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Post by rockybeav on Dec 19, 2016 20:00:18 GMT -8
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Post by steinlager on Dec 19, 2016 21:02:00 GMT -8
Beavs rebuild is about one season ahead of the Colorado pace. The number of players in the final 2-deep coming back next year should lead to a bowl game. Hopefully all the injuries in 2016 requiring backups to play created depth for 2017. Things will be fine if a qb emerges and o-line plays well.
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Post by rangenerd on Dec 19, 2016 21:17:56 GMT -8
With all the injuries, it is really tough to tell just how good this team can be. I think that we are going in the right direction, but reality is this, we beat 3 really bad teams and one average at best team. Until we start to be competitive with the top teams, I'm staying on the fence.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 19, 2016 22:14:07 GMT -8
With all the injuries, it is really tough to tell just how good this team can be. I think that we are going in the right direction, but reality is this, we beat 3 really bad teams and one average at best team. Until we start to be competitive with the top teams, I'm staying on the fence. Enjoy the fence.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 20, 2016 7:56:11 GMT -8
With all the injuries, it is really tough to tell just how good this team can be. I think that we are going in the right direction, but reality is this, we beat 3 really bad teams and one average at best team. Until we start to be competitive with the top teams, I'm staying on the fence. Believe it or not, WSU and Utah were certainly a couple of the top teams in the Pac-12 last year, and we were absolutely competitive with them. Minnesota finished 8-4, and we were certainly completive against them. I don't think 6-6 is out of the question. As always, keeping your best players healthy is a key.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 20, 2016 7:59:51 GMT -8
Beavs rebuild is about one season ahead of the Colorado pace. The number of players in the final 2-deep coming back next year should lead to a bowl game. Hopefully all the injuries in 2016 requiring backups to play created depth for 2017. Things will be fine if a qb emerges and o-line plays well. It's kind of hard to say OSU is "ahead" of the Colorado rebuild. Regardless of the narrative we sometimes hear on this site, the Beaver team that GA took over was not the perennial bottom dweller that Colorado was when McIntyre got them. We didn't have to come as far, and our "rebuild" was a bit more self-inflicted.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 20, 2016 8:56:04 GMT -8
With all the injuries, it is really tough to tell just how good this team can be. I think that we are going in the right direction, but reality is this, we beat 3 really bad teams and one average at best team. Until we start to be competitive with the top teams, I'm staying on the fence. Believe it or not, WSU and Utah were certainly a couple of the top teams in the Pac-12 last year, and we were absolutely competitive with them. Minnesota finished 8-4, and we were certainly completive against them. I don't think 6-6 is out of the question. As always, keeping your best players healthy is a key. I don't think 7-5 is out of the question particularly if we sweep OOC. I don't even think 8-4 is out of the question, but it's a loooooong question.
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Post by joecool on Dec 20, 2016 9:11:33 GMT -8
A bowl game is a must next season, 6-6 should be doable.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 20, 2016 9:21:51 GMT -8
Believe it or not, WSU and Utah were certainly a couple of the top teams in the Pac-12 last year, and we were absolutely competitive with them. Minnesota finished 8-4, and we were certainly completive against them. I don't think 6-6 is out of the question. As always, keeping your best players healthy is a key. I don't think 7-5 is out of the question particularly if we sweep OOC. I don't even think 8-4 is out of the question, but it's a loooooong question. I agree. I think 8 wins should be the goal. This team needs to not be okay with just "improvement". it needs to demand to win games. We have a strong a core of returning talent as anybody could reasonably expect. We should fully expect that we roll forward with 3M and I really like the looks of our young WRs. and of course wrecking nall. Evans might be a huge piece of of the puzzle. two solid NTs in rotation is a necessity.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 20, 2016 10:50:56 GMT -8
