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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2016 12:35:39 GMT -8
The rule is a player cannot pass the line of scrimmage until the kicker/player makes contact with the ball correct? If so it looks like everyone is onside. That is correct. Is that play reviewable? I was yelling at CGA to review it, but Oregon got to the line and hiked it quickly. Also, that PI call on DeCoud was atrocious. I think that the Oregon player drew it by cutting off his route. It made DeCoud look like he pushed off. The replay clearly showed otherwise. Still, the ref has to see the penalty. He cannot just guess that DeCoud pushed off, if he does not have the angle.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2016 12:42:25 GMT -8
The rule is a player cannot pass the line of scrimmage until the kicker/player makes contact with the ball correct? If so it looks like everyone is onside. That is correct. Is that play reviewable? I was yelling at CGA to review it, but Oregon got to the line and hiked it quickly. the only reviewable penalty to my knowledge is targeting. and it is required because the player is required to be ejected. nearly positive no penalty call is reviewable.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2016 12:56:21 GMT -8
That is correct. Is that play reviewable? I was yelling at CGA to review it, but Oregon got to the line and hiked it quickly. the only reviewable penalty to my knowledge is targeting. and it is required because the player is required to be ejected. nearly positive no penalty call is reviewable. I know that receivers going out of bounds and coming back in is a reviewable play, as well. That was an issue in the Michigan State-Nebraska game last year. I believe that offsides is reviewable the other way, as in, if the kicking team recovers a kick and the player is offsides, that is a reviewable play. Illegal blocking (blocking before a ball goes the required 10 yards) on onside kicks is also a reviewable call and point of emphasis, as well. Also, whether a ball was tipped prior to pass interference occurring is also a reviewable call, as was demonstrated poorly in the dismally-officiated Oklahoma-Oregon game from years back. I just do not know about offsides. I have never seen it biffed so bad.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 29, 2016 15:45:42 GMT -8
With regards to the DeCoud pass interference call, I got a text from a friend in the stadium saying he thought it was PI live, but the replay showed otherwise. If he thought it was PI at first blush, I'm guessing it wasn't completely insane that the ref saw it that way as well, without the benefit of a replay to help him out.
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 29, 2016 22:08:00 GMT -8
With regards to the DeCoud pass interference call, I got a text from a friend in the stadium saying he thought it was PI live, but the replay showed otherwise. If he thought it was PI at first blush, I'm guessing it wasn't completely insane that the ref saw it that way as well, without the benefit of a replay to help him out. I was there with a large group and we all agreed there was ZERO PI on that play in person and confirmed on the Jumbotron. Even the rude *uck fans got real quiet when #14 came down with the rock.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2016 12:11:40 GMT -8
With regards to the DeCoud pass interference call, I got a text from a friend in the stadium saying he thought it was PI live, but the replay showed otherwise. If he thought it was PI at first blush, I'm guessing it wasn't completely insane that the ref saw it that way as well, without the benefit of a replay to help him out. Watching the play, I can say that it was not completely insane. It was 100% wrong, though. Referees have to see a penalty. They cannot just throw flags because they think that there was probably a penalty. Same problem as in the Arizona game, when the quarterback hipchecked a defender out of bounds and then fell down and the referees called a flag on the defender. They threw the flag, because it looked like there was a penalty, but they did not actually see the penalty. In soccer, the Arizona QB would have earned a yellow for diving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:37:26 GMT -8
Anybody know how Charles Nelson Riley wasn't suspended for the first half after his targeting ejection in the Utah game? Can't figure that one out.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2016 12:38:19 GMT -8
With regards to the DeCoud pass interference call, I got a text from a friend in the stadium saying he thought it was PI live, but the replay showed otherwise. If he thought it was PI at first blush, I'm guessing it wasn't completely insane that the ref saw it that way as well, without the benefit of a replay to help him out. Watching the play, I can say that it was not completely insane. It was 100% wrong, though. Referees have to see a penalty. They cannot just throw flags because they think that there was probably a penalty. Same problem as in the Arizona game, when the quarterback hipchecked a defender out of bounds and then fell down and the referees called a flag on the defender. They threw the flag, because it looked like there was a penalty, but they did not actually see the penalty. In soccer, the Arizona QB would have earned a yellow for diving. I haven't watched the Arizona game on TV, but on stadium replay, it looked as if the AZ QB grabbed and dragged the defender down with him, making it look to the refs like the defender wasn't letting up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2016 12:43:56 GMT -8
Watching the play, I can say that it was not completely insane. It was 100% wrong, though. Referees have to see a penalty. They cannot just throw flags because they think that there was probably a penalty. Same problem as in the Arizona game, when the quarterback hipchecked a defender out of bounds and then fell down and the referees called a flag on the defender. They threw the flag, because it looked like there was a penalty, but they did not actually see the penalty. In soccer, the Arizona QB would have earned a yellow for diving. I haven't watched the Arizona game on TV, but on stadium replay, it looked as if the AZ QB grabbed and dragged the defender down with him, making it look to the refs like the defender wasn't letting up. Exactly what happened. That should not have been a flag either, but it "looked" like a penalty, so it was called.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 30, 2016 13:31:11 GMT -8
This is a never-ending argument. What happens the next time there is an actual penalty that goes unflagged because the referee only thought it "looked" like a penalty, but couldn't prove it was a penalty because a player uninvolved with the play ran through his field of vision and he didn't actually "see" the offending player grab a jersey? All he sees is a wide receiver with a step miraculously caught from behind and a jersey that was tucked now untucked. Refs have to call the game based on their view of the game. They aren't going to get it right, and they don't have the benefit of six camera angles from which to form their opinion.
