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Nov 16, 2016 18:12:21 GMT -8
Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 16, 2016 18:12:21 GMT -8
They've been down this season, yes but we have too, especially when you look at the injuries and lack of a consistent passing game. I think there is obviously a chance for the Beavs to win this game but I don't think it will be as easy as some think! Losing Collins and Bright is going to affect the game, though it's nice to have Williams and Titus back. Titus should fill the Backer loss but who will fill in for SC at WR?
The scary thing about Arizona is that they are not one of the worst rushing teams in the country (like UCLA and look what they did running the football last week)! The rush D is a little bit of a concern as of late. And Arizona's QB (even though a 3rd string) is very elusive and can hurt teams with his feet. So can Oregon State contain the QB and force Arizona to beat them passing the ball? Will Nall play (if so, which Nall- totally healthy, hobbled???)? How effective will the Beavs offense be (points wise, not yardage)? Who'll win the turnover battle?
Win or lose, I think it will be closer and lower scoring than most. 28-21, something like that. Hopefully Beavs on top.
Go Beavs!
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'Zona
Nov 16, 2016 19:17:35 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 16, 2016 19:17:35 GMT -8
I'm a huge Collins fan, but sadly I have to say it won't be a huge deal because they hardly EVER look for him. If I was OC he'd be getting the ball a lot more.
I think we will win the game!
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Post by beaverdude on Nov 17, 2016 20:07:50 GMT -8
I'm a huge Collins fan, but sadly I have to say it won't be a huge deal because they hardly EVER look for him. If I was OC he'd be getting the ball a lot more. I think we will win the game! I'd throw him the flanker screen 4-5 times a game. |
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'Zona
Nov 17, 2016 20:10:49 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 17, 2016 20:10:49 GMT -8
I'm a huge Collins fan, but sadly I have to say it won't be a huge deal because they hardly EVER look for him. If I was OC he'd be getting the ball a lot more. I think we will win the game! I'd throw him the flanker screen 4-5 times a game. Have you seen our WRs block? |
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Nov 18, 2016 8:28:45 GMT -8
Post by beaverdude on Nov 18, 2016 8:28:45 GMT -8
Have you seen our WRs block? They'd learn a lot faster if they actually had to make a block or two...  |
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'Zona
Nov 18, 2016 13:48:49 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 18, 2016 13:48:49 GMT -8
Have you seen our WRs block? They'd learn a lot faster if they actually had to make a block or two... Or had to practice it cuz its part of the "offensive" scheme... then again in not sure what that is?! |
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Nov 18, 2016 22:19:10 GMT -8
Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 18, 2016 22:19:10 GMT -8
One of the issues I think needs to be revisited at the end of the year is bringing in a new receiver coach. You have to ask yourself, how many receivers have gotten better over the past 3-4 seasons? I know that Bolden got better this season but it has been a long time comin' (4 seasons to be exact but I'm glad he has). Would just be a breath of fresh air and probably a very positive one at that!
Go Beavs!
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Nov 19, 2016 6:14:54 GMT -8
Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 19, 2016 6:14:54 GMT -8
I'm a huge Collins fan, but sadly I have to say it won't be a huge deal because they hardly EVER look for him. If I was OC he'd be getting the ball a lot more. I think we will win the game! I'd throw him the flanker screen 4-5 times a game. I love Seth, and think he's going to be phenomenal by his senior year, but he'd drop 2 of those. The biggest loss with him being out is that he is a good blocker. |
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'Zona
Nov 19, 2016 10:48:11 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 19, 2016 10:48:11 GMT -8
One of the issues I think needs to be revisited at the end of the year is bringing in a new receiver coach. You have to ask yourself, how many receivers have gotten better over the past 3-4 seasons? I know that Bolden got better this season but it has been a long time comin' (4 seasons to be exact but I'm glad he has). Would just be a breath of fresh air and probably a very positive one at that! Go Beavs! I don't want to start something here, but I find it funny that WR coach Brennan is the only holdover on the team. |
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Nov 19, 2016 11:33:18 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 19, 2016 11:33:18 GMT -8
I tend to believe the receiver's apparent lack of development is more based more on the changes in the offense as a whole than as a result of the effectiveness of t he position coach.
