28, 2017 8:52:24 GMT -8
The whole system is out of whack. NBA talent evaluators at the combines now have a bunch of kids they have no intention of drafting running around out there with the guys they really need to see. These kids get advice on what they need to do to improve their draft stock, but what if that advice runs contrary to what their college team needs them to do? What if the scouts tell Eubanks he needs to improve his range, and he spends all next season hovering around the three point line instead of banging down low where we need him? What if they tell Stevie they need to see more playmaking out of him, and he becomes our primary ball handler, shoving Jaquori to more of a shooting guard role where neither are at their most effective? I get why it's good for the kids, don't get me wrong. The goal here is to make money playing basketball, I get that. And there is the possibility that hearing you have a shot at getting drafted one or two years from now could potentially make a kid that much more hungry and spend more time in the weight room/gym...so there are some positives too.
I just don't like ambiguity, and that's what this process gives you.
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Post by bill82 on Mar 28, 2017 9:45:38 GMT -8
Here is their company courtesy of hooprumors.com:
Deng Adel, F, Louisville (sophomore)
Jarrett Allen, C, Texas (freshman)
Dwayne Bacon, SF, Florida State (sophomore)
Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA (freshman)
Khadeen Carrington, SG, Seton Hall (junior)
Jeffrey Carroll, G/F, Oklahoma State (junior)
John Collins, PF, Wake Forest (sophomore)
Angel Delgado, PF, Seton Hall (junior)
Jon Elmore, SG, Marshall (junior)
Jawun Evans, PG, Oklahoma State (sophomore)
Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington (freshman)
Jonathan Isaac, SF, Florida State (freshman)
B.J. Johnson, SF, La Salle (junior)
Jaylen Johnson, PF, Louisville (junior)
Kerem Kanter, PF, Green Bay (junior)
Marcus Keene, PG, Central Michigan (junior)
Kyle Kuzma, PF, Utah (junior)
Tyler Lydon, F, Syracuse (sophomore)
Eric Mika, F/C, BYU (sophomore)
Donovan Mitchell, SG, Louisville (sophomore)
Austin Nichols, PF, Virginia (junior)
Semi Ojeleye, SF, SMU (junior)
Cameron Oliver, PF, Nevada (sophomore)
L.J. Peak, SF, Georgetown (junior)
Ivan Rabb, PF, California (sophomore)
Xavier Rathan-Mayes, G, Florida State (junior)
Corey Sanders, PG, Rutgers (sophomore)
Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke (freshman)
Trevor Thompson, C, Ohio State (junior)
Thomas Wilder, G, Western Michigan (junior)
Omer Yurtseven, C, North Carolina State (freshman)
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Post by fumblerooski on Mar 28, 2017 10:31:04 GMT -8
Some of the negativity online about this is unreal. There are so many negative "what if" scenarios being thrown around. Maybe because we're all beaver fans we're conditioned to immediately expect the worst but what if Drew is given the feedback that he needs to work on defensive positioning, improve his rebounding and start making plays based off of skill and not just his athletic ability because once you get to the NBA, everyone is as athletic or more athletic than you.
If these guys get feedback that they need to work on areas of their game that wont benefit this OSU team next year then it's on WT to coach these guys and get them to play within our system to help our team. The catastrophe that was this year aside, I think we have the right coach to handle that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 28, 2017 11:03:04 GMT -8
Some of the negativity online about this is unreal. There are so many negative "what if" scenarios being thrown around. Maybe because we're all beaver fans we're conditioned to immediately expect the worst but what if Drew is given the feedback that he needs to work on defensive positioning, improve his rebounding and start making plays based off of skill and not just his athletic ability because once you get to the NBA, everyone is as athletic or more athletic than you. If these guys get feedback that they need to work on areas of their game that wont benefit this OSU team next year then it's on WT to coach these guys and get them to play within our system to help our team. The catastrophe that was this year aside, I think we have the right coach to handle that. The only true negative that CAN and has happened (Calipari has talked on this a few times) is that the kid becomes so entrenched in what the "scouts" say (they have no obligation to think of the team and its development) that they start listening to outsiders and not their coach. It becomes all about their future and not the current team. There is plenty of ways to get unbiased feedback from other camps and coaches. IMHO any connection to the NBA before you actually are ready to declare is a mistake in terms of what it can lead to. Neither of these two are even temotely close to that. And, WT basically has his hands tied. What else would he say publicly. He may be ok with it, he may not, but he's going to publicly support it either way. |
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Post by fumblerooski on Mar 28, 2017 11:34:20 GMT -8
Some of the negativity online about this is unreal. There are so many negative "what if" scenarios being thrown around. Maybe because we're all beaver fans we're conditioned to immediately expect the worst but what if Drew is given the feedback that he needs to work on defensive positioning, improve his rebounding and start making plays based off of skill and not just his athletic ability because once you get to the NBA, everyone is as athletic or more athletic than you. If these guys get feedback that they need to work on areas of their game that wont benefit this OSU team next year then it's on WT to coach these guys and get them to play within our system to help our team. The catastrophe that was this year aside, I think we have the right coach to handle that. The only true negative that CAN and has happened (Calipari has talked on this a few times) is that the kid becomes so entrenched in what the "scouts" say (they have no obligation to think of the team and its development) that they start listening to outsiders and not their coach. It becomes all about their future and not the current team. There is plenty of ways to get unbiased feedback from other camps and coaches. IMHO any connection to the NBA before you actually are ready to declare is a mistake in terms of what it can lead to. Neither of these two are even temotely close to that. And, WT basically has his hands tied. What else would he say publicly. He may be ok with it, he may not, but he's going to publicly support it either way. I understand that point and agree with it to some extent. That seems like a problem that would occur more at the Kentuckys of the college basketball world. Meaning these guys come in as 5 stars and have been told since they were 12 that they're a lock for the NBA so their mentality is probably different than Drew's. I have a hard time imagining that will be a problem with our two guys. So I can see the downside of this for some players and some colleges but I also think it can be a huge benefit for others. Like many things in life, you can't please all the people all the time. |
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 28, 2017 11:45:42 GMT -8
I wish basketball would follow suit with football and baseball.
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 28, 2017 13:23:38 GMT -8
Both will be back.
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