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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 22, 2016 11:13:37 GMT -8
Reading through comments in other topics there is a perception MR shied away from or didn't have much success with JC players. That doesn't match at all with reality.
The Simi Kuli strikeout is all some seem to remember, because we had a lot of success with JC players under MR. Just off the top of my head(please feel free to add those I don't recall):
DT Stephen Peiaea (sp)
DB Steven Nelson (I believe rated best JC DB in country)
DE Dorian Smith (key player in "The Stand" at Cal)
DE Rudof Fifita (had he not been lured into trouble would have been a difference maker vs Texas in Alamo bowl)
DE Rusty Fernando
OL Hasiak
LB Mafi
DT Delva
LB Cowdin
RB Jeremy Francis (after Quizz was knocked out of Zona game he made one of the most unique/memorable plays to save the game for us in the final minutes)
DT Jalen Grimble (was a 5 star out of high school I believe)
DT Tuimasilli (sp)
DT Peko
DT Hautau (sp)
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 22, 2016 11:25:37 GMT -8
Not saying it didn't happen, but I honestly can't remember this being that much of an issue. I think most Beaver fans thought one of Riley's best assets was developing talent, which is harder to do when a guy only has a few years left. They either got it or don't. But I honestly can't remember anyone bitching about Riley not going after enough JC guys, or at least any sort of depth of discussion on the topic.
There was a hell of a lot more debate on whether Riley was simply not a great recruiter, or didn't have the resources to recruit, or didn't spend enough time chasing after 4 star recruits that could actually enroll in college.
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Post by rollotomasi on Dec 22, 2016 11:30:56 GMT -8
Reading through comments in other topics there is a perception MR shied away from or didn't have much success with JC players. That doesn't match at all with reality. The Simi Kuli strikeout is all some seem to remember, because we had a lot of success with JC players under MR. Just off the top of my head(please feel free to add those I don't recall): DT Stephen Peiaea (sp) DB Steven Nelson (I believe rated best JC DB in country) DE Dorian Smith (key player in "The Stand" at Cal) DE Rudof Fifita (had he not been lured into trouble would have been a difference maker vs Texas in Alamo bowl) DE Rusty Fernando OL Hasiak LB Mafi DT Delva LB Cowdin RB Jeremy Francis (after Quizz was knocked out of Zona game he made one of the most unique/memorable plays to save the game for us in the final minutes) DT Jalen Grimble (was a 5 star out of high school I believe) DT Tuimasilli (sp) DT Peko DT Hautau (sp) How could you forget Ol' Ben "Dozen Fingers" Terry? |
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 22, 2016 11:42:15 GMT -8
Well it's basically 1 person who said Riley didn't embrace JCs. You can go back and look at every roster and see we had plenty of JCs contributing. As far as the NUMBER of JCs per year, well - I mean, it's situational right? You bring in JCs when you have immediate holes to fill due to injuries, kids washing out, class balancing, etc. Some years that might be 2, other years it might be 5-6.
As far as his attitude towards JC's goes, I've never heard MR indicate he had an issue with JCs. If anything, I thought MR giving a scholarship to JC Una Smiley in 2008 was quite a gesture- Smiley was shot in a drive by shooting in New Mexico, was told he probably wouldn't play again, Riley still gave him a scholarship. the kid never played a down for us (and later got kicked off the team for getting a DUI).
By the way, as far as your list goes - Hasiak never set foot on campus, despite us trying twice - out of HS and out of JC. He ended up at West Texas A&M.
