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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 1, 2016 8:13:20 GMT -8
Strong end to the season for sure, but there are question marks in our own future.
Not long ago Baldwin was a sure as gone. Is that true? Interestingly enough, Baldwin was an absolute fixture on the sidelines and nearly always the first coach talking to the QB when they came off. Did anybody notice that? that is a lot of contact with the QB for our "Outside receivers" coach. He really seemed like the guy stepping up and giving the QB his pep talks. Not sure if anybody else saw that?
Are we staying the course with the OC? my gut says yes. Not just CGA loyalty, but because with a better QB, a solidified line and Ryan Nall we looked universes better.
Do we stay steady or are there some changes in our future?
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Post by nabeav on Dec 1, 2016 8:43:11 GMT -8
Seems silly to shuffle things around with the improvement we showed over the course of the season. I only think changes should be if absolutely necessary. Last year was such an unmitigated disaster on the offensive side of the ball, something definitely had to change.
Another thing I wonder about is what the D would've looked like if Sitake hadn't been snatched away by BYU. Would he have gotten better results with another year of his direction? Would the defensive backs been as effective? Would GA have coached D-Line? I didn't pay a lick of attention to BYU this season, but a quick look at their schedule shows they went 8-4 with their four losses coming by a TOTAL of 8 points. Those losses were at Utah (20-19), home to UCLA (17-14, UCLA still had Rosen), home to West Virginia (35-32, WVU is 9-2 and currently ranked 14th), and at Boise St. (28-27). The got wins against a Pac-12, a Big Ten, and an SEC team this year.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 1, 2016 9:01:16 GMT -8
A couple quick and obvious points.
Whatever happened with Baldwin last year, a change had to be made. And if he is better suited for this role and comfortable in it, don't change it. It appears he went from a liability to an asset.
OS went in to this season with injuries, a QB with little experience, and a new OC(s).
OS is one of the youngest teams in the Pac 12. A ton of sophs, RSF, and freshmen got valuable playing time. WHile we lose some key veterans, as all college teams do, the core of this team will still be together for 2 years.
The effort and toughness OSU exhibited all year says a ton about the impact this coaching staff has instilled in 85 (or 65) young men. Even when it was down, it never once quit. And you know who else is buying in...recruits.
Finally, the value of stability can not be understated. You make changes when changes need to be made, but right now I don't think you change a thing. We got a glimpse of what this offense can do, how it creates mismatches and how to attack them. It's something to build on and add too for the future, not scrapped.
The future is bright. I truly believe CGA will have this program competing for a Pac 12 championship within 5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 9:36:07 GMT -8
Seems silly to shuffle things around with the improvement we showed over the course of the season. I only think changes should be if absolutely necessary. Last year was such an unmitigated disaster on the offensive side of the ball, something definitely had to change. Another thing I wonder about is what the D would've looked like if Sitake hadn't been snatched away by BYU. Would he have gotten better results with another year of his direction? Would the defensive backs been as effective? Would GA have coached D-Line? I didn't pay a lick of attention to BYU this season, but a quick look at their schedule shows they went 8-4 with their four losses coming by a TOTAL of 8 points. Those losses were at Utah (20-19), home to UCLA (17-14, UCLA still had Rosen), home to West Virginia (35-32, WVU is 9-2 and currently ranked 14th), and at Boise St. (28-27). The got wins against a Pac-12, a Big Ten, and an SEC team this year. Sitake will coach BYU up and have a good D. But i felt like he wasn't invested in his season here and was blaming his players publicly. I think it was addition by subtraction. |
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Post by beavs6 on Dec 1, 2016 11:17:34 GMT -8
Regarding Baldwin:
I too think stability is good...however, will he take a pay cut? Doesn't he make $450,000 or so?(Highest compensated staff coach) If he is not the OC in title, I'm guessing he won't be the OC in compensation as well. Might make for some interesting conversations. Whether he stays or goes, my guess that everything will not stay status quo for 2017. If a change is made, I would think CGA could find a replacement of some kind.(whether an OC if he feels that is needed or just a position coach) If everyone is OK with roles/comp, so be it.