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Nov 19, 2016 12:08:45 GMT -8
Post by orangeattack on Nov 19, 2016 12:08:45 GMT -8
I tend to believe the receiver's apparent lack of development is more based more on the changes in the offense as a whole than as a result of the effectiveness of t he position coach. It's most likely the ability of the QB putting the ball in a catchable spot in stride reliably that is affecting our wide receivers. When they do have a shot to catch it, it's mostly not in stride and they can hear the footsteps coming. Catches need to be routine and they're anything but right now. |
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Nov 19, 2016 13:37:16 GMT -8
Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 19, 2016 13:37:16 GMT -8
I tend to believe the receiver's apparent lack of development is more based more on the changes in the offense as a whole than as a result of the effectiveness of t he position coach. My observations are not strictly based on this season. This has been my opinion for the past couple of seasons based on Brennan's inability to completely develop talent. We have a stable of guys that have several years (3-4 seasons) of experience that have not gotten better each year. In fact, in Villamin's case and Bolden (with exception to this season for Bolden but it looks as if the light has finally turned on for him and he has made strides himself rather than it being a result "good" coaching all of a sudden in his 4th year of playing). There's an old saying among coaches about "coaching players up" and that is if the players aren't getting better they're getting worse. What I have seen from; technique standpoints, to results on the field, the trend is that the receivers as a whole have not gotten better but worse. When have you seen a 2nd or 3rd string guy come in and make a difference as a receiver under Brennan? He has been fortunate to have some really special athletes come in and make plays because they are naturally gifted (Cooks, Wheaton, etc) but what have the subs done (in terms of consistently contributing, getting better each year, etc)? It's a mark of a good coach when you can consistently have the "next man up" come in and not miss too much of a beat. Go Beavs! |
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Nov 19, 2016 16:53:15 GMT -8
Post by atownbeaver on Nov 19, 2016 16:53:15 GMT -8
I tend to believe the receiver's apparent lack of development is more based more on the changes in the offense as a whole than as a result of the effectiveness of t he position coach. My observations are not strictly based on this season. This has been my opinion for the past couple of seasons based on Brennan's inability to completely develop talent. We have a stable of guys that have several years (3-4 seasons) of experience that have not gotten better each year. In fact, in Villamin's case and Bolden (with exception to this season for Bolden but it looks as if the light has finally turned on for him and he has made strides himself rather than it being a result "good" coaching all of a sudden in his 4th year of playing). There's an old saying among coaches about "coaching players up" and that is if the players aren't getting better they're getting worse. What I have seen from; technique standpoints, to results on the field, the trend is that the receivers as a whole have not gotten better but worse. When have you seen a 2nd or 3rd string guy come in and make a difference as a receiver under Brennan? He has been fortunate to have some really special athletes come in and make plays because they are naturally gifted (Cooks, Wheaton, etc) but what have the subs done (in terms of consistently contributing, getting better each year, etc)? It's a mark of a good coach when you can consistently have the "next man up" come in and not miss too much of a beat. Go Beavs! Our wide receivers do not have a QB that can complete a pass and they do not have an OC that can call effective routes. end of discussion. I have seen time and time again our WR be wide OPEN. wide muther effing open. open for miles and our QBs just cannot deliver the ball. In literally every single game this season Bolden has solidly beaten a person deep only to not have a QB get the ball within a country mile of him. The number of flat misses to our WRs outnumber the drops and blown plays more than 10 to 1. easily. When did you see a 2nd string guy come in and be a star? Uh, Villamin, when he had Mannion throwing to him and an OC that knows how to call pro routes. I also think you are forgetting about his development of Mullaney... whom NOBODY would call a naturally gifted athlete. Everything that guy did was pure technical skill, route running, and hands. Hunter Jarmon had over 300 receiving yards, for over 16 ypc as a frosh in 2014. Bolden, Villy, Jarmon... they all peaked in 2014, as first year players. They have never achieved the same level of success. Because Brennan sucks? LOL. no. because our QB and our offense sucks. that is why. But I do agree... They should let Brennan go. He is way too good of a guy to suffer this trainwreck. |
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Nov 19, 2016 17:20:57 GMT -8
Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 19, 2016 17:20:57 GMT -8
