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Post by donkeyotee on Sept 27, 2024 18:12:34 GMT -8
Ryan Leaf was on KTIK in Boise yesterday talking about the PAC and his take was that regardless of how the new PAC turns out, teams in the conference are going to have a much easier path to the playoffs than most teams in the P4 conferences. Not a big Leaf fan, but he had a good take. MWC has been relegated to a non-contender, and it’s still possible based on the latest comments from Memphis that the PAC nabs them and maybe another decent program, which should make the PAC then next best conference and further weaken other non-P4s. Washington and others are going to have a very difficult time in the BIG10 standing out and making the playoffs. I am usually a glass half full kind of guy but I think however this all shakes out, the new PAC will still end up being in a good position. Curious your thoughts. Check out the archive on KTIK.com from 9/26.
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Post by ftd on Sept 27, 2024 18:23:41 GMT -8
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 28, 2024 4:12:44 GMT -8
His son was a train wreck at UCLA.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 28, 2024 5:55:46 GMT -8
Ryan Leaf was on KTIK in Boise yesterday talking about the PAC and his take was that regardless of how the new PAC turns out, teams in the conference are going to have a much easier path to the playoffs than most teams in the P4 conferences. Not a big Leaf fan, but he had a good take. MWC has been relegated to a non-contender, and it’s still possible based on the latest comments from Memphis that the PAC nabs them and maybe another decent program, which should make the PAC then next best conference and further weaken other non-P4s. Washington and others are going to have a very difficult time in the BIG10 standing out and making the playoffs. I am usually a glass half full kind of guy but I think however this all shakes out, the new PAC will still end up being in a good position. Curious your thoughts. Check out the archive on KTIK.com from 9/26. Thanks Donk, the new Pac 12 is shaping into a nice west coast league. College football is bonkers now, but having the premiere west coast league may pay dividends in many unexpected ways. At least it is going to be an interesting 5 years! Optimists say the glass is half full, pessimists say the glass is half empty, Engineers say use the right size glass. I think we have the right size glass.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 28, 2024 8:13:49 GMT -8
The biggest problem I foresee for the new Pac 12 is the quality of the programs in the conference is pretty even, notwithstanding ebbs and flows. Compare that to the AAC or CUSA, which usually has one or two teams excel, and with so many teams in the conference, it will be easier to go undefeated. See Tulane, Liberty, Army and James Madison this year, etc.
It will be interesting to see if any PAC program separates itself from the pack. It will probably be the team with the most NIL money, sad to say.
Perhaps that works in our favor if any Pac team does suffer a loss or two. But everyone loves an undefeated team, even if theor SOS was 94th.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 28, 2024 8:44:12 GMT -8
For OSU, if you want a chance to go undefeated, and get into the playoff, gotta lose the civil war.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 28, 2024 8:57:21 GMT -8
I think it's the champion of the top five-ranked conferences. So as long as all the teams commit to at least a decent OOC schedule, our league should consistently hit this mark and its champion will earn a CFP berth.
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Post by irimi on Sept 28, 2024 8:59:32 GMT -8
Getting to the playoffs is swell, but it won't matter much if we just show up and get our butts handed to us. We need sustained success to be taken seriously, and that's going to take time, based upon this year's Civil War.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 28, 2024 9:03:58 GMT -8
For OSU, if you want a chance to go undefeated, and get into the playoff, gotta lose the civil war. Simply not true, OSU and WSU can lose their rivalry games, win the Pac12, be one of the top 5 ranked conference champions and get into the playoff pretty reasonably. Frankly, if we can’t play competitive games against the ducks, then we simply don’t belong in the cfp. WSU beat the dawgs on the road this year, so competitive games are not an unreasonable expectation.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 28, 2024 9:04:28 GMT -8
Getting to the playoffs is swell, but it won't matter much if we just show up and get our butts handed to us. We need sustained success to be taken seriously, and that's going to take time, based upon this year's Civil War. It means a ton of money for the conference. No matter the outcome.
