bill82
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Post by bill82 on Dec 1, 2016 3:46:25 GMT -8
Wait... This whole thread is a joke right? This is all just sarcastic, dry humor??? Tinkle and the Beavers could literally lose every game for the rest of the season, and firing Wayne wouldn't even cross my mind. You guys are crazy with the "he can't recruit" and "he can't coach" talk. Recruiting someone you have a tangential (not fan/basketball) relationship with is just as hard if not harder than recruiting a stranger, in a lot of ways those recruiting efforts started 18 YEARS ago... So no you DON'T get to discount Tres and Stevie as just Coaches Sons... Speaking of Tres and Stevie, awfully hard to be winning games when you two best, veteran (if you can call ture sophomores veteran) are hurt... When the tournament comes around, we will see many teams with freshman and sophomores, playing with discipline and making the cut. Great coaching is the equalizer in basketball (i.e., Ralph Miller) and Tinkle appears at this point to fall way short. He is recruiting player with discipline problems and he seems to lack any discipline in his players. I hope it turns around. Painful to read about suspensions and watch sloppy play. Red flags. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 1, 2016 9:48:39 GMT -8
Sweet Jesus...where to begin... we are currently down to exactly 1 player who averaged more than 10 minutes last year and suddenly WT is a disaster?
- A player with "discipline problems" has been disciplined. This is what you would want a coach to do (unless you are a fan of TSDTR).
- We had the lowest turnover rate in the conference last year (11.3/g), so I'm guessing he suddenly didn't forget how to coach disciplined play in 9 months. In 2014-2015 we were 7th in TO rate, but 1st in TO margin.. we were also 1st in FG% defense. His last team at Montana was 1st in Big Sky in TO per game, 2nd in Assist/TO ratio, 3rd in scoring defense. These are pretty decent measures of disciplined play. (CR's last team finished 331 out of 345 D1 schools in TO margin).
It's been 27 years since Ralph Miller coached and he is the 7th winningest coach of all-time. I get that everyone does it, but IMO, kind of silly to use that as a benchmark.
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Post by bill82 on Dec 1, 2016 11:15:10 GMT -8
Sweet Jesus...where to begin... we are currently down to exactly 1 player who averaged more than 10 minutes last year and suddenly WT is a disaster? - A player with "discipline problems" has been disciplined. This is what you would want a coach to do (unless you are a fan of TSDTR). - We had the lowest turnover rate in the conference last year (11.3/g), so I'm guessing he suddenly didn't forget how to coach disciplined play in 9 months. In 2014-2015 we were 7th in TO rate, but 1st in TO margin.. we were also 1st in FG% defense. His last team at Montana was 1st in Big Sky in TO per game, 2nd in Assist/TO ratio, 3rd in scoring defense. These are pretty decent measures of disciplined play. (CR's last team finished 331 out of 345 D1 schools in TO margin). It's been 27 years since Ralph Miller coached and he is the 7th winningest coach of all-time. I get that everyone does it, but IMO, kind of silly to use that as a benchmark. I hope he turns it around. If he were a stock, I'm guessing most people outside Beaver-land are selling. I know he came in a hot prospect, but three years in and he is going backwards with team. Not ideal. Basketball is a sport that with two good players and great coaching you should be .500. Seems like we have two good players. If you don't think we have two good players after three recruiting cycles, that is another problem. |
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Post by orangeblood on Dec 1, 2016 15:48:27 GMT -8
Is this site really turning into the cesspool that Pure-Orange became or are there just too many ninth-graders with nothing else to do?
