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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 7, 2016 12:23:45 GMT -8
Last couple classes at talent rich South Florida ranked in the mid 60's. That appears very good for us and our future and not so good for sdtr's.
He's in for an eye opener. Only played two ranked teams the entire 2016 season and lost them both.
In comparison the stdr played 5 ranked opponents this year and will probably face a similar number next year. They did lose all five so I guess there's that in favor of lowering expectations for the new guy.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 7, 2016 13:33:14 GMT -8
You act like he's going to be playing Oregon's schedule with USF's players. He'll have more to work with at Oregon. Also, it's not exactly like previous USF coaches were raking in top prospects....I went back over a decade and they only had one recruiting class better than 40. So he went 10-2 with average (at best) recruits. Imagine what he might be able to do at a school with top 20 talent? Sort of like what Riley-backers were saying - wait until he's coaching at a school where he can pull in top 20 recruiting classes.
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Dec 7, 2016 14:32:12 GMT -8
You act like he's going to be playing Oregon's schedule with USF's players. He'll have more to work with at Oregon. Also, it's not exactly like previous USF coaches were raking in top prospects....I went back over a decade and they only had one recruiting class better than 40. So he went 10-2 with average (at best) recruits. Imagine what he might be able to do at a school with top 20 talent? Sort of like what Riley-backers were saying - wait until he's coaching at a school where he can pull in top 20 recruiting classes. So you're saying he won't do any better at oregon, then. Got it. Sorry, I couldn't resist. |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 7, 2016 19:16:33 GMT -8
You act like he's going to be playing Oregon's schedule with USF's players. He'll have more to work with at Oregon. Also, it's not exactly like previous USF coaches were raking in top prospects....I went back over a decade and they only had one recruiting class better than 40. So he went 10-2 with average (at best) recruits. Imagine what he might be able to do at a school with top 20 talent? Sort of like what Riley-backers were saying - wait until he's coaching at a school where he can pull in top 20 recruiting classes. So you're saying he won't do any better at oregon, then. Got it. Sorry, I couldn't resist. OSU never finished 9-3 under Riley that I recall |
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Post by osubeavs721 on Dec 7, 2016 19:28:38 GMT -8
No he can't... he recruited worse classes at USF than his predecessor and I believe he's lost 3 recruits to us in 2 years. Also worth mentioning, his teams are awful on defense. This wasn't a good hire for those guys. He might be a little better than Helfrich but he's not fire helfrich to get worthy.
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Dec 7, 2016 20:52:08 GMT -8
So you're saying he won't do any better at oregon, then. Got it. Sorry, I couldn't resist. OSU never finished 9-3 under Riley that I recall 2012 |
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 7, 2016 21:41:47 GMT -8
You act like he's going to be playing Oregon's schedule with USF's players. He'll have more to work with at Oregon. Also, it's not exactly like previous USF coaches were raking in top prospects....I went back over a decade and they only had one recruiting class better than 40. So he went 10-2 with average (at best) recruits. Imagine what he might be able to do at a school with top 20 talent? Sort of like what Riley-backers were saying - wait until he's coaching at a school where he can pull in top 20 recruiting classes. You make it sound as if he had no talent around him in South Florida to recruit or work with. If he was at a severe talent disadvantage there with all the talent around him, recruiting isn't going to be easier at oregon. Florida has far more D-1 talent in single counties than the entire state of Oregon. He'll play ranked teams next year with mostly the same oregon players who were 0-5 verse ranked teams this year at oregon. They'll be a year more experienced and more developed physically, but they also lose some key players too I think. |
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Post by damnstraight on Dec 7, 2016 22:21:00 GMT -8
Of course everyone here is aware that Coach Telly Lockett coached for Taggert at USF for two years, 2013-14. This led Canzano to state he thought Taggert should make a call to Lockett and try to poach him away. Lets hope Coach Andersen has Coach Lockett safely hidden away somewhere on the recruiting trail.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 8, 2016 8:29:33 GMT -8
9-3 regular season. 9-4 after Alamo Bowl. 2007 and 2008 were also 9-4 seasons (8-4 regular seasons plus a bowl win). 2006 was a 10 win season (10-4). 9-4 regular season (including winning 8 of the last 9 ....including the bowl game). You're right, I forgot about 2012. I was referring to 3 loss regular seasons. I know that we finished with 9 or better wins often. My basic point was that, with a win in the Music City Bowl vs. Tennessee, Riley will have bested any season at Nebraska since 2003 in terms of win percentage, and he did it in a year when there are four other teams in the B1G ranked in the top ten in the nation. It'd also be better than any season he ever had at Oregon State. And he's doing it with a dual threat quarterback that isn't suited to run the style of offense he knows how to coach the best. All of that to say that discounting what Taggart did at South Florida because he did it at South Florida might be a bit foolhardy. Nobody discounted Chris Petersen because he was winning all those games against Boise State's schedule. Yes, he was 9-5 against major conference teams, including an impressive 6-2 against ranked major conference teams. But, he was also just 2-3 and ranked mid-major conference teams. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 8, 2016 9:23:50 GMT -8
Last couple classes at talent rich South Florida ranked in the mid 60's. That appears very good for us and our future and not so good for sdtr's. He's in for an eye opener. Only played two ranked teams the entire 2016 season and lost them both. In comparison the stdr played 5 ranked opponents this year and will probably face a similar number next year. They did lose all five so I guess there's that in favor of lowering expectations for the new guy. Getting recruiting classes ranked in the 60s isn't all that bad when you're somewhere between the 4th and 10th biggest football school in your own state. South Florida didn't even have a football team 20 years ago. They have only been an FBS school for 15 years and play in a "lesser" conference. Probably the best way to compare his classes would be to compare his classes with the FAUs, FIUs, Rices and such. He's competing with a number of Power 5 schools already. Once he goes to a "name" school with money and facilities that can compete with anyone his fortunes in the area of recruiting very well could rise. |
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Dec 8, 2016 9:25:53 GMT -8
9-3 regular season. 9-4 after Alamo Bowl. 2007 and 2008 were also 9-4 seasons (8-4 regular seasons plus a bowl win). 2006 was a 10 win season (10-4). 9-4 regular season (including winning 8 of the last 9 ....including the bowl game). You're right, I forgot about 2012. I was referring to 3 loss regular seasons. I know that we finished with 9 or better wins often. My basic point was that, with a win in the Music City Bowl vs. Tennessee, Riley will have bested any season at Nebraska since 2003 in terms of win percentage, and he did it in a year when there are four other teams in the B1G ranked in the top ten in the nation. It'd also be better than any season he ever had at Oregon State. And he's doing it with a dual threat quarterback that isn't suited to run the style of offense he knows how to coach the best. All of that to say that discounting what Taggart did at South Florida because he did it at South Florida might be a bit foolhardy. Nobody discounted Chris Petersen because he was winning all those games against Boise State's schedule. Yes, he was 9-5 against major conference teams, including an impressive 6-2 against ranked major conference teams. But, he was also just 2-3 and ranked mid-major conference teams. He had a weak schedule this year. Only pure spin would challenge that |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:36:46 GMT -8
he will recruit more stars than Helflinch. Probably just on florida connections alone. But will he recruit the right guys for his system (whatever that is)?
My take is the d8x decided it is better to fire a good recruiter than a bad recruiter. At least the next guy has a lot to work with.
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