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Post by blackbug on Dec 1, 2016 21:15:58 GMT -8
Regarding Baldwin: I too think stability is good...however, will he take a pay cut? Doesn't he make $450,000 or so?(Highest compensated staff coach) If he is not the OC in title, I'm guessing he won't be the OC in compensation as well. Might make for some interesting conversations. Whether he stays or goes, my guess that everything will not stay status quo for 2017. If a change is made, I would think CGA could find a replacement of some kind.(whether an OC if he feels that is needed or just a position coach) If everyone is OK with roles/comp, so be it. Little publicized fact was Baldwin's, McGiven's and Woods' contracts were adjusted last offseason when the change was made in the coaching staff. I do not have the time to look up the details, but from what I know Baldwin is now in the mid 200,000s. I have heard some say that Baldwin will not be willing to stay in the current position. Personally I would like him to stay in the current position if he is willing. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Dec 1, 2016 22:05:32 GMT -8
Can we snag Matt Lubick from Oregon? I mean he once was at OSU albeit for a brief period with DE.....right before they made that run in the Fiesta. He can recruit. Whoever is the new HC at Oregon, I'm hoping he'll clean house. And maybe the beavs can pick up Matt Lubick as an offensive coach? He's a great recruiter wherever he goes. OSU, ASU, Duke. I can be wrong but in general, success follows him. If he's a great recruiter, he can identify talent and he probably connects with the recruits. I didn't even realize he was at UO. Dreaming but I think he'd be great.
For a while there, I was wondering if the Beavs were gonna do a repeat of the prior year. But, as CGA has said in so many of his press conferences(after losses), the team was playing hard. They bought into the process. They're still grinding. I like the way the Beavs finished. Offense seems to have an identity. But, if there are opportunities in improving the offense, defense and/or recruiting by acquiring a coach, I'm OK with it.
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 2, 2016 11:06:54 GMT -8
Can we snag Matt Lubick from Oregon? I mean he once was at OSU albeit for a brief period with DE.....right before they made that run in the Fiesta. He can recruit. Whoever is the new HC at Oregon, I'm hoping he'll clean house. And maybe the beavs can pick up Matt Lubick as an offensive coach? He's a great recruiter wherever he goes. OSU, ASU, Duke. I can be wrong but in general, success follows him. If he's a great recruiter, he can identify talent and he probably connects with the recruits. I didn't even realize he was at UO. Dreaming but I think he'd be great. For a while there, I was wondering if the Beavs were gonna do a repeat of the prior year. But, as CGA has said in so many of his press conferences(after losses), the team was playing hard. They bought into the process. They're still grinding. I like the way the Beavs finished. Offense seems to have an identity. But, if there are opportunities in improving the offense, defense and/or recruiting by acquiring a coach, I'm OK with it. All the Oregon coaches have been fired and signed termination papers. I guess its certainly possible the new coach could rehire them, but as of Wednesday. All Oregon coaches are no longer employed by the university. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Dec 2, 2016 11:24:04 GMT -8
And then it went back to Duck Coaches.... LOL. Not bothered at all, just ironic considering the subject of the thread.
Go BEAVS!
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Post by beavsaregood on Dec 2, 2016 12:21:54 GMT -8
Hey, Matt Lubick "was" a Beav coach. I forget who recruited at OSU in 99-00. So, mentioning him isn't entirely Yuck football.......He killed it recruiting-wise at ASU under DE and at Duke.
I am not sure how's he doing now but Matt Lubick "was" noted for being a great recruiter.
