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Post by Beavcat on Dec 12, 2016 10:04:22 GMT -8
I honestly don't care what the rest of u say, I'm turning my back on the men basketball team. Since you don't care, I'll say it. You sound like a duck football fan. Lighten up, Nut.
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 12, 2016 10:09:44 GMT -8
I honestly don't care what the rest of u say, I'm turning my back on the men basketball team. Losing to a team that is next to last as the worst team in college basketball is straight humiliatingly embarrassing. This loss is a major major black eye for the dignity for the Beavs basketball program. This makes the Beavs look like a college who shouldn't even have a basketball program. If I were the AD right now, I'd tell Tinkle to get it in gear and win some games, or he's fired before PAC 12 play. I'm honestly just lividly disgusted by the loss tonight. Absolutely embarrassed for the men's basketball team. I am more embarrassed with have "fans" like you...
A young team, with the best player hurt. I fully admit, we shouldn't be losing to teams like Savannah St, but its going to take a hell of a lot more than that for me to turn my back on Tinkle and the team.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 12, 2016 10:26:36 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle grew on me. What I knew of him before he became our coach was limited...I just remember him bringing a Montana team to Corvallis and getting smoked by a Craig Robinson team that would finish the season as our only 20 win team of the past 25 years. I remember him being extremely angry almost the entire game on the sidelines and thinking that he must be having a real bad day. So when he was hired, I was skeptical because all I knew was that he was a fiery guy who coached a decent mid major. Then he went and had two consecutive winning seasons and led us back to the NCAA tournament. He is the only coach since Ralph Miller to have two winning seasons during his tenure. This is a bad season. We are really not good right now....but if we're going to say that he's a terrible coach, that didn't happen overnight. If that's the case, we might have to re-evaluate Craig Robinson. Like it or not, GPII, Langston Morris Walker, Daniel Gomis, Jarmal Reid, Olaf Schaftenaar, Malcolm Duvivier....those are all his guys. The only guy left that CR recruited is Cheikh N'diaye.
Let's not forget Tinkle was given a two year contract extension over the summer. I'm not saying he wasn't deserving (he was tasked with getting us to the tournament, and he delivered in year two), and it may have been necessary because other programs were sniffing around (although I find it hard to believe he'd bail on coaching his son after one season).
I'd like to say that injuries are an excuse, but they're not. Injuries are a part of sports. Guys get hurt all the time. Craig played seasons or parts of seasons without his best players (Nelson, Moreland, Collier, Cooke). Jay John famously placed all of the blame for a season going off the rails on Lamar Hurd's injury - I believe he said "we've lost the glue of the team" and that OSU would basically be lucky to win another game.
I'm not willing to write Tinkle off just yet - I think he's a decent coach and seems to have fit in well with the community - but we are 3-8 against what is to this point one of the easiest schedules in the nation. That's not good at all.
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WOOOOOO Feels dam Good to beat those Hogs! GO BEAVSSS!!
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Dec 12, 2016 11:23:22 GMT -8
I honestly don't care what the rest of u say, I'm turning my back on the men basketball team. Since you don't care, I'll say it. You sound like a duck football fan. Lighten up, Nut. Hah!!..no I'm no uck fan, I hate that TDTR with fiery passion, I hate the entire campus, I hate all the sports teams of ucks.
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BeaverNut23
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WOOOOOO Feels dam Good to beat those Hogs! GO BEAVSSS!!
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Dec 12, 2016 11:28:52 GMT -8
I honestly don't care what the rest of u say, I'm turning my back on the men basketball team. Losing to a team that is next to last as the worst team in college basketball is straight humiliatingly embarrassing. This loss is a major major black eye for the dignity for the Beavs basketball program. This makes the Beavs look like a college who shouldn't even have a basketball program. If I were the AD right now, I'd tell Tinkle to get it in gear and win some games, or he's fired before PAC 12 play. I'm honestly just lividly disgusted by the loss tonight. Absolutely embarrassed for the men's basketball team. I am more embarrassed with have "fans" like you...
A young team, with the best player hurt. I fully admit, we shouldn't be losing to teams like Savannah St, but its going to take a hell of a lot more than that for me to turn my back on Tinkle and the team.
We just lost to a team that is 350 out if 351...at home!! I mean we beat the crap outta souther Oregon at exhibition play!! Yet we can't beat a next to last worst team in the country?? I know we got young players, but for heck sake! We got highly talent players who can't beat one of the next worst programs in the nation. I dunno bout u, but I'm gunna switch my attention to beavers baseball.
