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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 8, 2024 17:15:10 GMT -8
Looking at the 12 seeds competing in the 6A Championship bracket it's interesting to see how concentrated they are in the Portland Metro area (county in brackets). Metro area 10/12 (83%). Rest of state 2/12 (17%). www.osaa.org/activities/fbl1. Lake Oswego (Clackamas)
2. West Linn (Clackamas)3. Sheldon (Lane) 4. Lakeridge (Clackamas)
5. Central Catholic (Multnomah)6. Sprague (Marion) 7. Sherwood (Washington)8. Mountainside (Washington)9. Tualatin (Clackamas)10.Nelson (Clackamas)11.Clackamas (Clackamas)12. Wells (Multnomah)On closer look, the 6A Football classification consists of 42 teams in 6 leagues. 31 (79%) within the tri-county area and only 9 (21%) outside. So, probably not so surprising. The old days when teams like Roseburg, Medford, Ashland, Marshfield appeared and fought it out in the top classification are apparently a thing of the past. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 8, 2024 18:40:30 GMT -8
Looking at the 12 seeds competing in the 6A Championship bracket it's interesting to see how concentrated they are in the Portland Metro area (county in brackets). Metro area 10/12 (83%). Rest of state 2/12 (17%). www.osaa.org/activities/fbl1. Lake Oswego (Clackamas)
2. West Linn (Clackamas)3. Sheldon (Lane) 4. Lakeridge (Clackamas)
5. Central Catholic (Multnomah)6. Sprague (Marion) 7. Sherwood (Washington)8. Mountainside (Washington)9. Tualatin (Clackamas)10.Nelson (Clackamas)11.Clackamas (Clackamas)12. Wells (Multnomah)On closer look, the 6A Football classification consists of 42 teams in 6 leagues. 31 (79%) within the tri-county area and only 9 (21%) outside. So, probably not so surprising. The old days when teams like Roseburg, Medford, Ashland, Marshfield appeared and fought it out in the top classification are apparently a thing of the past. Roseburg dropped to 5A this year. Their enrollment has really shrunk. |
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Post by messi on Nov 8, 2024 21:17:19 GMT -8
Looking at the 12 seeds competing in the 6A Championship bracket it's interesting to see how concentrated they are in the Portland Metro area (county in brackets). Metro area 10/12 (83%). Rest of state 2/12 (17%). www.osaa.org/activities/fbl1. Lake Oswego (Clackamas)
2. West Linn (Clackamas)3. Sheldon (Lane) 4. Lakeridge (Clackamas)
5. Central Catholic (Multnomah)6. Sprague (Marion) 7. Sherwood (Washington)8. Mountainside (Washington)9. Tualatin (Clackamas)10.Nelson (Clackamas)11.Clackamas (Clackamas)12. Wells (Multnomah)On closer look, the 6A Football classification consists of 42 teams in 6 leagues. 31 (79%) within the tri-county area and only 9 (21%) outside. So, probably not so surprising. The old days when teams like Roseburg, Medford, Ashland, Marshfield appeared and fought it out in the top classification are apparently a thing of the past. Only one 6A conference is outside the Portland area, the mashed up special district of McNary, McKay, North Salem, South Salem, Sprague, Sheldon, Grants Pass, North Medford, and South Medford. Surprising how only one Eugene area school is 6A. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 8, 2024 22:21:33 GMT -8
Man things sure have changed since 1984.
