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Post by ag87 on Dec 4, 2016 14:03:01 GMT -8
Larry Culpepper has stole my thunder but here is ag'87's playoff proposal.
12 teams is the way to go. The college game is better than the NFL but the overt professional league does this better. The 12 are picked by the computers with margin of victory being allowed to be used. If you finish 12-0 or 13-0 you are automatically included and at least one group of five team is in the final 12. The following is what I think the computers would have picked: 1) Alabama 2) Ohio State 3) Washington 4) Michigan 5) Clemson 6) Penn State 7) Wisconsin 8) USC 9) Oklahoma 10) Colorado 11) Florida State 12) Western Michigan
The rules are: each seeded team in descending order either picks their opponent or their bowl game. (The six games are the Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar, Peach and Orange) The six winners proceed to the true playoff and the top two remaining seeds get a bye. So the weekend after the bowls, #3 plays #6 and #4 plays #5. Winners play #1 and #2 and you get the picture.
My wag on how the selection might go – Rose, Washington vs Wisconsin; Fiesta, Penn State vs Colorado; Cotton, Michigan vs Western Michigan; Sugar, Alabama vs Oklahoma: Peach, Ohio State vs Florida State; Orange, Clemson vs USC.
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Post by snohobeav on Dec 4, 2016 15:11:28 GMT -8
12 is the right number, but teams determined this way:
5 "power 5" champions are in. Top 3 ranked "group of 5" champs are in. 4 at-large picks
The top 4 seeds get first-round byes.
The regular season becomes hugely important. The "little guys" get a chance to earn their way in ON THE FIELD not by passing some mythical "eye test" (which is really the "are you a big name program" test).
Alabama Clemson Washington Penn State Oklahoma Western Michigan Temple G5 #3 Michigan Wisconsin Colorado USC
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Dec 4, 2016 15:27:07 GMT -8
I like that idea because it includes every conference as having some sort of shot, still makes the top four important since they'd get byes, and STILL allows for 3 at larges on top of those
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Post by ag87 on Dec 4, 2016 15:42:08 GMT -8
12 is the right number, but teams determined this way: 5 "power 5" champions are in. Top 3 ranked "group of 5" champs are in. 4 at-large picks The top 4 seeds get first-round byes. The regular season becomes hugely important. The "little guys" get a chance to earn their way in ON THE FIELD not by passing some mythical "eye test" (which is really the "are you a big name program" test). Alabama Clemson Washington Penn State Oklahoma Western Michigan Temple G5 #3 Michigan Wisconsin Colorado USC If you had the traditional New Year's day bowl games, the top four would have a bye. That would take a lot away from the tradition. Who were you thinking when you wrote G5? I've been looking at the likely suspects (Boise, San Diego, South Florida, BYU, Western Kentucky, Troy . . . no one seems to fit that)?
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 4, 2016 16:36:50 GMT -8
And after another three or four games to an already grueling season how many players do you expect will be standing at the end?
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Post by snohobeav on Dec 4, 2016 17:17:00 GMT -8
12 is the right number, but teams determined this way: 5 "power 5" champions are in. Top 3 ranked "group of 5" champs are in. 4 at-large picks The top 4 seeds get first-round byes. The regular season becomes hugely important. The "little guys" get a chance to earn their way in ON THE FIELD not by passing some mythical "eye test" (which is really the "are you a big name program" test). Alabama Clemson Washington Penn State Oklahoma Western Michigan Temple G5 #3 Michigan Wisconsin Colorado USC If you had the traditional New Year's day bowl games, the top four would have a bye. That would take a lot away from the tradition. Who were you thinking when you wrote G5? I've been looking at the likely suspects (Boise, San Diego, South Florida, BYU, Western Kentucky, Troy . . . no one seems to fit that)? Not sure who that G5 #3 would be. I didn't look through the rankings outside the top 25. Probably one of those you listed. True about the new years bowls. They're an unfortunate victim of any system other than the old "champion by polls" system. Cut the regular season to 11 games, everyone playing 9 conference games, no IAA games (they'll her a piece of the huge playoff pie). Start the playoff in mid-December. If it's too many games, still cut to an 11-game regular season and have an 8-team playoff. The 5 power 5 champs, highest ranked G5 champ plus 2 at large. This year that would probably mean the 2 at-large would be Ohio State & Michigan since Barry Alvarez would say they pass the "eye test". Maybe include a rule that no conference can have more than 2 teams in. That third team (Michigan) should have played better. Conference championships have to matter. Why else have them? Take as much of the decision making out of the hands of blue-blood, old school biased committee members and put it on the field.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Dec 4, 2016 17:19:51 GMT -8
And after another three or four games to an already grueling season how many players do you expect will be standing at the end? The same way every level of high school, NAIA or other NCAA divisions do lol
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Post by biggieorange on Dec 5, 2016 12:55:47 GMT -8
I agree 12 is the way to go, and they could dump 1 preseason meaningless game anyway and we could have football all thru the month of December.
