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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 13, 2016 13:32:27 GMT -8
Appears Anu Solomon is transferring out of UofA. For a guy who's frosh season threw for 3,793 yards, 28 touchdowns, and only 9 interceptions it would have been hard to foresee this is how his career would end at UofA.
Sustained too many hits and they took their toll. Are the rewards a mobile QB brings worth the risk they take over the course of a season or college career?
The answer seems to be one of necessity. Schools with an inherent disadvantage need the added element of a run threat QB to overachieve, while blue bloods can succeed at a high level without relying on their QB to run the ball with any regularity. So when you're the underdog you take the risk, when you're not you don't.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 14:59:18 GMT -8
Appears Anu Solomon is transferring out of UofA. For a guy who's frosh season threw for 3,793 yards, 28 touchdowns, and only 9 interceptions it would have been hard to foresee this is how his career would end at UofA. Sustained too many hits and they took their toll. Are the rewards a mobile QB brings worth the risk they take over the course of a season or college career? The answer seems to be one of necessity. Schools with an inherent disadvantage need the added element of a run threat QB to overachieve, while blue bloods can succeed at a high level without relying on their QB to run the ball with any regularity. So when you're the underdog you take the risk, when you're not you don't. You bring up a good point. When is the concussion risk REALLY going to catch up with college football? It clearly has with the NFL, and you see players being pulled and missing games that never would of missed games even 5 years ago, let alone 10. I always believe offenses follow a cyclical pattern (and defenses are always playing chase...) And truth be told there isn't really anything left in the world that has not been done before. It is all a matter of how you mix and match it, how you make the little twist or wrinkle, how you deploy it. The Chipster has famously maintained nothing he did at Oregon was "new". And he was right. His deployment was what was new. the speed and the method of receiving plays from the sideline. So what I am getting at is, if we accept offenses evolve and change and things come into and out of fashion, out fast is it before the dual threat RPO QB is left behind again, and offense swings back to pocket passing pro guys? Does the concussion risk speed that up? the overall enhanced injury risk of being a spread QB in an RPO orientated offense that has you scrambling around a lot while looking to pass or run? |
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Post by blackbug on Dec 13, 2016 15:32:32 GMT -8
Cannot say that I saw very many of the plays that Solomon was injured on, but the few I did see he was passing and not running. I do not know if running had much to do with his injury problems. You look at a typical stat line and he usually average around 6 carries per game the last 2 years with 2-3 of these being sacks. He did more running as a freshman, though.
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Post by rilesinnewberg on Dec 13, 2016 17:21:38 GMT -8
In the Yahoo article it lists the schools who recruited him out of HS. Solomon was a four-star recruit out of Bishop Gorman High School in Las Vegas. During his recruiting process, he received interest from Arizona State, BYU, Colorado, Illinois, Purdue, Utah, Oregon State, Hawaii, Washington, Washington State, Wisconsin and UNLV. It is unclear where he plans to pursue a graduate transfer. sports.yahoo.com/news/arizona-qb-anu-solomon-announces-plans-to-transfer-201343046.html |
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 13, 2016 19:33:03 GMT -8
In the Yahoo article it lists the schools who recruited him out of HS. Solomon was a four-star recruit out of Bishop Gorman High School in Las Vegas. During his recruiting process, he received interest from Arizona State, BYU, Colorado, Illinois, Purdue, Utah, Oregon State, Hawaii, Washington, Washington State, Wisconsin and UNLV. It is unclear where he plans to pursue a graduate transfer. sports.yahoo.com/news/arizona-qb-anu-solomon-announces-plans-to-transfer-201343046.htmlI don't recall who it was against, but I watched him get pummeled running the ball in a game a year or two ago. He took some hard head shots, puked on the field after one, and yet came back in to the same game and received more punishment. Sustaining contact after a concussion and before the swelling/symptoms have gone away, is what really putss player at high risk for long term issues. At least that's what the latest research I've looked at says. |
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Post by bleedsosuorange on Dec 16, 2016 7:57:10 GMT -8
I watched him get pummeled running the ball in a game a year or two ago. He took some hard head shots, puked on the field after one, and yet came back in to the same game and received more punishment. Sustaining contact after a concussion and before the swelling/symptoms have gone away, is what really putss player at high risk for long term issues. At least that's what the latest research I've looked at says. That was Matt Scott against USC... that was very scary. Puked and finishes off the drive, was done after that. |
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Post by BVRinSeattle on Dec 17, 2016 5:38:24 GMT -8
Appears Anu Solomon is transferring out of UofA. For a guy who's frosh season threw for 3,793 yards, 28 touchdowns, and only 9 interceptions it would have been hard to foresee this is how his career would end at UofA. Sustained too many hits and they took their toll. Are the rewards a mobile QB brings worth the risk they take over the course of a season or college career? The answer seems to be one of necessity. Schools with an inherent disadvantage need the added element of a run threat QB to overachieve, while blue bloods can succeed at a high level without relying on their QB to run the ball with any regularity. So when you're the underdog you take the risk, when you're not you don't. You bring up a good point. When is the concussion risk REALLY going to catch up with college football? It clearly has with the NFL, and you see players being pulled and missing games that never would of missed games even 5 years ago, let alone 10. I always believe offenses follow a cyclical pattern (and defenses are always playing chase...) And truth be told there isn't really anything left in the world that has not been done before. It is all a matter of how you mix and match it, how you make the little twist or wrinkle, how you deploy it. The Chipster has famously maintained nothing he did at Oregon was "new". And he was right. His deployment was what was new. the speed and the method of receiving plays from the sideline. So what I am getting at is, if we accept offenses evolve and change and things come into and out of fashion, out fast is it before the dual threat RPO QB is left behind again, and offense swings back to pocket passing pro guys? Does the concussion risk speed that up? the overall enhanced injury risk of being a spread QB in an RPO orientated offense that has you scrambling around a lot while looking to pass or run? I think the future of the game for QBs is a mixture of both. First as always, you have to be a pocket passing QB, but also I think going forward, you need to have a bit of a mobile element to keep defenses honest. One example is Russell Wilson...while he started as a scramble, legit 4.5 grab chunks of running yards style of QB, his full potential is as a pocket passer. But as his career evolves, he is a pocket passer, but can also break out for that needed (if open) 7-10 yard run for the 1st down. Those latter runs bring the defenses back and more honest, knowing if that QB can be a running threat if need so. A good (young) example of that as well this year is Dak with the Cowboys. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 17, 2016 10:42:51 GMT -8
The role/ type of QB play really had not changed all that much. In fact the style of offense and the simplification of systems is much more apparent than a change in QB style/running ability.