My observations are not strictly based on this season. This has been my opinion for the past couple of seasons based on Brennan's inability to completely develop talent. We have a stable of guys that have several years (3-4 seasons) of experience that have not gotten better each year. In fact, in Villamin's case and Bolden (with exception to this season for Bolden but it looks as if the light has finally turned on for him and he has made strides himself rather than it being a result "good" coaching all of a sudden in his 4th year of playing). There's an old saying among coaches about "coaching players up" and that is if the players aren't getting better they're getting worse. What I have seen from; technique standpoints, to results on the field, the trend is that the receivers as a whole have not gotten better but worse. When have you seen a 2nd or 3rd string guy come in and make a difference as a receiver under Brennan? He has been fortunate to have some really special athletes come in and make plays because they are naturally gifted (Cooks, Wheaton, etc) but what have the subs done (in terms of consistently contributing, getting better each year, etc)? It's a mark of a good coach when you can consistently have the "next man up" come in and not miss too much of a beat. Go Beavs! Our wide receivers do not have a QB that can complete a pass and they do not have an OC that can call effective routes. end of discussion. I have seen time and time again our WR be wide OPEN. wide muther effing open. open for miles and our QBs just cannot deliver the ball. In literally every single game this season Bolden has solidly beaten a person deep only to not have a QB get the ball within a country mile of him. The number of flat misses to our WRs outnumber the drops and blown plays more than 10 to 1. easily. When did you see a 2nd string guy come in and be a star? Uh, Villamin, when he had Mannion throwing to him and an OC that knows how to call pro routes. I also think you are forgetting about his development of Mullaney... whom NOBODY would call a naturally gifted athlete. Everything that guy did was pure technical skill, route running, and hands. Hunter Jarmon had over 300 receiving yards, for over 16 ypc as a frosh in 2014. Bolden, Villy, Jarmon... they all peaked in 2014, as first year players. They have never achieved the same level of success. Because Brennan sucks? LOL. no. because our QB and our offense sucks. that is why. But I do agree... They should let Brennan go. He is way too good of a guy to suffer this trainwreck. Development of Mullaney?! Are you kidding me? Mullaney went backwards like Villamin. BTW, players that start right out of the gate and get worse is a sign of poor coaching "PERIOD"! Never said Brennan "sucks" but he has not elevated the overall play of the wide receivers. BTW, playing wide receiver is a lot more than just how many catches they have. The route running is sloppy, stalk blocking has been below average and again.... how has Hawkins been? How about Jarmon (he was a 3 star receiver coming out of Texas and he barely sees the field but even when he does not impressive)? Paul Lucas has fallen off from last season as far as making plays (and had similar touches to last season-not exact but close). BTW the OC doesn't just throw a bunch of routes together and call that as a play, LOL god that's funny! Glad to see ya have it all figured out though, like usual! Go Beavs! |
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Nov 19, 2016 18:18:47 GMT -8
Post by orangeattack on Nov 19, 2016 18:18:47 GMT -8
Our wide receivers do not have a QB that can complete a pass and they do not have an OC that can call effective routes. end of discussion. I have seen time and time again our WR be wide OPEN. wide muther effing open. open for miles and our QBs just cannot deliver the ball. In literally every single game this season Bolden has solidly beaten a person deep only to not have a QB get the ball within a country mile of him. The number of flat misses to our WRs outnumber the drops and blown plays more than 10 to 1. easily. When did you see a 2nd string guy come in and be a star? Uh, Villamin, when he had Mannion throwing to him and an OC that knows how to call pro routes. I also think you are forgetting about his development of Mullaney... whom NOBODY would call a naturally gifted athlete. Everything that guy did was pure technical skill, route running, and hands. Hunter Jarmon had over 300 receiving yards, for over 16 ypc as a frosh in 2014. Bolden, Villy, Jarmon... they all peaked in 2014, as first year players. They have never achieved the same level of success. Because Brennan sucks? LOL. no. because our QB and our offense sucks. that is why. But I do agree... They should let Brennan go. He is way too good of a guy to suffer this trainwreck. Development of Mullaney?! Are you kidding me? Mullaney went backwards like Villamin. ...but.. but.. that's exactly what he said. That Mullaney went backwards, just not for the reason you think. We haven't found a good QB after Mannion. All of these players appear to regress from 2014 because they can't catch a ball that is never located in a place where they have an opportunity to go make a play. This hurts a guy like Mullaney the most because he makes his living on outstanding execution and consistency and he needs a QB who can anticipate when he is coming open and put it in a place for him to make a play. This isn't unique to the Beavers. UCLA has really struggled with finding a QB for several seasons now, for instance. ASU and Arizona are both struggling to find a good one. |
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