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Post by jdogge on Dec 1, 2016 15:54:58 GMT -8
Is this site really turning into the cesspool that Pure-Orange became or are there just too many ninth-graders with nothing else to do? Yeah, I know. Season I and II, Tinkle is a genius. Season III, injuries, graduations, defections for grades -- let's fire him. Early this season -- Anderson is overrated. Now, after the Civil War win, he's the right guy. Bandwagon fans. |
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Post by justdamwin on Dec 2, 2016 8:22:48 GMT -8
I am not sure how good of recruiter he is. 2 of their top players were his son and his assistants son and the assistant has another son on the way. They either need to pick up their recruiting or start having more kids... Bruce was a solid get: Tinkle can't go to class for him. Dew is supposed to be good: again, coach can't attend classes for him. Eubanks was a project last year. Still a project. McLoughlin looks pretty solid. Reichle is highly regarded. Doesn't help to have Stevie and Kone hurt. Not sure how that is Tinkle's fault. So, tell me, how is this all on Tinkle? Also, currently a big (literally) 4star recruit for 2018 Add to the situation, how poorly distributed the scholarships were under Craig Robinson represented in the 2015-16 roster. 5 Seniors 3- Juniors (one walk on?) Was there a sophomore on the team other than walk on Matt Dahlen? Balance freshmen. That is an example of of CR just was not running a good ship. Tinkle is working to get this rebalanced. |
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Post by beaverale on Dec 3, 2016 10:07:54 GMT -8
Bruce was a solid get: Tinkle can't go to class for him. Dew is supposed to be good: again, coach can't attend classes for him. Eubanks was a project last year. Still a project. McLoughlin looks pretty solid. Reichle is highly regarded. Doesn't help to have Stevie and Kone hurt. Not sure how that is Tinkle's fault. So, tell me, how is this all on Tinkle? Also, currently a big (literally) 4star recruit for 2018 Add to the situation, how poorly distributed the scholarships were under Craig Robinson represented in the 2015-16 roster. 5 Seniors 3- Juniors (one walk on?) Was there a sophomore on the team other than walk on Matt Dahlen? Balance freshmen. That is an example of of CR just was not running a good ship. Tinkle is working to get this rebalanced. Instead of worrying about balancing classes you need to bring as much talent as you can early. Worry about balancing classes when you are consistently winning otherwise recruiting gets that much tougher if you have losing seasons while you are bringing in JC guys who have no business playing at this level just to balance your class. I would argue CR brought in more talent his first 3 years than Tinkle has. Who wouldn't want Cunningham, Brandt, Burton, Nelson, Collier, Moreland, and Starks. CR couldn't coach, but could you imaging Tinkle with that roster? |
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Post by gnawitall on Dec 3, 2016 10:16:01 GMT -8
Maybe Stevie will redshirt and have 3 years with his brother.
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Post by justdamwin on Dec 5, 2016 20:07:08 GMT -8
Instead of worrying about balancing classes you need to bring as much talent as you can early. Worry about balancing classes when you are consistently winning otherwise recruiting gets that much tougher if you have losing seasons while you are bringing in JC guys who have no business playing at this level just to balance your class. I would argue CR brought in more talent his first 3 years than Tinkle has. Who wouldn't want Cunningham, Brandt, Burton, Nelson, Collier, Moreland, and Starks. CR couldn't coach, but could you imaging Tinkle with that roster? CR certainly brought in talent early in his tenure. Without watching Kone play I won't give CRs classes the nod. Will disagree with not rebalancing if you are in this long term. Dew and Stacy haven't turned out yet but GP2 wasn't instantly GP2 either, putting players with a littler more maturity on the court seems like a good idea. |
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Post by beaverale on Dec 5, 2016 21:52:08 GMT -8
Sure, but don't forget Robinson got GP2, JaQuori McLoughlin, and Cam Oliver. Not to mention Malcolm, and the seniors that contributed last year.
There is no denying Robinson's strength was recruiting. If Tinkle didn't have a son and we didn't have a Thompson on the staff I'm guessing our roster would look similar to what we have now without Tres and Stevie.
Too bad Robinson couldn't coach, though I will say he had much better inbound plays from the baseline than this current staff.
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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 28, 2022 18:41:13 GMT -8
That’s a f%#*ed up (but, possibly true) thing to say, FTD. Is there ANY WAY OSU can pay the recruiting coordinator (an African-American male) MORE than the HC? Asking for……..
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 28, 2022 18:46:35 GMT -8
Sure, but don't forget Robinson got GP2, JaQuori McLoughlin, and Cam Oliver. Not to mention Malcolm, and the seniors that contributed last year. There is no denying Robinson's strength was recruiting. If Tinkle didn't have a son and we didn't have a Thompson on the staff I'm guessing our roster would look similar to what we have now without Tres and Stevie. Too bad Robinson couldn't coach, though I will say he had much better inbound plays from the baseline than this current staff. recruiting primarily young African-American males is easier when your brother in law is POTUS. Trip to the White House? Meet the President who looks like me? Sign me up! Jimmy the Greek is in the house! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 28, 2022 23:50:37 GMT -8
recruiting primarily young African-American males is easier when your brother in law is POTUS. Trip to the White House? Meet the President who looks like me? Sign me up! Jimmy the Greek is in the house! |
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