If you take a peek at the top 20 rushing QBs in the NFL... 9 are pre 1970... 10 are 80's and 90's. Only Vick breaks into the list from QBs with careers completed in the 2000's.
For those of oldies we know the QB was the guy to keep the D honest. The running ability of a QB has been paramount since the advent of the position. As the passing game became more developed and made the game seemingly more exciting, the position developed and throwing ability became highly emphasized. But, in the college and pro game QBs have long been running options.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 17, 2016 11:14:49 GMT -8
As Oregon State fans, I think our perspective may be altered from the actual reality. I don't have any statistics to back this up, but I think under Riley (and to a lesser extent Erickson) our QB's ran or scrambled less than nearly anyone. So if half the games you watch are Oregon State games, you are not seeing quarterbacks run and think that it's normal.
Probably my biggest complaint about the offense from the Riley years was the almost refusal of our quarterbacks to take "free" yards on the ground. The example being, the defensive line over pursues the qb, a 15 yard scramble is available with a baseball slide, and then the QB either throws the ball away or waits and waits and eventually is sacked.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 17, 2016 11:40:34 GMT -8
As Oregon State fans, I think our perspective may be altered from the actual reality. I don't have any statistics to back this up, but I think under Riley (and to a lesser extent Erickson) our QB's ran or scrambled less than nearly anyone. So if half the games you watch are Oregon State games, you are not seeing quarterbacks run and think that it's normal. Probably my biggest complaint about the offense from the Riley years was the almost refusal of our quarterbacks to take "free" yards on the ground. The example being, the defensive line over pursues the qb, a 15 yard scramble is available with a baseball slide, and then the QB either throws the ball away or waits and waits and eventually is sacked. Moore and Moevao did some running. Canfield and Mannion were so awkward sliding to avoid a collision, the slide attempt itself looked more dangerous than just fighting for the extra yard and taking a hit. Given the right athlete at QB or some breathing room behind them with a wee bit of QB depth it would appear Riley was/is not opposed to letting his QB's use their legs like Armstrong. With the wrong athlete and zero depth he was much less keen on the QB leaving the pocket. That's how it seems to me anyhow. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 14:53:01 GMT -8
Probably my biggest complaint about the offense from the Riley years was the almost refusal of our quarterbacks to take "free" yards on the ground. The example being, the defensive line over pursues the qb, a 15 yard scramble is available with a baseball slide, and then the QB either throws the ball away or waits and waits and eventually is sacked. True....but I would guess that was part of his recruiting schtick. That IS the model the NFL looks for....and Beaver QBs have been looked at, and had success at the next level. |
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Post by woodrow7525 on Dec 19, 2016 9:19:40 GMT -8
Appears Anu Solomon is transferring out of UofA. For a guy who's frosh season threw for 3,793 yards, 28 touchdowns, and only 9 interceptions it would have been hard to foresee this is how his career would end at UofA. Sustained too many hits and they took their toll. Are the rewards a mobile QB brings worth the risk they take over the course of a season or college career? The answer seems to be one of necessity. Schools with an inherent disadvantage need the added element of a run threat QB to overachieve, while blue bloods can succeed at a high level without relying on their QB to run the ball with any regularity. So when you're the underdog you take the risk, when you're not you don't. Jalen Hurts at Alabama. When you have a guy who can do it, you use it responsibly. |
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Post by beaverale on Dec 19, 2016 10:50:09 GMT -8
Appears Anu Solomon is transferring out of UofA. For a guy who's frosh season threw for 3,793 yards, 28 touchdowns, and only 9 interceptions it would have been hard to foresee this is how his career would end at UofA. Sustained too many hits and they took their toll. Are the rewards a mobile QB brings worth the risk they take over the course of a season or college career? The answer seems to be one of necessity. Schools with an inherent disadvantage need the added element of a run threat QB to overachieve, while blue bloods can succeed at a high level without relying on their QB to run the ball with any regularity. So when you're the underdog you take the risk, when you're not you don't. Jalen Hurts at Alabama. When you have a guy who can do it, you use it responsibly. JT Barrett with tOSU is another example. |
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