Where did Wells and Nelson come for lol
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 8, 2024 23:03:12 GMT -8
Man things sure have changed since 1984. Where did Wells and Nelson come for lol Wilson was the champion of self-determination around the world. The most progressive world leader at the time. He literally broke himself trying to save the Allies from themselves. He united the country by working with Republicans to feed the Belgians and French and then united the country to usher America into World War I, working with both Democrats and Republicans. Up until the 70s, he was a top five President. Now, not even worth mentioning, I suppose. Wilson is now Wells. Nelson is new, a converted Middle School. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 9, 2024 6:18:09 GMT -8
Man things sure have changed since 1984. Where did Wells and Nelson come for lol Wilson was the champion of self-determination around the world. The most progressive world leader at the time. He literally broke himself trying to save the Allies from themselves. He united the country by working with Republicans to feed the Belgians and French and then united the country to usher America into World War I, working with both Democrats and Republicans. Up until the 70s, he was a top five President. Now, not even worth mentioning, I suppose. Wilson is now Wells. Nelson is new, a converted Middle School. I knew you'd come through Drinks on me someday |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 9, 2024 7:29:46 GMT -8
Looking at the 12 seeds competing in the 6A Championship bracket it's interesting to see how concentrated they are in the Portland Metro area (county in brackets). Metro area 10/12 (83%). Rest of state 2/12 (17%). www.osaa.org/activities/fbl1. Lake Oswego (Clackamas)
2. West Linn (Clackamas)3. Sheldon (Lane) 4. Lakeridge (Clackamas)
5. Central Catholic (Multnomah)6. Sprague (Marion) 7. Sherwood (Washington)8. Mountainside (Washington)9. Tualatin (Clackamas)10.Nelson (Clackamas)11.Clackamas (Clackamas)12. Wells (Multnomah)On closer look, the 6A Football classification consists of 42 teams in 6 leagues. 31 (79%) within the tri-county area and only 9 (21%) outside. So, probably not so surprising. The old days when teams like Roseburg, Medford, Ashland, Marshfield appeared and fought it out in the top classification are apparently a thing of the past. Only one 6A conference is outside the Portland area, the mashed up special district of McNary, McKay, North Salem, South Salem, Sprague, Sheldon, Grants Pass, North Medford, and South Medford. Surprising how only one Eugene area school is 6A. You forgot West Salem. The Medford teams are usually pretty good still. |
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Post by pabeaver on Nov 9, 2024 9:00:59 GMT -8
Man things sure have changed since 1984. Where did Wells and Nelson come for lol Wilson was the champion of self-determination around the world. The most progressive world leader at the time. He literally broke himself trying to save the Allies from themselves. He united the country by working with Republicans to feed the Belgians and French and then united the country to usher America into World War I, working with both Democrats and Republicans. Up until the 70s, he was a top five President. Now, not even worth mentioning, I suppose. Wilson is now Wells. Nelson is new, a converted Middle School. Adrienne C. Nelson High School was created by splitting Clackamas High School. Wells is Ida B. Wells High School. Should have kept it Wilson in my book. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 9, 2024 10:15:43 GMT -8
Man things sure have changed since 1984. Where did Wells and Nelson come for lol Wilson was the champion of self-determination around the world. The most progressive world leader at the time. He literally broke himself trying to save the Allies from themselves. He united the country by working with Republicans to feed the Belgians and French and then united the country to usher America into World War I, working with both Democrats and Republicans. Up until the 70s, he was a top five President. Now, not even worth mentioning, I suppose. Wilson is now Wells. Nelson is new, a converted Middle School. Wilson’s also the guy who re-segregated the US Civil Service. You kinda left out that “accomplishment”. Perhaps you don’t consider it significant? Is Wilson and his achievements worth mentioning? Absolutely. Worth Honoring? IMHO not so much. Cue 2000 word response. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 9, 2024 15:28:24 GMT -8
Wilson was the champion of self-determination around the world. The most progressive world leader at the time. He literally broke himself trying to save the Allies from themselves. He united the country by working with Republicans to feed the Belgians and French and then united the country to usher America into World War I, working with both Democrats and Republicans. Up until the 70s, he was a top five President. Now, not even worth mentioning, I suppose. Wilson is now Wells. Nelson is new, a converted Middle School. Wilson’s also the guy who re-segregated the US Civil Service. You kinda left out that “accomplishment”. Perhaps you don’t consider it significant? Is Wilson and his achievements worth mentioning? Absolutely. Worth Honoring? IMHO not so much. Cue 2000 word response. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Democratic Party was a mess. They had not had a President serve two consecutive terms since Andrew Jackson, 84 years prior. The reason why is that they were sort of like a Frankenstein's Monster of various regional concerns loosely collected together around a common banner but with little to unite them beyond the name, Democrat. When Wilson was elected, he appointed Albert Burleson to lead the Post Office and William McAdoo to lead Treasury. Burleson and McAdoo resegregated their portions of the US Civil Service. That was nothing that Wilson wanted. You do not always get a Royal Flush on the flop. You play the hand that you are dealt. Wilson could have fired Burleson and McAdoo, split his party, and guaranteed that he would be a one-term president like every Democrat had been for 84 years. He absolutely could have. But he did not, because the good that he was able to accomplish largely overrode the negatives that Burleson and McAdoo added to his administration. It sucks that things were not better back then. It absolutely does. Wilson was celebrated by both parties for the next 40+ years, because people actually understood and appreciated the moronic Deep Southern portion of his party what Wilson had to deal with. And Wilson High was so named in 1956. People have forgotten their history since and are easily confused by knee-jerk Monday Morning Quarterbacks, who focus on one thing and use that to override everything else, because they lack a complete understanding of the very complex situation that was the American political landscape in the 1910s. But maybe I'm wrong. Could be. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 9, 2024 16:06:19 GMT -8
