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Post by kersting13 on Dec 20, 2016 18:37:53 GMT -8
The reason I am saying this is simple. if it ain't 3M under center in 2017 my brain might literally explode. If it is Luton, or Moran or Blount or Garretson, they'd better be looking REAL good. because 3M really was on a great trajectory. He was gaining confidence, playing well, taking command and I think if he gets a spring and fall as the #1 and gets the support and the real chance to take it and run... he will be pretty dang good. Add me to the exploding brain brigade. The 4.2 ypa stat is the ugliest thing I've seen in a long time. |
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Post by rockybeav on Dec 20, 2016 18:47:07 GMT -8
Honestly, I feel like Garretson shouldn't even be in the picture to start. I would have to imagine it's either 3M or Luton. I'm not sure if it was some sort of mental block or what, but Garretson had PLENTY of opportunities to solidify his position as a starter and it didn't work out.
I'd love to see 3M enter Spring as the starter and keep improving. Are any of the spring practices open to the public?
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Post by obf on Dec 21, 2016 14:00:55 GMT -8
There is no guarantee, in fact I assume it is unlikely, that Garretson is even healthy for the start of the 2017 season, let alone spring and fall practices... In my mind DG is a non entity in the QB competition. And yes those passing stats are U-G-L-Y. It wouldn't surprise me to see DG medically retire and become a GA for... GA.
I will also put my hat in the ring as a brain exploder if 3M is not the presumptive starter in spring and fall and barring blow your socks off practice performances by Moran or Luton not the starter in the first game of 2017...
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 21, 2016 14:56:45 GMT -8
The best guy should play! "Best" meaning; most consistent performer, best leader on the field, best fit, most productive.
Although I'll agree that no QB showed themselves to be "the guy" on a consistent basis in '16, it's still a competition. There are a lot of factors that went into the success and the lack of success for both QBs that played last season; level of competition was completely different overall for the QBs, the playcalling majorly changed (one guy had far more attempts downfield while the other barely threw many balls over 10 yards past the LOS), the offensive line played a lot more consistent toward the end of the season (especially with pass pro- may be in part to level of competition too).
Well this season we'll know a little bit more by March (end of Spring ball-earlier than usual) about the QB situation. Until then, guys will be working to get better and the best guy should be, "the guy".
My take.
Go Beavs!
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 21, 2016 16:21:11 GMT -8
The best guy should play! "Best" meaning; most consistent performer, best leader on the field, best fit, most productive. Although I'll agree that no QB showed themselves to be "the guy" on a consistent basis in '16, it's still a competition. There are a lot of factors that went into the success and the lack of success for both QBs that played last season; level of competition was completely different overall for the QBs, the playcalling majorly changed (one guy had far more attempts downfield while the other barely threw many balls over 10 yards past the LOS), the offensive line played a lot more consistent toward the end of the season (especially with pass pro- may be in part to level of competition too). Well this season we'll know a little bit more by March (end of Spring ball-earlier than usual) about the QB situation. Until then, guys will be working to get better and the best guy should be, "the guy". My take. Go Beavs! So... you're saying by your own definition that 3M was not clearly the leader in the clubhouse in every one of your categories? And, by default would be far superior to any newcomer that has never taken a D1 snap with these teammates let alone a Pac12 snap? |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 21, 2016 17:02:06 GMT -8
The best guy should play! "Best" meaning; most consistent performer, best leader on the field, best fit, most productive. Although I'll agree that no QB showed themselves to be "the guy" on a consistent basis in '16, it's still a competition. There are a lot of factors that went into the success and the lack of success for both QBs that played last season; level of competition was completely different overall for the QBs, the playcalling majorly changed (one guy had far more attempts downfield while the other barely threw many balls over 10 yards past the LOS), the offensive line played a lot more consistent toward the end of the season (especially with pass pro- may be in part to level of competition too). Well this season we'll know a little bit more by March (end of Spring ball-earlier than usual) about the QB situation. Until then, guys will be working to get better and the best guy should be, "the guy". My take. Go Beavs! So... you're saying by your own definition that 3M was not clearly the leader in the clubhouse in every one of your categories? And, by default would be far superior to any newcomer that has never taken a D1 snap with these teammates let alone a Pac12 snap? No, you said that. 2017 is a new year. I basically said the best QB should get the job. Go Beavs! |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 21, 2016 18:07:37 GMT -8