Some other JC contributors over the years: Moevao, Coye Francies, Clinton Polk.. Joey LaRoque, Shane Morales, Keith Ellison, Sam Paulescu
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Post by blackbug on Dec 22, 2016 16:06:15 GMT -8
Reading through comments in other topics there is a perception MR shied away from or didn't have much success with JC players. That doesn't match at all with reality. The Simi Kuli strikeout is all some seem to remember, because we had a lot of success with JC players under MR. Just off the top of my head(please feel free to add those I don't recall): DT Stephen Peiaea (sp) DB Steven Nelson (I believe rated best JC DB in country) DE Dorian Smith (key player in "The Stand" at Cal) DE Rudof Fifita (had he not been lured into trouble would have been a difference maker vs Texas in Alamo bowl) DE Rusty Fernando OL Hasiak LB Mafi DT Delva LB Cowdin RB Jeremy Francis (after Quizz was knocked out of Zona game he made one of the most unique/memorable plays to save the game for us in the final minutes) DT Jalen Grimble (was a 5 star out of high school I believe) DT Tuimasilli (sp) DT Peko DT Hautau (sp) Jalen Grimble was a transfer and not a JC recruit. Riley often said it was good to recruit JC players, but you had to be careful. He always came across to me like he was worried about recruiting JC players. Andersen is pretty vocal that he likes to recruit JC players (as he was one of them) and that he thinks it is pretty important. Both of them have often made the statement that you recruit JC players to contribute immediately. Does this actually mean anything in numbers, probably not. It does create a perception to me, at least, when you listen to the 2 different coaches talk about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 16:14:51 GMT -8
JC is Just Cool with me.
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 23, 2016 7:11:18 GMT -8
Some guys just physically mature later. They have the tools and the athleticism, just aren't big enough. I was reasonable athletic in HS and graduated at 150. Six months later, was in the Army at 160. A year later, I was 195 and in better shape than when I was a pretty decent competitive swimmer.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 23, 2016 7:37:49 GMT -8
Some guys just physically mature later. They have the tools and the athleticism, just aren't big enough. I was reasonable athletic in HS and graduated at 150. Six months later, was in the Army at 160. A year later, I was 195 and in better shape than when I was a pretty decent competitive swimmer. Same thing with brains. Research has shown that our brains keep adding neurons and building connections until [on average] about age 25. Until then, our brains are still programmable: after 25, they are programmable. But it deals a great deal more effort than before 25. So, even though some athletes are physically mature at 18, 19, 20, they aren't intellectually mature until 25. As young adults they are still developing a work ethic, learning teamwork, etc. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 23, 2016 9:27:33 GMT -8
Some guys just physically mature later. They have the tools and the athleticism, just aren't big enough. I was reasonable athletic in HS and graduated at 150. Six months later, was in the Army at 160. A year later, I was 195 and in better shape than when I was a pretty decent competitive swimmer. Same thing with brains. Research has shown that our brains keep adding neurons and building connections until [on average] about age 25. Until then, our brains are still programmable: after 25, they are programmable. But it deals a great deal more effort than before 25. So, even though some athletes are physically mature at 18, 19, 20, they aren't intellectually mature until 25. As young adults they are still developing a work ethic, learning teamwork, etc. It is true. Those of us who are "late bloomers" are pretty well relegated to the back end when it come to competitive sports. HS football players better have reached physical maturity by the time they are 16, or else no one is going to recruiting them. One of my best friends was probably 5'8" and 140 as a HS junior. 6'3" and 195 by the time we were freshmen in college. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 23, 2016 14:51:19 GMT -8
Stan Hasiak never made it into school.
Take a look at the list - it's all DL. DL sprinkled with a few LB's and the occasional safety, a couple corners with DJ Coote and Coye Francies off the top of my head. We did bring in some JC talent but we never went after it hard. Didn't even bother with OL because the pro set scheme and skillset was so much work to get down. That's changed now with the reach block being the primary tool and being athletic enough to put a hat on a linebacker out in space gets you on the field because you don't have the technique learning curve to overcome.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 23, 2016 16:34:36 GMT -8
Stan Hasiak never made it into school. Take a look at the list - it's all DL. DL sprinkled with a few LB's and the occasional safety, a couple corners with DJ Coote and Coye Francies off the top of my head. We did bring in some JC talent but we never went after it hard. Didn't even bother with OL because the pro set scheme and skillset was so much work to get down. That's changed now with the reach block being the primary tool and being athletic enough to put a hat on a linebacker out in space gets you on the field because you don't have the technique learning curve to overcome. It's difficult to speak in absolutes. Hasiak, Smiley, recently graduated Bobby Keenan (who redshirted for Riley in 2014 and missed each of the last 2 years to injury), and I'm sure there are many others we are forgetting. I don't think Riley or Cav had any qualms about signing JC OL, nor do I think there's any evidence that Riley's staff was terribly reluctant to recruit JC players. If we took 3-4 on average in the Riley years, and 4-5 each year in the GA era, is it really any different? It's not like we're going from 1-2 a year to 5+. |
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