I don't think 7-5 is out of the question particularly if we sweep OOC. I don't even think 8-4 is out of the question, but it's a loooooong question. I agree. I think 8 wins should be the goal. This team needs to not be okay with just "improvement". it needs to demand to win games. We have a strong a core of returning talent as anybody could reasonably expect. We should fully expect that we roll forward with 3M and I really like the looks of our young WRs. and of course wrecking nall. Evans might be a huge piece of of the puzzle. two solid NTs in rotation is a necessity. It's a good goal for fans, realistic too. But I think these kids will approach every game as winnable. Say what you want about CGA but that is one thing he gets an A+ for, and IMO that's a really big thing. These kids fight, which says a lot when you have 3 different QBs playing. They are going to have to learn HOW to win, and by that I mean hold leads (a la civil war) and come from behind late in games to get there. They were in a few dog fights this year that they just didn't have the depth and manpower to pull it out. Those are going to be the difference maker next year to getting to 6 or 7 or even 8 wins. There isn't enough talent or depth across the board to blow many teams out. But there is to compete 10 out of 12 weeks, and maybe surprise a bighead like Riley used to do. Agree on Evans. Hopefully we land one of the two big JC OTs that are still out there. That would really shore up depth and flexibility on the OL going into next year. Little bummed we didn't land one of the big JC CBs, thought we had a good trend going there from Nelson to Decoud.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 20, 2016 10:54:25 GMT -8
I think 6-8 wins is very doable! But...... there are some question marks though. The DBs are going to fine with the starters but beyond that, it gets a little sketchy. Will Wallace be ready, or even eligible at this point? We have no JUCO DBs in this class yet, that's a concern! The offensive line has talent but they will need to rework the chemistry to find a unit that works well together. That could (but hopefully doesn't take as long as this season) take a few games at least. Let's face it, the QB situation is also still a concern. Although there will be a better competition with depth, that does not guarantee that one will be a consistent good leader at the QB position (obviously the hope but....).
All those things being said, I think there are some great spots moving into next season. The RB situation could be as good as it ever has been here! The receiver position should be very good in terms of guys that can create plays after the catch and a guy like N Togiai will be back to help boost the offensive production. I think if Togiai stays healthy, he could easily be an All PAC 12 guy.
Defensively, there are some great things happening! Obviously DL Evans (although he hasn't played a game for the Beavs) should make some waves along with Aydon and the rest of that front. I'm most excited for those Rush End/OLB Hybrid types. Guys like Robinett and A Hughes Murray along with some other guys, but those two are gonna be studs IMO. I'm also excited to see what happens with Garcia. Granted, I'm not even sure he's eligible yet but he looks to be a possible good one.
If the offensive line gets squared away early on, whoever the QB is, will have weapons around him and have a very good vertical and horizontal running game to help out the passing game. To think how well the DBs played this season when at times there wasn't a lot of pressure on the opposing QB, actually getting some pressure (consistently) on their QB should make our deficit in DB depth less obvious. I think the QB pressures will get better substantially with the young guys gaining experience, some consistency (actually having the same DC two seasons now) and beefing up the front to help with occupying blockers and actually getting to the QB themselves.
Just my take!
Go Beavs!
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 20, 2016 11:43:28 GMT -8
I think 6-8 wins is very doable! But...... there are some question marks though. The DBs are going to fine with the starters but beyond that, it gets a little sketchy. Will Wallace be ready, or even eligible at this point? We have no JUCO DBs in this class yet, that's a concern! The offensive line has talent but they will need to rework the chemistry to find a unit that works well together. That could (but hopefully doesn't take as long as this season) take a few games at least. Let's face it, the QB situation is also still a concern. Although there will be a better competition with depth, that does not guarantee that one will be a consistent good leader at the QB position (obviously the hope but....). Go Beavs! It was supposed to be shaky going in to this year too, one could argue it turned out to be the strongest unit on either side of the ball.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2016 12:44:32 GMT -8
With all the injuries, it is really tough to tell just how good this team can be. I think that we are going in the right direction, but reality is this, we beat 3 really bad teams and one average at best team. Until we start to be competitive with the top teams, I'm staying on the fence. Believe it or not, WSU and Utah were certainly a couple of the top teams in the Pac-12 last year, and we were absolutely competitive with them. Minnesota finished 8-4, and we were certainly completive against them. I don't think 6-6 is out of the question. As always, keeping your best players healthy is a key. Retrospectively, Utah was such a wasted opportunity. 3M should have been playing. Statistically, it was his second-best game after the Arizona game, but he only came in after the Garretson and Blount got hurt. The two combining to go 4/21 for 21 yards, each one accounting for a turnover. With two full games under his belt, maybe he has just enough experience to lead Oregon State to 6-6 and a bowl berth. Minnesota was 8-4, but they were in no way comparable to the upper half of the Pac-12. Next year, Oregon State has one fewer home game. Oregon State gets Minnesota at home, trades Idaho State for a slightly better Portland State team, and trades Boise State at home for a worse Colorado State in Fort Collins. In conference, Oregon State trades Utah for Arizona State and UCLA for USC.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 20, 2016 13:39:51 GMT -8
