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Post by frogsnouts on Mar 7, 2017 14:56:27 GMT -8
I'd like you to shut the hell up already. We really don't care. We are Beaver fans here. It is our prerogative to view our rival coach in any light we want, hyperbole or not, fair or not. this is a zero sum game. You are not going to change minds here. I get viewing opposing coaches and players negatively, thats just the nature of the game. Making things up and creating narratives that simply don't exist, and trying to back those up as true when they are challenged, is another story. I defended my statements, if you still choose to believe that Altman knowingly played rapists, even "hiding" their crimes so that he could use them to win basketball games, I really don't have anything for you. I'll bet I changed one or two minds on the Dotson/Artis case (more than likely just because they weren't up to date on the info, which is certainly fair). You can believe that they were rapists all you want, but Altman certainly didn't play them a second longer than he should've.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 7, 2017 15:59:01 GMT -8
I'd like you to shut the hell up already. We really don't care. We are Beaver fans here. It is our prerogative to view our rival coach in any light we want, hyperbole or not, fair or not. this is a zero sum game. You are not going to change minds here. I get viewing opposing coaches and players negatively, thats just the nature of the game. Making things up and creating narratives that simply don't exist, and trying to back those up as true when they are challenged, is another story. I defended my statements, if you still choose to believe that Altman knowingly played rapists, even "hiding" their crimes so that he could use them to win basketball games, I really don't have anything for you. I'll bet I changed one or two minds on the Dotson/Artis case (more than likely just because they weren't up to date on the info, which is certainly fair). You can believe that they were rapists all you want, but Altman certainly didn't play them a second longer than he should've. Ya dismissed from team/school cuz there was nothing to see... and later the police dept in that fair city took heat for just that "advice" as the players being suspended has ZERO to do with the investigation. Suspensions pending investigations for such crimes... including battery, assualt, even robbery happen regularly. You only have to look at your own football program for such suspensions while the investigation was completed. And so, DA surely didn't play them too long for the man he is! Most men of integrity would not have. There could have been a jillion reasons given publicly. You're quite the loser to troll a rival board and make this topic your calling card! Lol
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 7, 2017 16:52:10 GMT -8
Not to mention some well publicized "behavior" at a previous school that Altman lied about knowing, when it was totally refuted by their former coach saying he completely informed the Oregon coach of all the transgressions. Also DAs civil case/responsibility that either was settled privately or has yet to come to court. Either way it caused quite the stir whether school/state paid counsel should be able to defend him. DA is a liar and a win at all cost type... at least Chip just cheated and did not help create additional opportunities for rapists to turn a young woman's life into a nightmare. But, then again all this was well publicized... repeatedly... so just your defense of him shows the level of your moral integrity. The more you know: collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2014/05/07/oregon-was-aware-of-rape-allegations-march-9th-told-by-police-not-to-take-action/ Not to mention Dotson and Artis are not rapists, because ya know, that would require the police to have found evidence and filed charges. In fact the players later sued the school because the situation was handled so poorly on their behalf. There was no crime involving Artis and Dotson, nor Brandon Austin while at UO. So now that we have all learned a bit today, I'd like to know what other criminals Altman has played while at UO. Time for you to learn some more.... It's all find and dandy that you link a report referencing Gottfredson and crew stating the police told them to continue playing, and not suspend, the players. What you didn't link was the report on KEZI stating the police stated that wasn't true. They told the University not to interfere with their investigation, not to continue playing the players. At that point, the University made it's own decision to continue playing the players. The ducks have had a history of continuing to play players who were under the cloud of investigation, this most recent season, Carrington? There used to be a day that kids were told to keep their nose clean if they wanted to play. These days not so much.
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Post by frogsnouts on Mar 7, 2017 18:22:57 GMT -8
Time for you to learn some more.... It's all find and dandy that you link a report referencing Gottfredson and crew stating the police told them to continue playing, and not suspend, the players. What you didn't link was the report on KEZI stating the police stated that wasn't true. They told the University not to interfere with their investigation, not to continue playing the players. At that point, the University made it's own decision to continue playing the players. The ducks have had a history of continuing to play players who were under the cloud of investigation, this most recent season, Carrington? There used to be a day that kids were told to keep their nose clean if they wanted to play. These days not so much. A link and real information and didn't just resort to calling someone a troll when they provided differing views. I like you. I'll admit, that's a report that I haven't seen before and it definitely casts some grey area onto the case. Towards the end the Eugene police straight up admit that it's a "he said, she said" matter. Personally, I don't think Gottfredson would have allowed them to play the players given his reactions later on. That guy received a lot of criticism for his words towards the players who hadn't committed any crimes, and I have a hard time believing he would've allowed them to play without word from the police telling them not to get involved. Also, it sounded like Mullens, Altman, and the rest of the athletic staff never even knew the names of who was involved, just that someone was under investigation. Again, it's all "he said, she said" at this point, we'll never really know what happened behind the scenes. I'll add some insight into Carrington. He's not the most upstanding person you'll ever meet (though overall pretty good natured in most circumstances). I actually witnessed the lead up to his arm breaking fiasco and felt that both sides were equally at fault. Not sure if he deserved punishment or not for that instance, but it was certainly not a one sided affair. It takes two to tango?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 7, 2017 19:09:28 GMT -8
LMAO... "the more you know"!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 20:05:33 GMT -8
Time for you to learn some more.... It's all find and dandy that you link a report referencing Gottfredson and crew stating the police told them to continue playing, and not suspend, the players. What you didn't link was the report on KEZI stating the police stated that wasn't true. They told the University not to interfere with their investigation, not to continue playing the players. At that point, the University made it's own decision to continue playing the players. The ducks have had a history of continuing to play players who were under the cloud of investigation, this most recent season, Carrington? There used to be a day that kids were told to keep their nose clean if they wanted to play. These days not so much. A link and real information and didn't just resort to calling someone a troll when they provided differing views. I like you. I'll admit, that's a report that I haven't seen before and it definitely casts some grey area onto the case. Towards the end the Eugene police straight up admit that it's a "he said, she said" matter. Personally, I don't think Gottfredson would have allowed them to play the players given his reactions later on. That guy received a lot of criticism for his words towards the players who hadn't committed any crimes, and I have a hard time believing he would've allowed them to play without word from the police telling them not to get involved. Also, it sounded like Mullens, Altman, and the rest of the athletic staff never even knew the names of who was involved, just that someone was under investigation. Again, it's all "he said, she said" at this point, we'll never really know what happened behind the scenes. I'll add some insight into Carrington. He's not the most upstanding person you'll ever meet (though overall pretty good natured in most circumstances). I actually witnessed the lead up to his arm breaking fiasco and felt that both sides were equally at fault. Not sure if he deserved punishment or not for that instance, but it was certainly not a one sided affair. It takes two to tango? no one here... likes you. Bounce.
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