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Post by 93beav on Dec 12, 2016 12:50:23 GMT -8
I am more embarrassed with have "fans" like you...
A young team, with the best player hurt. I fully admit, we shouldn't be losing to teams like Savannah St, but its going to take a hell of a lot more than that for me to turn my back on Tinkle and the team.
We just lost to a team that is 350 out if 351...at home!! I mean we beat the crap outta souther Oregon at exhibition play!! Yet we can't beat a next to last worst team in the country?? I know we got young players, but for heck sake! We got highly talent players who can't beat one of the next worst programs in the nation. I dunno bout u, but I'm gunna switch my attention to beavers baseball. For someone who is done you spend a lot of extra time responding to posts... They lost, get over it. If they suck at the midway point and you don't see any progress at all, then feel free to get the tar and feathers. But with knee-jerk reactions like that you'd probably have every coach fired for some discretion or another. Are they disappointing? Sure. For some reason everyone keeps saying we can't blame it on freshman or injuries because everyone deals with that. BS. We have lots of freshman, a walk-on, our star player injured and another player injured. Should they still have beaten SS? Probably. But swinging that far with the highs and the lows will only lead to massive disappointment at some point. Or bipolar disorder. Your choice.
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Post by Beavcat on Dec 12, 2016 12:51:20 GMT -8
Since you don't care, I'll say it. You sound like a duck football fan. Lighten up, Nut. Hah!!..no I'm no uck fan, I hate that TDTR with fiery passion, I hate the entire campus, I hate all the sports teams of ucks. That's my point, Nut. You're obviously not a duck fan, but you are exhibiting traits of the typical bandwagon duck fan that we all so gleefully mock. Turning your back on a team for some bad losses, really? Are you going to tear up your diploma too? Assuming you went to school at OSU they are YOUR team, win or lose; nut up and own it. If you didn't go to OSU then go root for the Harlem Globetrotters; less disappointment that way.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 12, 2016 12:56:29 GMT -8
I love the tagline though!
"Millennial Die hard Beavers Football, basketball and baseball fan. I Bleed Orange and see Orange! GO BEAVS!!"
Or not...
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Post by orangeblood on Dec 12, 2016 13:17:36 GMT -8
You're either a fan or you're not a fan. There is no in between in my book. Yes, I am disappointed with the team, and yes, it is very hard to watch and even harder to take, as a diehard.
It's your choice - be a fan or not, but a "fan" who is only a fan when things are going well is not a fan, he/she is a weakling.
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 12, 2016 13:59:39 GMT -8
I am more embarrassed with have "fans" like you...
A young team, with the best player hurt. I fully admit, we shouldn't be losing to teams like Savannah St, but its going to take a hell of a lot more than that for me to turn my back on Tinkle and the team.
We just lost to a team that is 350 out if 351...at home!! I mean we beat the crap outta souther Oregon at exhibition play!! Yet we can't beat a next to last worst team in the country?? I know we got young players, but for heck sake! We got highly talent players who can't beat one of the next worst programs in the nation. I dunno bout u, but I'm gunna switch my attention to beavers baseball. Do we? Tinkle is hurt and DNP. Thompson, while talented and a legit Pac12 player at this time is not ready to carry a team. Eubanks, he had a solid game yesterday, but as you said it was against a poor team. When playing against Pac12 level players, he is not there....yet. JMac, has the potential to be good/great, but definitely not there yet. The rest of the roster? At this time is no where near Pac12 level quality. We have two Pac12 level players, two with potential, and 8 others who are role players at best. So, I disagree with you that we have highly talented players.
I am not arguing that we shouldn't have lost to them, we should have crushed them, I agree. But, I am not jumping on a fire Wayne Tinkle bandwagon because this team is struggling right now. I think come this time next year, if the young players develop and this should be a top level Pac12 team. Time will tell.
But enjoy your two months off from Beaver sport until Baseball starts. Since you only want to support winning teams though, you could also follow the women's team. They are pretty good...
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 12, 2016 15:41:26 GMT -8
Way too early to fire anyone at this point. Team had injuries that would have picked a few more wins had they been there.