It would be glorious.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 5, 2016 14:45:32 GMT -8
The same way every level of high school, NAIA or other NCAA divisions do lol Would you want to exchange that for a 11 game regular season (that ends in mid-November)? The game is evolving into a more skill-based competition and is a little less punishing than the old days IMO. Player safety has gone a long way with this.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 5, 2016 15:37:51 GMT -8
I agree 12 is the way to go, and they could dump 1 preseason meaningless game anyway and we could have football all thru the month of December. It would be glorious. No, it really wouldn't be. Thanks for that hard hitting analysis... It is fine to have an opinion, even a contrary one. but SAY WHY man. Why is 12, 16 or 24 nonsense as you said in your other thread? Why is 12 not the way to go? There are 128 D-1 teams in football. The top 10%, as the 12 represent, do not deserve to dual it out? Is literally every single other level of football wrong? why is a 12 game playoff wrong for D-1 but FCS can run a 24 team one with fewer resources and more travel? How can the NAIA level do it without scholarship players and a overall budget that consists of a pot too small to take a piss in? Why can Oregon High Schools run a 32 team 6A playoff and have 5 additional football games after their 10 game regular season yet it is some terrible curse for D-1 ball? I cannot see why an expanded playoff, even at the expense of a single regular season game (which I find unnecessary) really wouldn't be "glorious"
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 5, 2016 15:49:52 GMT -8
And after another three or four games to an already grueling season how many players do you expect will be standing at the end? The same way every level of high school, NAIA or other NCAA divisions do lol Arguably, D-1 players are bigger/faster/stronger and hit harder and blah, blah, blah. I believe you can mitigate this with allowing every team to have a second bye week in season, as well as a bye before playoffs and then a bye week in the middle and then one before the championship game Napkin math puts D-1 championship game at first or second weekend of February. Basically when it is now. Basically: Conference championship week bye Round 1 (8 teams, 4 games, top 4 have a bye) round 2 ( 8 teams, 4 games, top 4 playing winners of round 1) bye round 2 (4 teams, 2 games) bye championship (duh) Lets also not forget the NFL plays 16 then has the playoffs... An FCS team that wins the championship plays 11 regular games then have an up-to 5 game playoff!! D-1 would not have an unusual burden with a regular season and a shortened playoff. still at 16 or maybe 17 total games.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 5, 2016 18:56:19 GMT -8
When the TV money dries up in a decade or so, will these conference break apart? Maybe it becomes more regional? Do they limit conferences to 10 teams, everyone plays a 9 game round robin schedule, and it just so works out that the playoffs feature the conference champions plus the highest ranked smaller conference champs? I'm very interested to see where this is headed.
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Post by beaverdreams on Dec 5, 2016 21:46:42 GMT -8
Screw the playoff.....give me the bowls any day. Rose Bowl...the grandaddy, used to be all that mattered to us western fans anyhow. I hope I live long enough to see the Beavs make it there again.....a playoff pretty much decimates the bowl season.
I know it just killed the east coast fat cats that they couldn't get a piece of the (Rose Bowl) action. I don't even like a 4 game playoff......who really needed a 'national champion' anyhow until ESPN and their sausage-fingered cronies told us we needed one? Some of what makes college football a beautiful thing is its traditions and unNFL-like way of doing things....and as I've said a 1000 times, the regular season IS your playoff....every week has meaning.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 6, 2016 7:16:33 GMT -8
After seeing Pac 8/10/12 teams get screwed out of National Championships many times over the years I'm glad for any kind of playoff.
This year Washington has a chance to go all the way, under the old bowl system no way. If it was a larger field USC might get a shot depending on pairings, and they're playing well enough now that a run could happen.
After the 2000 season ended the head coach at Miami was quoted he was relieved we were paired against Notre Dame... he was worried about drawing OSU and thought our end of season run had us looking like the team to beat that year. Would anyone really prefer a Rose Bowl match-up with #13 Purdue that year over a shot at the NC?
Head to head competition against the best could change the "east coast bias" theory, one way or the other depending on how western teams do.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 6, 2016 7:23:50 GMT -8
No, it really wouldn't be. Thanks for that hard hitting analysis... It is fine to have an opinion, even a contrary one. but SAY WHY man. Why is 12, 16 or 24 nonsense as you said in your other thread? Why is 12 not the way to go? There are 128 D-1 teams in football. The top 10%, as the 12 represent, do not deserve to dual it out? Is literally every single other level of football wrong? why is a 12 game playoff wrong for D-1 but FCS can run a 24 team one with fewer resources and more travel? How can the NAIA level do it without scholarship players and a overall budget that consists of a pot too small to take a piss in? Why can Oregon High Schools run a 32 team 6A playoff and have 5 additional football games after their 10 game regular season yet it is some terrible curse for D-1 ball?I'm guessing that the travel cost and logistics of going from Eugene to Hillsboro a couple weeks in a row versus flying to Columbus, Ann Arbor, Norman or Pasadena in consecutive weeks isn't quite in the same ballpark.
And the 32 team 6A playoff is the most ridiculous thing ever. Blowout after blowout. 2-7 South Eugene (#31 seed) voluntarily forfeited their playoff game this year versus trying to play shorthanded versus Jesuit. That's right, 2-7 gets you in the dance and you're not even the lowest seed. Let's not use 6A football as a model.
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