Believe it or not, WSU and Utah were certainly a couple of the top teams in the Pac-12 last year, and we were absolutely competitive with them. Minnesota finished 8-4, and we were certainly completive against them. I don't think 6-6 is out of the question. As always, keeping your best players healthy is a key. Retrospectively, Utah was such a wasted opportunity. 3M should have been playing. Statistically, it was his second-best game after the Arizona game, but he only came in after the Garretson and Blount got hurt. The two combining to go 4/21 for 21 yards, each one accounting for a turnover. With two full games under his belt, maybe he has just enough experience to lead Oregon State to 6-6 and a bowl berth. Minnesota was 8-4, but they were in no way comparable to the upper half of the Pac-12. Next year, Oregon State has one fewer home game. Oregon State gets Minnesota at home, trades Idaho State for a slightly better Portland State team, and trades Boise State at home for a worse Colorado State in Fort Collins. In conference, Oregon State trades Utah for Arizona State and UCLA for USC. Retrospectively, one has to wonder how the entire first half of the season might have worked out if the QB situation were handled differently. Part of me wants to hope that DG had some sort of unknown arm injury that would explain how poorly he played. Another part of me hopes that is not the case, because how could our coaches continue to play a secretly hurt guy who was doing so poorly, especially since we had a clearly competent option. Sigh, these are the hypotheticals we are reduced to during the off-season. Where's the countdown to next year's kickoff?
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 20, 2016 15:13:45 GMT -8
Retrospectively, Utah was such a wasted opportunity. 3M should have been playing. Statistically, it was his second-best game after the Arizona game, but he only came in after the Garretson and Blount got hurt. The two combining to go 4/21 for 21 yards, each one accounting for a turnover. With two full games under his belt, maybe he has just enough experience to lead Oregon State to 6-6 and a bowl berth. Minnesota was 8-4, but they were in no way comparable to the upper half of the Pac-12. Next year, Oregon State has one fewer home game. Oregon State gets Minnesota at home, trades Idaho State for a slightly better Portland State team, and trades Boise State at home for a worse Colorado State in Fort Collins. In conference, Oregon State trades Utah for Arizona State and UCLA for USC. Retrospectively, one has to wonder how the entire first half of the season might have worked out if the QB situation were handled differently. Part of me wants to hope that DG had some sort of unknown arm injury that would explain how poorly he played. Another part of me hopes that is not the case, because how could our coaches continue to play a secretly hurt guy who was doing so poorly, especially since we had a clearly competent option. Sigh, these are the hypotheticals we are reduced to during the off-season. Where's the countdown to next year's kickoff? The problem with all these closed practices is we really have no idea how they look for 90% of their work. Pros and cons to that of course. But we do know how they performed on the field, and 3M wins by a landslide. 3M was a full starter for 6 games, and played a little bit of a 7th. DG was a full starter for basically 5.5 games, getting injured late against Utah. Stats are night and day different, with 3M playing, call it a very charitable one extra game than DG. 3M: 101/170 for 59.4% 1286 yards 7.6 ypa 10 TD 5 INT 136.49 rating 160.8 yards per game DG: 73/146 for 50.0% 617 yards 4.2 ypa 3 TD 4 INT 86.80 rating 102.8 yards per game It should be noted, all of DG's TDs and 1/3rd of his yards came against Minnesota in game 1. DG only passed for more than 100 yards one more time, then passed for 53, 55, 85 and 24 yards after than. that 24 yard game came on 20 attempts and 4 completions against Utah. In 4 games, DG's yards per attempt were in the 3's. DG's last 3 games including the Utah game he got hurt were: 22 of 60 (36%) for 164 yards 0 TDs and 3 INTs 3M's last 3 was 51 of 72 (70.8%) for 598 yards, 6TDs and 1 INT 3M played #4 Washington and #16 Stanford both on the road and had better games than any of DG's last 4. The reason I am saying this is simple. if it ain't 3M under center in 2017 my brain might literally explode. If it is Luton, or Moran or Blount or Garretson, they'd better be looking REAL good. because 3M really was on a great trajectory. He was gaining confidence, playing well, taking command and I think if he gets a spring and fall as the #1 and gets the support and the real chance to take it and run... he will be pretty dang good.
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