The best guy should play! "Best" meaning; most consistent performer, best leader on the field, best fit, most productive. Although I'll agree that no QB showed themselves to be "the guy" on a consistent basis in '16, it's still a competition. There are a lot of factors that went into the success and the lack of success for both QBs that played last season; level of competition was completely different overall for the QBs, the playcalling majorly changed (one guy had far more attempts downfield while the other barely threw many balls over 10 yards past the LOS), the offensive line played a lot more consistent toward the end of the season (especially with pass pro- may be in part to level of competition too). Well this season we'll know a little bit more by March (end of Spring ball-earlier than usual) about the QB situation. Until then, guys will be working to get better and the best guy should be, "the guy". My take. Go Beavs! So... you're saying by your own definition that 3M was not clearly the leader in the clubhouse in every one of your categories? And, by default would be far superior to any newcomer that has never taken a D1 snap with these teammates let alone a Pac12 snap? I think what you say is " the QB play had room for improvement overall in 16" and you say that because of this you are still having an open competition. The unspoken part is (or should be) that it's Marcus' job to lose. But he has to keep it still. I'm good with that. He was hot at the end of 16 and if he is gaining confidence from that he's gonna stay hot and he'll keep the job. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 21, 2016 23:02:26 GMT -8
So... you're saying by your own definition that 3M was not clearly the leader in the clubhouse in every one of your categories? And, by default would be far superior to any newcomer that has never taken a D1 snap with these teammates let alone a Pac12 snap? No, you said that. 2017 is a new year. I basically said the best QB should get the job. Go Beavs! Actually you did... stating "NO quarterback". Actually we did have a guyb who showed consistency. He was as consistent as any position on this team besides RB. He is far and away the leader at the position. |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 22, 2016 8:06:16 GMT -8
No, you said that. 2017 is a new year. I basically said the best QB should get the job. Go Beavs! Actually you did... stating "NO quarterback". Actually we did have a guyb who showed consistency. He was as consistent as any position on this team besides RB. He is far and away the leader at the position. I stand by the fact that no QB was consistent in the '16 season. No matter who's deemed #1 to start the Spring or even Fall camp, the best guy should be the starter come game 1. That's all. Go Beavs! |
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Post by oosik on Dec 22, 2016 9:42:50 GMT -8
The defense played hard and was respectable the last half of the year, especially with so many linebacker injuries. The one critique is the safeties, Chappell in particular left an open zone in the middle of the field that allowed way too many deep completions.
Hopefully a new DB coach will work on that!
With better depth on the defensive line, healthy linebackers, better discipline by the safeties......
I think we start with a lot better potential on defense next year.
on offense, we have 3 solid big guys to replace. A healthy Harlowe and Andrews at center have to be replaced.
if we have enough healthy qb's they can run the read option, which opened up the offense, even with an incompetent passing game!
add the threat of the pass and a season with a healthy Nall and the Beavs go Bowling!
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Post by zebraworks on Dec 22, 2016 9:43:46 GMT -8
3m was definitely our best QB although one of his games looked horrible.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 22, 2016 9:59:23 GMT -8
Actually you did... stating "NO quarterback". Actually we did have a guyb who showed consistency. He was as consistent as any position on this team besides RB. He is far and away the leader at the position. I stand by the fact that no QB was consistent in the '16 season. No matter who's deemed #1 to start the Spring or even Fall camp, the best guy should be the starter come game 1. That's all. Go Beavs! True. But one was clearly better in basically every metric. I am all for competition, and I am all for letting the best QB win, but I think there is value in defining a starting QB and letting him have the job and work as the presumed starter. Having spring and fall "QB competitions" only limits snaps that should go to the guy that is your leader. 3M has proven he is better than what we currently had, but also shown he needs to grow and improve himself. 3M, to me, has shown a higher ceiling and a greater potential than any other QB on our roster right now. Obviously we need to see what Luton brings to the table. I, personally, would rather support that then stunt that. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 22, 2016 13:24:58 GMT -8
I stand by the fact that no QB was consistent in the '16 season. You are wrong. One of our QBs was very consistent in '16. Consistently bad. That guy should not be in the mix for starting QB in '17. |
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Dec 23, 2016 11:06:04 GMT -8
I MORE than share your enthusiasm about the new season, but it is a long long way to Tipperary. I wouldn't read the lyrics in today's context of words.
College Football is a weird sport. A coach with millions dollars of contract is judged by approximately 50 hours of performance.
But damn, beat the ducks in Autzen and shut them up once in awhile.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 23, 2016 14:52:01 GMT -8
The best guy should play! "Best" meaning; most consistent performer, best leader on the field, best fit, most productive. Although I'll agree that no QB showed themselves to be "the guy" on a consistent basis in '16, it's still a competition. There are a lot of factors that went into the success and the lack of success for both QBs that played last season; level of competition was completely different overall for the QBs, the playcalling majorly changed (one guy had far more attempts downfield while the other barely threw many balls over 10 yards past the LOS), the offensive line played a lot more consistent toward the end of the season (especially with pass pro- may be in part to level of competition too). Well this season we'll know a little bit more by March (end of Spring ball-earlier than usual) about the QB situation. Until then, guys will be working to get better and the best guy should be, "the guy". My take. Go Beavs! So... you're saying by your own definition that 3M was not clearly the leader in the clubhouse in every one of your categories? And, by default would be far superior to any newcomer that has never taken a D1 snap with these teammates let alone a Pac12 snap? Where did you get that? Was there a post between the lines written in invisible bits and bytes? |
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