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Post by jimbeav on Nov 26, 2016 22:03:58 GMT -8
Decoud's phantom PI on his interception and the offsides on the high pooch kick were both complete BS. And those plays combined could have easily caused the game to get out of hand. Guess the conference didn't want their beloved ducks to get embarrassed too bad...
GO BEAVS!
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Post by thomasg86 on Nov 28, 2016 18:17:50 GMT -8
 Here is a shot of that "offsides" call at the exact moment the ball was kicked... terrible. Not even close. It didn't end up mattering, as we forced a punt and ran it down their throat on the next possession, but if you are going to throw that flag as a referee you better be damn sure. Awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:32:53 GMT -8
That was offsides?
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 28, 2016 18:33:52 GMT -8
I don't think this was horrible. The image is at an angle. If the ref can't see the ball kicked, flag is thrown. I can see it being possible that Bolden's knee blocked the view of the ball leaving the tee.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 28, 2016 18:39:36 GMT -8
Btw, didn't we drop a couple more int opportunities? There were lots of opportunities to blow them out.
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 28, 2016 18:43:15 GMT -8
I don't think this was horrible. The image is at an angle. If the ref can't see the ball kicked, flag is thrown. I can see it being possible that Bolden's knee blocked the view of the ball leaving the tee. NONSENSE. If the ref can't see offsides relative to the kicked ball he shouldn't assume it. The call needs to made based on what he CAN see, not what he IMAGINES. |
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 28, 2016 18:59:39 GMT -8
I don't think this was horrible. The image is at an angle. If the ref can't see the ball kicked, flag is thrown. I can see it being possible that Bolden's knee blocked the view of the ball leaving the tee. NONSENSE. If the ref can't see offsides relative to the kicked ball he shouldn't assume it. The call needs to made based on what he CAN see, not what he IMAGINES. That's how refs are taught to call it. Stand on the line, if a player crosses your view before you see the ball kicked, it's offsides. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 28, 2016 19:31:48 GMT -8
NONSENSE. If the ref can't see offsides relative to the kicked ball he shouldn't assume it. The call needs to made based on what he CAN see, not what he IMAGINES. That's how refs are taught to call it. Stand on the line, if a player crosses your view before you see the ball kicked, it's offsides. If you can look at that photo and say it was the correct call, there's nothing I can say to persuade you otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 19:40:04 GMT -8
Btw, didn't we drop a couple more int opportunities? There were lots of opportunities to blow them out. and there was exactly 1 drop that would got them within 3. This game never had blowout in it's DNA. In fact i was amazed munt flubbed that catch because it looked exactly like an Alcoa fantastic finish with them scoring, kicking the PAT, and then kicked a pooch kick into that swirling wind which they would naturally recover and kick a fg for overtime. As soon as Owens missed that PAT i figured that was going to be important. Glad it was made Nall and void. |
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 29, 2016 0:38:32 GMT -8
I KNEW IT!! I felt the ref saw the trajectory of the kick, realized it could have been disastrous for Uncle Phil's Zero's and dropped the yellow towel to the turf just in case the ball came up Beavers?? I was there and I thought it was clean. |
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 29, 2016 0:43:02 GMT -8
The rule is a player cannot pass the line of scrimmage until the kicker/player makes contact with the ball correct? If so it looks like everyone is onside.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 29, 2016 1:49:31 GMT -8
I was irate about this call until I saw on a replay that the flag came out immediately - likely before the ref even realized the kick was a pooch, or the outcome of the kick was known. So I try to tell myself that while the ref might have imagined off sides, there was likely no deeper Machiavellian motives behind the flag.
"Do not try to ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained as stupidity".......at least that is what I try to tell myself.
Same with the Decoud PI - he *did* have both hands on the receiver, and that could be seen plain as day. Now, I didn't note when *that* flag was thrown, but I think it was after the INT was obvious (though that was a bang-bang play).
I guess it is easier to be magnanimous since we got the W. The image above of no offsides would have rankled me if the result was different.
It feels good! I haven't felt this way in about 8 years :-).
Go Beavs! Let's start our own 8 year streak!
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Post by obf on Nov 29, 2016 6:48:44 GMT -8
I was irate about this call until I saw on a replay that the flag came out immediately Except everyone in the stadium was calling for / anticipating that type of kick due to the weather... SO the ref could have been anticipating it as well... Either way he blew a call which is rarely blown, because the penalty isn't usually called unless the offsides is really egregious / obvious. So, either Helfritch got in the refs ear before the play to complain about an earlier kick off and this was a make up call, the ref anticipated trickery and threw the flag in case, or (occam's Razor) you are correct and the ref just made a bad call because he is incompetent (Pac-12 refs after all). All three cases are inexcusable. We replay review every other freaking play they should have let us review this one! |
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Post by snohobeav on Nov 29, 2016 7:47:29 GMT -8
As a point of clarification, the penalty is "offside" (singular), not "offsides" (plural). Just one of my pet peeves, like "back shoulder" and "catch the ball at its highest point" (you mean he jumped 20 feet in the air, which was its "highest point"?!)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2016 12:29:25 GMT -8
The rule is a player cannot pass the line of scrimmage until the kicker/player makes contact with the ball correct? If so it looks like everyone is onside. That is correct. Is that play reviewable? I was yelling at CGA to review it, but Oregon got to the line and hiked it quickly. |
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