Wilson’s also the guy who re-segregated the US Civil Service. You kinda left out that “accomplishment”. Perhaps you don’t consider it significant? Is Wilson and his achievements worth mentioning? Absolutely. Worth Honoring? IMHO not so much. Cue 2000 word response. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Democratic Party was a mess. They had not had a President serve two consecutive terms since Andrew Jackson, 84 years prior. The reason why is that they were sort of like a Frankenstein's Monster of various regional concerns loosely collected together around a common banner but with little to unite them beyond the name, Democrat. When Wilson was elected, he appointed Albert Burleson to lead the Post Office and William McAdoo to lead Treasury. Burleson and McAdoo resegregated their portions of the US Civil Service. That was nothing that Wilson wanted. You do not always get a Royal Flush on the flop. You play the hand that you are dealt. Wilson could have fired Burleson and McAdoo, split his party, and guaranteed that he would be a one-term president like every Democrat had been for 84 years. He absolutely could have. But he did not, because the good that he was able to accomplish largely overrode the negatives that Burleson and McAdoo added to his administration. It sucks that things were not better back then. It absolutely does. Wilson was celebrated by both parties for the next 40+ years, because people actually understood and appreciated the moronic Deep Southern portion of his party what Wilson had to deal with. And Wilson High was so named in 1956. People have forgotten their history since and are easily confused by knee-jerk Monday Morning Quarterbacks, who focus on one thing and use that to override everything else, because they lack a complete understanding of the very complex situation that was the American political landscape in the 1910s. But maybe I'm wrong. Could be. The high school I went to wasn't named after a guy who denied my full humanity because of my ethnicity. I suspect the same goes for you. If it had been, you might feel more strongly about whether or not to honor a guy who did. Wilson HS in 1956 probably served a 99+% white student body. By 2020 (when it was renamed) the same school is serving a very large number of non-white kids that Wilson lived his whole life considering less than fully human. It is kinda ironic that the name change wasn't nearly as objectionable/controversial to those in the district than those outside of it. The question is not whether or not we study the history of the Wilson administration. Of course, we should study ALL of US History. And the Wilson administration was an important period in that history. The question is whom we should honor and hold up TODAY, to today's students, as examples of a life to aspire to. I don't think Wilson meets that standard - today. It's not 1956 anymore. That's my opinion and where it comes from. I don't expect to change the mind of anyone who disagrees so I'm not inviting an argument. You obviously disagree, you've explained why, and that's fine. And I obviously didn't start this thread about the OSAA 6A Football playoffs to set off an argument over a century+ old Presidential administration. How do you feel about the HS football playoffs? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 9, 2024 17:45:52 GMT -8
"The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Democratic Party was a mess. They had not had a President serve two consecutive terms since Andrew Jackson, 84 years prior. The reason why is that they were sort of like a Frankenstein's Monster of various regional concerns loosely collected together around a common banner but with little to unite them beyond the name, Democrat. When Wilson was elected, he appointed Albert Burleson to lead the Post Office and William McAdoo to lead Treasury. Burleson and McAdoo resegregated their portions of the US Civil Service. That was nothing that Wilson wanted. You do not always get a Royal Flush on the flop. You play the hand that you are dealt. Wilson could have fired Burleson and McAdoo, split his party, and guaranteed that he would be a one-term president like every Democrat had been for 84 years. He absolutely could have. But he did not, because the good that he was able to accomplish largely overrode the negatives that Burleson and McAdoo added to his administration. It sucks that things were not better back then. It absolutely does. Wilson was celebrated by both parties for the next 40+ years, because people actually understood and appreciated the moronic Deep Southern portion of his party what Wilson had to deal with. And Wilson High was so named in 1956. People have forgotten their history since and are easily confused by knee-jerk Monday Morning Quarterbacks, who focus on one thing and use that to override everything else, because they lack a complete understanding of the very complex situation that was the American political landscape in the 1910s. But maybe I'm wrong. Could be. The high school I went to wasn't named after a guy who denied my full humanity because of my ethnicity. I suspect the same goes for you. If it had been, you might feel more strongly about whether or not to honor a guy who did. Wilson HS in 1956 probably served a 99+% white student body. By 2020 (when it was renamed) the same school is serving a very large number of non-white kids that Wilson lived his whole life considering less than fully human. It is kinda ironic that the name change wasn't nearly as objectionable/controversial to those in the district than those outside of it. The question is not whether or not we study the history of the Wilson administration. Of course, we should study ALL of US History. And the Wilson administration was an important period in that history. The question is whom we should honor and hold up TODAY, to today's students, as examples of a life to aspire to. I don't think Wilson meets that standard - today. It's not 1956 anymore. That's my opinion and where it comes from. I don't expect to change the mind of anyone who disagrees so I'm not inviting an argument. You obviously disagree, you've explained why, and that's fine. And I obviously didn't start this thread about the OSAA 6A Football playoffs to set off an argument over a century+ old Presidential administration. How do you feel about the HS football playoffs? And the kids that went to Wilson did not go that high school either. They went to a school named after a guy who had people like that in his administration. You are 100% right, though, that it really is not any of my business. If they feel like Ida B. Wells > T. Woodrow Wilson then great. All is as God wills it. As to the playoffs, one of my roommates in Corvallis was a Glencoe guy. Cool guy, and I have absolutely nothing against him, but I think that it is hilarious that they lost to Lebanon at home. Great stuff! Hopefully, Lebanon keeps pulling off the upsets. 6A. Both Nelson and Wells both went down, which is great. I am generally cheering on Central Catholic and Jesuit. I have to figure out where the two people from Oregon who work in my office went. I know one is from Gresham and the other is from Tigard, but I do not remember what school either went to. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2024 19:55:20 GMT -8
This is a dumb argument! Little known fact: Wilson HS in Portland was named after Fred Wilson, a benevolent farmer that sold the property at a discount to the school district. Fred was also the son of an Asian and Caucasian Mother and a Black and Pacific Islander dad, so there was no need to fret about the name. He was also a political independent. Live and learn I say!
