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Post by sessbeav on Nov 28, 2016 7:28:42 GMT -8
So we lose
Bolden DeCoud Dockery Chappell Ortiz Harlow Stanton
Pretty significant contributors.
How do we look for next year with these losses?
I know a pretty good JC DB committed - any others?
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Post by justdamwin on Nov 28, 2016 8:10:58 GMT -8
Andrew on the Oline also Saulo at LB Other than the Oline where 3 of 5 are lost, really not a lot leaves. Maybe Db where DeCoud-Chappell represent a lot of plays in 2016 (and 2015) there will be some inexperience. But at both Oline and DB there's plenty of guys who have seen playing time. I guess my question is, which injured players return and which don't. Take Robinette for example; pull of your redshirt, play basically one game (2 part games) and get injured for the season. Tough on the psyche of a young man. Does his body come back to where it was. How much development time did he lose in rehab and not being able to do heavy workouts?
One skill player is lost. The Oline will be replenished and the offense will improve, just having some level of consistency in players/coaches/philosophy will improve the offense and I think the athletes will bet better at all positions (save one OT). I expect Paul Lucas to make strides as Nall and Pierce carry heavy loads and Lucas is allowed to us his speed and elusiveness on the edge. The Dline will be a force. You heard it here first, Aydon, Vaka, Pritchard, Napoleon, Savea and Houston plus whoever that will be a good group. If the LBs can develop an edge rusher and a legitimate ILB to go with Hungalu that front will be very good. I see Failauga moving to the inside, he dropped weight to play OLB moving from DE, so his natural weight is probably 240LB. That Hughes-Murray kid could play ILB also has a stout build to take on interior linemen. There's about 9 linebackers who've not seen PT, should be options and the ability to specialize guys a little. Portland State and Minnesota @ home Colorado State on the road. That's two if not three winnable games. This should be a Bowl bound team. That is my expectation, bowl game
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Post by vhalum92 on Nov 28, 2016 8:29:34 GMT -8
I agree... Bowl game or bust! My only concern is the O line.... bring in some JCs.... we need depth. Then after that... hopefully we figure out who our best QB is early and avoid the rotating QB. I think we are all wondering what this season would have been like if 3M was the starter from Day 1.... he clearly kept improving from game to game. Go BEAVS! Looking forward to the first work day post CW victory
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 28, 2016 8:55:13 GMT -8
So we lose Bolden DeCoud Dockery Chappell Ortiz Harlow Stanton Pretty significant contributors. How do we look for next year with these losses? I know a pretty good JC DB committed - any others? Without Bolden we won't be the bold n the beautiful. Without DeCoud, our defensive backfield could be DeCan't. We could be a Mockery without Dockery. Without Chappell, how are the Dixie Cups gonna get married? HARLOW STANTON (MUDD).... AAAGH, tribbles, nothing but tribbles! We're doomed.
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 28, 2016 9:39:28 GMT -8
I think we will just keep improving, we had so many guys go down with injuries and a lot of guys came in and were the "next man up". I think CGA has developed the backups well and has prepared them to step in and contribute in significant ways.
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 28, 2016 9:56:02 GMT -8
I am not quite as optimistic, talk to me after the recruiting season is in.
My main worries are:
1 QB 2 Oline 3 DB 4 WR
On the plus side we can't be this horrible at safety again, but Chappell and Decoud are big pieces to lose.
I like what 3M showed, but the fact that he was this Offensive staff's third pick is troubling. Given the uncertainty at OC, I am still worried we don't take a step forward. None of these QBs have me drooling over their talent, they seem serviceable which is fine, but I don't have much hope the current staff will "out-scheme" anyone consistently. The games OSU won, they did thru pounding the rock, which is great but does not work against the UW's and USC's of the league.
Also while the good feeling of 2 wins is nice, it came against some teams that really suck -so I'm not trying to read a bunch into it. I like what the staff did in just stuffing it down Zona and the DUcks throat, but teams have done that to both of those squads all season, ...their Run-D sucks.
