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Post by rgeorge on Oct 9, 2024 9:58:02 GMT -8
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Post by 93beav on Oct 9, 2024 12:19:48 GMT -8
The thing I don't get about any of these ideas is why would any of the other teams outside of the B10 or SEC go along? Or, for that matter, the smaller teams in the B10 or SEC?
The tier'd distribution model is a joke. You're rich, you'll get richer! You're poor, you'll stay poor! Eight "permanent" members, even with relegation. All the other schools are doing is chasing fantasy and validating the wishes of the top schools to be treated as entitled.
I think people need to start (again) some deep thinking out of what they want from their sports at their university. While winning a national championship is great, do you sacrifice 99 years of misery for maybe 1 chance 1 year at being told you're the best? I still think every other school not in those leagues should just band together, negotiate as a whole, and sap energy from the bigger brands. Purposefully cause a schism. Make your own championship tourney and do it as much for the fun of watching sport as the almighty dollar.
Yeah, it's a pipe dream, but at least it leaves most schools with some self-respect.
Institutions of higher learning...pshaw..
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 9, 2024 15:06:03 GMT -8
The thing I don't get about any of these ideas is why would any of the other teams outside of the B10 or SEC go along? Or, for that matter, the smaller teams in the B10 or SEC? The tier'd distribution model is a joke. You're rich, you'll get richer! You're poor, you'll stay poor! Eight "permanent" members, even with relegation. All the other schools are doing is chasing fantasy and validating the wishes of the top schools to be treated as entitled. I think people need to start (again) some deep thinking out of what they want from their sports at their university. While winning a national championship is great, do you sacrifice 99 years of misery for maybe 1 chance 1 year at being told you're the best? I still think every other school not in those leagues should just band together, negotiate as a whole, and sap energy from the bigger brands. Purposefully cause a schism. Make your own championship tourney and do it as much for the fun of watching sport as the almighty dollar. Yeah, it's a pipe dream, but at least it leaves most schools with some self-respect. Institutions of higher learning...pshaw.. kinda mirrors our society.....rich get richer. Since it's 100% all about money, I'm not sure how you stop this from eventually happening. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Oct 9, 2024 18:08:41 GMT -8
The thing I don't get about any of these ideas is why would any of the other teams outside of the B10 or SEC go along? Or, for that matter, the smaller teams in the B10 or SEC? The tier'd distribution model is a joke. You're rich, you'll get richer! You're poor, you'll stay poor! Eight "permanent" members, even with relegation. All the other schools are doing is chasing fantasy and validating the wishes of the top schools to be treated as entitled. I think people need to start (again) some deep thinking out of what they want from their sports at their university. While winning a national championship is great, do you sacrifice 99 years of misery for maybe 1 chance 1 year at being told you're the best? I still think every other school not in those leagues should just band together, negotiate as a whole, and sap energy from the bigger brands. Purposefully cause a schism. Make your own championship tourney and do it as much for the fun of watching sport as the almighty dollar. Yeah, it's a pipe dream, but at least it leaves most schools with some self-respect. Institutions of higher learning...pshaw.. I think its probably a lot like what we saw with the PAC 12, MWC and possibly the ACC soon. Everyone scrambles to stay on the ship and seem to believe they won't be in the water with the other unfortunates. |
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Post by seastape on Oct 9, 2024 19:46:52 GMT -8
Proposed 70 school super conference. Current membership of the P4 = 67 schools. Current membership of NCAA FBS football: 133 schools.
Why call this a super league? Just call the 70 schools Division I.
66 schools of FBS football, or 49.6%, are not in the P4 right now. Only 3 of those will be picked to be part of the 70 school League. So, the other 63 teams are now going down to the level of the Big Sky. Will OSU be one of them?
Sucks for those 63 teams.
It'll probably at some point suck for the bottom 32 of the top 70 as well, as the proposal pays them <1/4 the payday of the Big 16. How are they supposed to compete with the boys at the top? How long before it is obvious that they are just cannon fodder for the heavyweights?