I'm just saying. Getting him (which I doubt the Beavs can pull off even if they wanted to) would be a plus.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 2, 2016 13:19:06 GMT -8
Can we snag Matt Lubick from Oregon? I mean he once was at OSU albeit for a brief period with DE.....right before they made that run in the Fiesta. He can recruit. Whoever is the new HC at Oregon, I'm hoping he'll clean house. And maybe the beavs can pick up Matt Lubick as an offensive coach? He's a great recruiter wherever he goes. OSU, ASU, Duke. I can be wrong but in general, success follows him. If he's a great recruiter, he can identify talent and he probably connects with the recruits. I didn't even realize he was at UO. Dreaming but I think he'd be great. For a while there, I was wondering if the Beavs were gonna do a repeat of the prior year. But, as CGA has said in so many of his press conferences(after losses), the team was playing hard. They bought into the process. They're still grinding. I like the way the Beavs finished. Offense seems to have an identity. But, if there are opportunities in improving the offense, defense and/or recruiting by acquiring a coach, I'm OK with it. All the Oregon coaches have been fired and signed termination papers. I guess its certainly possible the new coach could rehire them, but as of Wednesday. All Oregon coaches are no longer employed by the university. "Assistants are scheduled to earn their full salary through the end of their current contract year, which runs through January, then earn a portion of their 2017-18 salary, due to terms of their buyout clauses. With money still coming in, Neal said he doesn't feel rushed to make his decision." "In the interim Pellum said he and the rest of the assistants have full access to their offices --"keys are working, computers are on" -- so as to prepare for the future, whatever it holds. He made clear his belief the future for the 2017 Ducks is promising." Yes, they have been made aware they are fired but they are still operating until the new HC is in. In most HC firing situation, the head coach is out immediately and the assistants hold down the fort in the interim. There is still a team to manage, players to track, work outs to assign. all that. The writing is still on the wall of course. These guys know they are all out as soon as the new guy is in. but they are around in a way until then. It would be pretty crazy to fully sweep everybody out of the office and turn off the lights for a week, two weeks, whatever... |
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Post by beavineugene on Dec 2, 2016 13:34:34 GMT -8
All the Oregon coaches have been fired and signed termination papers. I guess its certainly possible the new coach could rehire them, but as of Wednesday. All Oregon coaches are no longer employed by the university. Are you sure? A Don Pellum article I read yesterday (but which I'm not sure the actual date/time of when the story was posted) quoted him as saying he and the other coaches have not been let go yet (e.g he said his keys to the building and computer still work).
I know one of the coaches pretty well and spoke with him yesterday. Just relaying what he told me...
Perhaps he was only referring to himself and I misunderstood. I do know for a fact he is done, papers signed.
I will add, just for fun. He was not a Helfrich fan, thought the staff deserved to be fired. And would have resigned had Helf been retained.
And since this is a Beaver Coaching thread. I will bring it back to topic so to speak. He said If GA was coaching the ucks this year, they are no worse than 9-3 and that we should be very lucky to have GA as our head coach.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 2, 2016 13:57:15 GMT -8
Are you sure? A Don Pellum article I read yesterday (but which I'm not sure the actual date/time of when the story was posted) quoted him as saying he and the other coaches have not been let go yet (e.g he said his keys to the building and computer still work).
I know one of the coaches pretty well and spoke with him yesterday. Just relaying what he told me...
Perhaps he was only referring to himself and I misunderstood. I do know for a fact he is done, papers signed.
I will add, just for fun. He was not a Helfrich fan, thought the staff deserved to be fired. And would have resigned had Helf been retained.
And since this is a Beaver Coaching thread. I will bring it back to topic so to speak. He said If GA was coaching the ucks this year, they are no worse than 9-3 and that we should be very lucky to have GA as our head coach.
Not saying you are wrong. They very likely did sign some papers about being terminated and all that. Usually (not always of course) assistants hang around and hold down the fort until the new HC is appointed. at least some of them do. It is clear Oregon fired everybody, and the only way anybody returns is if the new guy interviews and hires one of them. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 2, 2016 15:09:15 GMT -8
Hey, Matt Lubick "was" a Beav coach. I forget who recruited at OSU in 99-00. So, mentioning him isn't entirely Yuck football.......He killed it recruiting-wise at ASU under DE and at Duke. I am not sure how's he doing now but Matt Lubick "was" noted for being a great recruiter. I'm just saying. Getting him (which I doubt the Beavs can pull off even if they wanted to) would be a plus. Let's talk Brady Hoke then! |
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