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Post by blackbug on Nov 28, 2016 9:57:01 GMT -8
Andrew on the Oline also Saulo at LB Other than the Oline where 3 of 5 are lost, really not a lot leaves. Maybe Db where DeCoud-Chappell represent a lot of plays in 2016 (and 2015) there will be some inexperience. But at both Oline and DB there's plenty of guys who have seen playing time. I guess my question is, which injured players return and which don't. Take Robinette for example; pull of your redshirt, play basically one game (2 part games) and get injured for the season. Tough on the psyche of a young man. Does his body come back to where it was. How much development time did he lose in rehab and not being able to do heavy workouts? One skill player is lost. The Oline will be replenished and the offense will improve, just having some level of consistency in players/coaches/philosophy will improve the offense and I think the athletes will bet better at all positions (save one OT). I expect Paul Lucas to make strides as Nall and Pierce carry heavy loads and Lucas is allowed to us his speed and elusiveness on the edge. The Dline will be a force. You heard it here first, Aydon, Vaka, Pritchard, Napoleon, Savea and Houston plus whoever that will be a good group. If the LBs can develop an edge rusher and a legitimate ILB to go with Hungalu that front will be very good. I see Failauga moving to the inside, he dropped weight to play OLB moving from DE, so his natural weight is probably 240LB. That Hughes-Murray kid could play ILB also has a stout build to take on interior linemen. There's about 9 linebackers who've not seen PT, should be options and the ability to specialize guys a little. Portland State and Minnesota @ home Colorado State on the road. That's two if not three winnable games. This should be a Bowl bound team. That is my expectation, bowl game I am pretty sure that the athletes cannot bet on anything pertaining to the game . I hope they don't get better at this. I didn't particularly want to be the typo police, but I felt this one was too funny to not mention. The small little typo made me laugh.
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 28, 2016 14:36:25 GMT -8
I like next year - we are going to miss DeCoud and Chappell most of all, but we are going to have a solid offensive squad, and there were so many kids playing in the backfield by the end of the year that will be veterans next season. I am not super worried at qb - with the Wrecking Nall and Pierce coming back, good to even great wide receivers and a solid offensive line, we will need a game manager as much as a superstar passer, and I have to give credit to 3M for demonstrating that skill - how can you be worried about QB when he finished the season as a good passer, and suddenly pulled out the ability to run the read-option like he did.
No, our last two opponents were not great teams, but Oregon did beat Utah at Utah the week before they played us, and Arizona pancaked ASU the week after we played them. Don't discount just how much this team has grown.
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 28, 2016 16:32:37 GMT -8
I like next year - we are going to miss DeCoud and Chappell most of all, but we are going to have a solid offensive squad, and there were so many kids playing in the backfield by the end of the year that will be veterans next season. I am not super worried at qb - with the Wrecking Nall and Pierce coming back, good to even great wide receivers and a solid offensive line, we will need a game manager as much as a superstar passer, and I have to give credit to 3M for demonstrating that skill - how can you be worried about QB when he finished the season as a good passer, and suddenly pulled out the ability to run the read-option like he did. No, our last two opponents were not great teams, but Oregon did beat Utah at Utah the week before they played us, and Arizona pancaked ASU the week after we played them. Don't discount just how much this team has grown. I like 3M, but being realistic, he had the best passing days against the worse defenses in the League, by a WIDE margin. Granted I think it helped that Harlow got in the groove by the Utah game, but Zona, ASU, and UO were the bottom of the league. It is great we won, but I'm just not going to use those results alone to think GA and Co has this Offense thing totally figured out. Defensively, I can squint and see down the road a bit, and I think they will be above average (in the Pac12) by next season. Need a couple recruits to play early, but hopefully the JuCo pipeline can fill in there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 20:14:15 GMT -8
I am not quite as optimistic, talk to me after the recruiting season is in. My main worries are: 1 QB 2 Oline 3 DB 4 WR On the plus side we can't be this horrible at safety again, but Chappell and Decoud are big pieces to lose. I like what 3M showed, but the fact that he was this Offensive staff's third pick is troubling. Given the uncertainty at OC, I am still worried we don't take a step forward. None of these QBs have me drooling over their talent, they seem serviceable which is fine, but I don't have much hope the current staff will "out-scheme" anyone consistently. The games OSU won, they did thru pounding the rock, which is great but does not work against the UW's and USC's of the league. Also while the good feeling of 2 wins 3 WINS is nice, it came against some teams that really suck -so I'm not trying to read a bunch into it. I like what the staff did in just stuffing it down Zona and the DUcks throat, but teams have done that to both of those squads all season, ...their Run-D sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 20:18:50 GMT -8
interesting side note: look at these losses from the perspective of what they were NOT (traditional 4 year scholarship recruits)
Bolden DeCoud JC TRXFER Dockery TRXFER Chappell WALKON Ortiz WALKON Harlow Stanton JC TRXFER Andrews Saulo
So maybe don't be so critical or gloom and doom OR high in the sky over the recruiting class. Some good players may come later. Hopefully not too many if GA has his radar fine tuned.