It won't matter. The bottom 32 will stick around for the table scraps, which will be at least better than what Division II and lower will get.
It's already happening to the Big 12 and the ACC. The super league is already here; it just hasn't gobbled up Florida State, Miami, and Clemson yet. It's just keeping around the ACC, Big 12 and the G6 to stave out the inevitable lawsuits.
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Post by 93beav on Oct 9, 2024 20:42:04 GMT -8
Proposed 70 school super conference. Current membership of the P4 = 67 schools. Current membership of NCAA FBS football: 133 schools. Why call this a super league? Just call the 70 schools Division I. 66 schools of FBS football, or 49.6%, are not in the P4 right now. Only 3 of those will be picked to be part of the 70 school League. So, the other 63 teams are now going down to the level of the Big Sky. Will OSU be one of them? Sucks for those 63 teams. It'll probably at some point suck for the bottom 32 of the top 70 as well, as the proposal pays them <1/4 the payday of the Big 16. How are they supposed to compete with the boys at the top? How long before it is obvious that they are just cannon fodder for the heavyweights? It won't matter. The bottom 32 will stick around for the table scraps, which will be at least better than what Division II and lower will get. It's already happening to the Big 12 and the ACC. The super league is already here; it just hasn't gobbled up Florida State, Miami, and Clemson yet. It's just keeping around the ACC, Big 12 and the G6 to stave out the inevitable lawsuits. But again I'd ask why does it matter the table scraps are better than Division II? What do those table scraps get you? More sports? Ok, I'm pretty sure there are enough invested OSU fans to keep baseball alive (and probably softball as a Title IX counterweight). While it would be sad to lose many sports, would it really matter to the objective of OSU as an educational institution? I mean, if it was just football, basketball, baseball would we still be okay? If we weren't in that grey area of "We need more NIL, do we have enough NIL?" and instead it was more "Here's what we'll give you flat rate, including tuition, to play sports while you get an education"... would that matter to us? We're (including me) really just waiting around for something that won't happen - OSU to get an equal seat at the table to show we can compete with anybody. And we absolutely could, if money didn't matter. But it does, now more than ever. I feel like we're still in a period of mourning over the way the system used to work. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 9, 2024 21:40:48 GMT -8
Proposed 70 school super conference. Current membership of the P4 = 67 schools. Current membership of NCAA FBS football: 133 schools. Why call this a super league? Just call the 70 schools Division I. 66 schools of FBS football, or 49.6%, are not in the P4 right now. Only 3 of those will be picked to be part of the 70 school League. So, the other 63 teams are now going down to the level of the Big Sky. Will OSU be one of them? Sucks for those 63 teams. It'll probably at some point suck for the bottom 32 of the top 70 as well, as the proposal pays them <1/4 the payday of the Big 16. How are they supposed to compete with the boys at the top? How long before it is obvious that they are just cannon fodder for the heavyweights? It won't matter. The bottom 32 will stick around for the table scraps, which will be at least better than what Division II and lower will get. It's already happening to the Big 12 and the ACC. The super league is already here; it just hasn't gobbled up Florida State, Miami, and Clemson yet. It's just keeping around the ACC, Big 12 and the G6 to stave out the inevitable lawsuits. But again I'd ask why does it matter the table scraps are better than Division II? What do those table scraps get you? More sports? Ok, I'm pretty sure there are enough invested OSU fans to keep baseball alive (and probably softball as a Title IX counterweight). While it would be sad to lose many sports, would it really matter to the objective of OSU as an educational institution? I mean, if it was just football, basketball, baseball would we still be okay? If we weren't in that grey area of "We need more NIL, do we have enough NIL?" and instead it was more "Here's what we'll give you flat rate, including tuition, to play sports while you get an education"... would that matter to us? We're (including me) really just waiting around for something that won't happen - OSU to get an equal seat at the table to show we can compete with anybody. And we absolutely could, if money didn't matter. But it does, now more than ever. I feel like we're still in a period of mourning over the way the system used to work. Dammit! Sobering……… true. 😥 |
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