Also keep in mind last year the team did overachieve in my opinion. Very favorable schedule towards the end, and a lot of Pac-12 teams weren't very good. GPII was able to coast to get us enough needed wins for the NCAA.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 12, 2016 18:12:10 GMT -8
What a bunch of whiny crybabies, the Beavers had a bad loss, it was ugly, we can't win blah blah blah. Folks, this program was a train wreck when Coach Tinkle took over and he has done more to move this program forward in two years than the last 6 coaches combined. Not one of whom made the NCAA's or even came close. Crap happens and we saw a major pile dropped on the floor yesterday afternoon no doubt. Those losses will happen from time to time with young teams. The question is what happens next? Play like they did yesterday and they may not win a another, definitely not one in the PAC. Or, toughen up, listen to your coaches and perform like players that got recruited to a D1, Power 5 Conference College and have some game to work with. Basketball is a team sport and yesterday there were 12 young men who played as individuals and not as a team.You cannot coach leadership and right now we lack a leader on the court. They looked slow, confused and clueless on both ends of the court. No one stepped up put the team on their back and led them to a win. It was there to do but not one player risked attempting to make something happen. There are lots of reasons why that happens, coaching may be a part of it but before we jump to that conclusion it remains to be seen where the season ends and how this group grows and comes together or does not come together. The choice is clear, learn, grow and improve or implode, blame and quit. I expect the season to improve and for the future to be bright. If we are seeing this 2-3 seasons from now it will be time for another coach. But not until then. The story is not finished. I agree with the main point of your post... it is not time to think of firing WT. But, as proven by those "passengers on the last train", it was not quite the wreck some thought. There were not a lot of highly ranked recruits, but they could play team ball and were coachable. Something I have not yet seen from the last two classes. Also... I 've not seen much improvement in some issues many complained about under CR... any semblance of an offense, especially versus a zone... being able to defend the 3 pt line... help side D... out of bounds play and efficiency... being able to defend dribble penetration. Now... going to a "dance" has to do with many things, not just W's. In last years Pac12/NCAA I could see (1) of CR's teams making the field... so there is more than just WT's influence involved in making the tourney last year. So, in my mind he got a little too much credit when it really was a bunch of holdovers and GPII (CR's recruit really) that deserved most of the credit. They made some adjustments, but the coaching they received prior could not have been all bad, because if they had made such a fantastic leap from WT's coaching (from CR being so poor of a coach) we would not see such atrocious play now out of supposedly better players. All in all... I was not a CR fan, but he did some good things and tried to surround himself with quality assistants much the same as WT. I just did not see the program as rock bottom as some, hence other than the "tourney invite" I do not see the program any further along than it was when CR left. I'm not on the "fire WT" bus... but, do think breaking the "danceless" streak has colored some glasses.
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Post by mountainbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 10:07:29 GMT -8
Sheesh, one bad season and you quit? We lose 5 seniors, plus 2 key losses in Bruce and Duvivier. Of your 3 new recruits, 1 is recovering from ACL injury and the other is struggling with academics. Throw in your 2 best returnees being injured for long periods and its a perfect mix for being a mess. It's a finer line than most think between being decent and not. UCLA finished last in the pac 12 last year. This year, they're #2 in the country. This year looked like a rugged year even without the problems we've had. I do think Tinkle will coach the kids out from the abyss but it's going to be a long season. I honestly think in the long run we may be better for it. Lots of young inexperienced players will grow from being thrown in to the fire early. The last 2 seasons were the most enjoyable for me as a fan in the last 25 years. Did Tinkle suddenly forget how to coach? I think not. I'll root hard for this team to start figuring it out. Hopefully they'll start showing signs of growth as this lost season progresses.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 10:45:30 GMT -8
I'm not hoping on the Fire Tinkle Wagon, hell, I"m not even hopping on it if it came around! One question though. Why did Bruce and Duvivier quit? I haven't visited the hoops board much so I'm most likely out of the loop. Wondering if there is a behind the scenes chemistry issue between players, players and coach(es), etc. Seems kind of like there's something deeper affecting the team's mojo.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 13, 2016 10:59:53 GMT -8
I'm not hoping on the Fire Tinkle Wagon, hell, I"m not even hopping on it if it came around! One question though. Why did Bruce and Duvivier quit? I haven't visited the hoops board much so I'm most likely out of the loop. Wondering if there is a behind the scenes chemistry issue between players, players and coach(es), etc. Seems kind of like there's something deeper affecting the team's mojo. Malcolm left due to personal issues and is now back home in Toronto(?), no other details released. Bruce left because he didn't realize you also have to attend class. that's the college part of college basketball. He's at a JC in Florida now.
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