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2024 19:58:39 GMT -8
"The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. The Democratic Party was a mess. They had not had a President serve two consecutive terms since Andrew Jackson, 84 years prior. The reason why is that they were sort of like a Frankenstein's Monster of various regional concerns loosely collected together around a common banner but with little to unite them beyond the name, Democrat. When Wilson was elected, he appointed Albert Burleson to lead the Post Office and William McAdoo to lead Treasury. Burleson and McAdoo resegregated their portions of the US Civil Service. That was nothing that Wilson wanted. You do not always get a Royal Flush on the flop. You play the hand that you are dealt. Wilson could have fired Burleson and McAdoo, split his party, and guaranteed that he would be a one-term president like every Democrat had been for 84 years. He absolutely could have. But he did not, because the good that he was able to accomplish largely overrode the negatives that Burleson and McAdoo added to his administration. It sucks that things were not better back then. It absolutely does. Wilson was celebrated by both parties for the next 40+ years, because people actually understood and appreciated the moronic Deep Southern portion of his party what Wilson had to deal with. And Wilson High was so named in 1956. People have forgotten their history since and are easily confused by knee-jerk Monday Morning Quarterbacks, who focus on one thing and use that to override everything else, because they lack a complete understanding of the very complex situation that was the American political landscape in the 1910s. But maybe I'm wrong. Could be. The high school I went to wasn't named after a guy who denied my full humanity because of my ethnicity. I suspect the same goes for you. If it had been, you might feel more strongly about whether or not to honor a guy who did. Wilson HS in 1956 probably served a 99+% white student body. By 2020 (when it was renamed) the same school is serving a very large number of non-white kids that Wilson lived his whole life considering less than fully human. It is kinda ironic that the name change wasn't nearly as objectionable/controversial to those in the district than those outside of it. The question is not whether or not we study the history of the Wilson administration. Of course, we should study ALL of US History. And the Wilson administration was an important period in that history. The question is whom we should honor and hold up TODAY, to today's students, as examples of a life to aspire to. I don't think Wilson meets that standard - today. It's not 1956 anymore. That's my opinion and where it comes from. I don't expect to change the mind of anyone who disagrees so I'm not inviting an argument. You obviously disagree, you've explained why, and that's fine. And I obviously didn't start this thread about the OSAA 6A Football playoffs to set off an argument over a century+ old Presidential administration. How do you feel about the HS football playoffs? I’m just glad I went to God High School! Go GHS!!! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 9, 2024 22:58:55 GMT -8
The high school I went to wasn't named after a guy who denied my full humanity because of my ethnicity. I suspect the same goes for you. If it had been, you might feel more strongly about whether or not to honor a guy who did. Wilson HS in 1956 probably served a 99+% white student body. By 2020 (when it was renamed) the same school is serving a very large number of non-white kids that Wilson lived his whole life considering less than fully human. It is kinda ironic that the name change wasn't nearly as objectionable/controversial to those in the district than those outside of it. The question is not whether or not we study the history of the Wilson administration. Of course, we should study ALL of US History. And the Wilson administration was an important period in that history. The question is whom we should honor and hold up TODAY, to today's students, as examples of a life to aspire to. I don't think Wilson meets that standard - today. It's not 1956 anymore. That's my opinion and where it comes from. I don't expect to change the mind of anyone who disagrees so I'm not inviting an argument. You obviously disagree, you've explained why, and that's fine. And I obviously didn't start this thread about the OSAA 6A Football playoffs to set off an argument over a century+ old Presidential administration. How do you feel about the HS football playoffs? I’m just glad I went to God High School! Go GHS!!! So you’re a Jesuit grad? |
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