Being a ref sucks. I reffed 3rd grade girls games for a while, and I would occasionally let traveling violations go....you know, so that the girls actually got to play basketball rather than spending an hour handing the ball to me and moving to the other end of the court. My rule was that if the travel gave the girl no immediate advantage and wasn't the equivalent of a Ryan Nall run up the gut, I'd let it go. I would explain this to the coaches before the game, but the crowd wasn't privy to that discussion, and I had plenty of parents waiting for me after the game to let me know exactly what they thought of my decisions. You literally and figuratively cannot win as a referee.
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Post by blackbug on Nov 30, 2016 17:57:26 GMT -8
Anybody know how Charles Nelson Riley wasn't suspended for the first half after his targeting ejection in the Utah game? Can't figure that one out. He was ejected for the remainder of the Utah game. As the penalty happened in the first half it ddid not extend to the next game.
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Post by nsh03 on Nov 30, 2016 21:52:15 GMT -8
This is a never-ending argument. What happens the next time there is an actual penalty that goes unflagged because the referee only thought it "looked" like a penalty, but couldn't prove it was a penalty because a player uninvolved with the play ran through his field of vision and he didn't actually "see" the offending player grab a jersey? All he sees is a wide receiver with a step miraculously caught from behind and a jersey that was tucked now untucked. Refs have to call the game based on their view of the game. They aren't going to get it right, and they don't have the benefit of six camera angles from which to form their opinion. I think that's what everyone else is saying. If you didn't see it happen, you don't throw the flag. As a referee, I was taught that if you didn't see it you don't call it, period. Yeah, sometimes someone gets away with something that you missed, and yeah, sometimes guys get upset when you don't call what they think should have been obvious to you, and I get that. But I was taught to let the players play the game unless I actually see something happen, and as a player, that's how I prefer games to be called as well. I'll live with a missed call that the referee simply did not see to make that decides a game a whole lot easier than a wrong call made by a referee because he called what he did not see that decides a game.
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Post by thomasg86 on Dec 2, 2016 11:51:22 GMT -8
Being a ref sucks. I reffed 3rd grade girls games for a while, and I would occasionally let traveling violations go....you know, so that the girls actually got to play basketball rather than spending an hour handing the ball to me and moving to the other end of the court. My rule was that if the travel gave the girl no immediate advantage and wasn't the equivalent of a Ryan Nall run up the gut, I'd let it go. I would explain this to the coaches before the game, but the crowd wasn't privy to that discussion, and I had plenty of parents waiting for me after the game to let me know exactly what they thought of my decisions. You literally and figuratively cannot win as a referee. Oh man. I also reffed kids basketball... anywhere from 3rd to 8th grade, boys and girls. Rec basketball mind you, nothing super competitive. It was ridiculous. I'll never forget a certain 5th grade girls basketball coach roaming the sideline in stilettos, screaming at us at the top of her lungs. She was so out of line. They are 11 year olds playing basketball. She already had one "T" and we really didn't want to give a second to her knowing she'd flip out but eventually we had to. Boy did she make a SCENE on her way out. The nicest coach was Antonio Harvey. He coached his son and he treated everybody with such respect. When we screwed up a call he was very nice. You are right though, the biggest issue was the parents. Not worth the $13 a game or whatever it was. A couple times I thought I would be assaulted on the way to my car. Having that experience has definitely made me more sympathetic towards the officials, however, they get paid a heck of a lot more so I expect a lot better than us yahoos doing kid's basketball.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 2, 2016 15:09:40 GMT -8
I ref'ed IM basketball one year at OSU - ugh!!!! I'm 53 and have never officiated another game in any sport.
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