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Post by justdamwin on Nov 28, 2016 20:52:32 GMT -8
interesting side note: look at these losses from the perspective of what they were NOT (traditional 4 year scholarship recruits) Bolden DeCoud JC TRXFER Dockery TRXFER Chappell WALKON Ortiz WALKON Harlow Stanton JC TRXFER Andrews Saulo So maybe don't be so critical or gloom and doom OR high in the sky over the recruiting class. Some good players may come later. Hopefully not too many if GA has his radar fine tuned. [ Stanton is a convert TE but not a JC transfer
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 29, 2016 0:30:23 GMT -8
Also while the good feeling of 2 wins is nice, it came against some teams that really suck -so I'm not trying to read a bunch into it. I like what the staff did in just stuffing it down Zona and the DUcks throat, but teams have done that to both of those squads all season, ...their Run-D sucks. we did have 3 wins this year. Have to agree that if we don't develop a consistent passing game then our RB's don't really matter that much, that was real evident this year that we they couldn't sustain a drive. I watched the EWU and WSU game and was sure envious of EWU offense compared to ours.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 29, 2016 8:47:32 GMT -8
I like next year - we are going to miss DeCoud and Chappell most of all, but we are going to have a solid offensive squad, and there were so many kids playing in the backfield by the end of the year that will be veterans next season. I am not super worried at qb - with the Wrecking Nall and Pierce coming back, good to even great wide receivers and a solid offensive line, we will need a game manager as much as a superstar passer, and I have to give credit to 3M for demonstrating that skill - how can you be worried about QB when he finished the season as a good passer, and suddenly pulled out the ability to run the read-option like he did. No, our last two opponents were not great teams, but Oregon did beat Utah at Utah the week before they played us, and Arizona pancaked ASU the week after we played them. Don't discount just how much this team has grown. I like 3M, but being realistic, he had the best passing days against the worse defenses in the League, by a WIDE margin. Granted I think it helped that Harlow got in the groove by the Utah game, but Zona, ASU, and UO were the bottom of the league. It is great we won, but I'm just not going to use those results alone to think GA and Co has this Offense thing totally figured out. Defensively, I can squint and see down the road a bit, and I think they will be above average (in the Pac12) by next season. Need a couple recruits to play early, but hopefully the JuCo pipeline can fill in there. Garretson's best stats came in game one against Minnesota. His stats against Idaho State? 50% completion, 0 TDs, 1 Int His stats against Cal? 54% completion, 0 TDs, 3 Int Garretson did not throw one single TD pass in the six games he played in after the Minnesota game. 3M showed substantial growth, don't really care who or what the competition was. He got better as the season wore on. Garretson did not.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 29, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -8
I like 3M, but being realistic, he had the best passing days against the worse defenses in the League, by a WIDE margin. Granted I think it helped that Harlow got in the groove by the Utah game, but Zona, ASU, and UO were the bottom of the league. It is great we won, but I'm just not going to use those results alone to think GA and Co has this Offense thing totally figured out. Defensively, I can squint and see down the road a bit, and I think they will be above average (in the Pac12) by next season. Need a couple recruits to play early, but hopefully the JuCo pipeline can fill in there. Garretson's best stats came in game one against Minnesota. His stats against Idaho State? 50% completion, 0 TDs, 1 Int His stats against Cal? 54% completion, 0 TDs, 3 Int Garretson did not throw one single TD pass in the six games he played in after the Minnesota game. 3M showed substantial growth, don't really care who or what the competition was. He got better as the season wore on. Garretson did not. Seemed like something happened to DG, either mentally or physically. Or both. Towards the end of his run he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Not even close. It was just weird.
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