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Post by jwilly on Mar 15, 2017 18:13:55 GMT -8
It seems that the only meaningful "LOB" stat would be what percentage of men who reach base are left on base. FWIW, Ball State last week had very few men left on base. This is a good point, if you have 8 Lob and score 1 run that's a pretty crappy game. However if you have 8 lob and score 8, I'd say that's an effective game. Ball st series: 18 runs/ 44 lob for a 29% success rate (home runs were taken out of runs scored, for the batter only) Uc Davis series 21 runs/ 21 Lob for a 50% success rate. By comparison, both opponents had a 22% rate. These numbers do not factor in CS or DP's What does this all mean?  That I had 10 minutes of quiet time without a child crying and I spent it running meaningless numbers. It intrigued me regardless. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 15, 2017 18:25:08 GMT -8
according to Fangraph LOB% is a pitcher and defensive stat.it speaks more to a pitcher being able to strike batters out and how well the defense plays (double plays, pick offs, defensive range to cut down hits). Left on Base Percentage (LOB%) measures the percentage of base runners that a pitcher strands on base over the course of a season. This stat does not use the left on base numbers reported in box scores, but instead is calculated using a pitcher’s actual hits, walks, and runs allowed results:LOB% = (H+BB+HBP-R)/(H+BB+HBP-(1.4*HR)). Pitchers that record a high numbers of strikeouts can pitch their way out of jams more easily than pitchers that rely upon their team’s defense, so they are able to maintain LOB%s higher than league average.
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Post by beavs6 on Mar 15, 2017 18:39:06 GMT -8
However, the topic wasn't a comparison of team vs opponents and good teams leaving more LOB. Which really has no correlation as one is an offensive stat, and needs to be looked at in terms of runs scored and efficiency. Where the opponent LOB is a defensive stat that is a factor of your pitching/defense. The original topic was OSU is leaving too many (I'm of the opinion that 11 per game vs a Ball St team is a tad too many) as of late and needs to improve as we move into league play/better competition. Funny. I thought the original topic was, in E's opinion, how much Madrigal has improved and how good of a baseball player he is. Oh, and GT article talking about Cary and Rasmussen. I'm sure I'm lost due to poor reading comprehenssion. |
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 15, 2017 19:00:32 GMT -8
So where are we currently this year on this stat? Is it comparable to teams that won the championship?
Through the first 15 games of the season, OSU has 8.0 LOB per game while the opponents have recorded 6.6 LOB per game. The average for OSU since 2002 is 8.6 LOB per game and opponents 7.5 LOB per game. OSU had LOB of 9.1 in the 2006 championship year while LOB was 8.5 in the 2007 championship year.
The current LOB for OSU is below the LOB for the championship teams and below the long-term average for OSU.
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 16, 2017 5:04:22 GMT -8
majors have just about given up on small ball. Steals are way down. No one but NL pitchers bunt any more. I swear, score tied, bottom of 9th, lead off double, and no one thinks to sac him to 3rd.
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 16, 2017 5:08:15 GMT -8
I don't mind LOB per se. LOB means you are getting guys on. It is how you leave them. Extreme example: you get a guy on 3rd, no one out and you leave him. Get on guy on 1st with two out and you leave him. Same quantity of LOB but one is a terrible circumstance.
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Post by kersting13 on Mar 16, 2017 6:34:04 GMT -8
majors have just about given up on small ball. Steals are way down. No one but NL pitchers bunt any more. I swear, score tied, bottom of 9th, lead off double, and no one thinks to sac him to 3rd. Majors have given up on a lot of things: cutting down on your swing at any time - including when there's a man at 3rd and less than two outs, allowing any relief pitcher to pitch more than 1 inning, allowing a starting pitcher to pitch the 8th or 9th - even when he's cruising and has thrown fewer than 100 pitches. The games are simultaneously over-managed, and under-managed. |
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 16, 2017 11:16:07 GMT -8
Moaning about LOB directly relates to a failure to fully grasp (intellectually and emotionally) the fact that the very best batters fail to hit 2 out of every 3 attempts, or even fail to reach base 6 out of every 10 times. From another perspective, it's the pitchers JOB to get batters out, and many do it well. Thank goodness this isn't football, where a QB is expected to complete 60 to 70% of pass attempts, or he's a bum.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 16, 2017 11:27:10 GMT -8
Moaning about LOB directly relates to a failure to fully grasp (intellectually and emotionally) the fact that the very best batters fail to hit 2 out of every 3 attempts, or even fail to reach base 6 out of every 10 times. From another perspective, it's the pitchers JOB to get batters out, and many do it well. Thank goodness this isn't football, where a QB is expected to complete 60 to 70% of pass attempts, or he's a bum. Fortunately a player does not have to "hit safely" for runners to be plated. There are many ways that advancing and scoring runners happen without a hit. |
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 16, 2017 13:23:28 GMT -8
Moaning about LOB directly relates to a failure to fully grasp (intellectually and emotionally) the fact that the very best batters fail to hit 2 out of every 3 attempts, or even fail to reach base 6 out of every 10 times. From another perspective, it's the pitchers JOB to get batters out, and many do it well. Thank goodness this isn't football, where a QB is expected to complete 60 to 70% of pass attempts, or he's a bum. Fortunately a player does not have to "hit safely" for runners to be plated. There are many ways that advancing and scoring runners happen without a hit. Yep. And exactly what Coach Casey is losing weight over. The other thing that has bothered Casey(and this gets him more upset than all other things combined) is the missed sign or miscommunication on the hit-and-run. This has happened more times this season already than I remember in previous seasons. Also, the missed/botched bunts this season have a special place in the Casey ulcer collection. LOB can definitely be a misleading stat. Zero doubt. But Casey says in every interview that the RISP item is of major concern, so I become concerned. |
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That I had 10 minutes of quiet time without a child crying and I spent it running meaningless numbers. It intrigued me regardless.