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Post by ostate on Sept 28, 2024 9:13:46 GMT -8
The 5 highest ranked conference champions get an automatic bid to the CFP and then they will fill in the next 7 with whomever they deem qualified...
As it stands now, the new P12 is in an ideal spot to be one of the 5 highest ranked conference champion and out of conference games are a litmus test for all conferences. Our future OOC schedule is shaping up really well to compete for a spot too...
Now, the P12 needs to get to at least 9 total football schools in order to have at least 8 conference games and add viability to the conference. 12 would be better might dilute the conference to the AAC level - but every conference has doormats and we could add a few (AAC, MW, CUSA, etc... are all doormats IMO); we do need to find schools that don't dilute the media deal too much unless we have a tiered media payout for each school which ay not be the case...
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 28, 2024 10:25:09 GMT -8
Getting to the playoffs is swell, but it won't matter much if we just show up and get our butts handed to us. We need sustained success to be taken seriously, and that's going to take time, based upon this year's Civil War. It means a ton of money for the conference. No matter the outcome. It actually doesn't mean a ton. The CFP payouts are set and individual team payouts no longer exist except for an independent making the semis ($6 mil). The conference payouts can be adjusted due to expansion. So the $3.6 mil Osu gets now may be the best it gets. As I doubt a new Pac12 conference payout will be in the $27 mil range (for 9 teams)? It'll be interesting to see the adjustment to the %s.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 28, 2024 10:35:28 GMT -8
For OSU, if you want a chance to go undefeated, and get into the playoff, gotta lose the civil war. Simply not true, OSU and WSU can lose their rivalry games, win the Pac12, be one of the top 5 ranked conference champions and get into the playoff pretty reasonably. Frankly, if we can’t play competitive games against the ducks, then we simply don’t belong in the cfp. WSU beat the dawgs on the road this year, so competitive games are not an unreasonable expectation. The way things are going, a one loss G5 team likely won't get in. That's how the greedy bastards running things want it. Also, the CW will likely continue to trend toward a body bag game, more, and more. The talent gap has grown substantially over the last decade. It sucks, but that's the reality. Even if a G5 team makes it, they will be a sacrifice for Georgia, or Ohio State. I would love to be competitive against the quacks. We've kind of hung on over the last couple decades. We win one occasionally, and we keep a few of em close. I just don't see that being the case anymore, unless something happens to reign in the money/NIL/portal stuff. I say all this to say, I want to play for our own trophy. The highest level of college football is steadily separating itself. We belong in the next tier.
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Post by irimi on Sept 28, 2024 10:43:25 GMT -8
Getting to the playoffs is swell, but it won't matter much if we just show up and get our butts handed to us. We need sustained success to be taken seriously, and that's going to take time, based upon this year's Civil War. It means a ton of money for the conference. No matter the outcome. Money is good, but not enough. Winning in the playoffs brings respect and money via TV contracts. Just showing up to the playoffs and quickly being sent home would match with everybody’s expectations. Just a freak of the system.
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 28, 2024 15:47:03 GMT -8
Simply not true, OSU and WSU can lose their rivalry games, win the Pac12, be one of the top 5 ranked conference champions and get into the playoff pretty reasonably. Frankly, if we can’t play competitive games against the ducks, then we simply don’t belong in the cfp. WSU beat the dawgs on the road this year, so competitive games are not an unreasonable expectation. The way things are going, a one loss G5 team likely won't get in. That's how the greedy bastards running things want it. Also, the CW will likely continue to trend toward a body bag game, more, and more. The talent gap has grown substantially over the last decade. It sucks, but that's the reality. Even if a G5 team makes it, they will be a sacrifice for Georgia, or Ohio State. I would love to be competitive against the quacks. We've kind of hung on over the last couple decades. We win one occasionally, and we keep a few of em close. I just don't see that being the case anymore, unless something happens to reign in the money/NIL/portal stuff. I say all this to say, I want to play for our own trophy. The highest level of college football is steadily separating itself. We belong in the next tier. A G5 team is literally guaranteed to make the playoff every single year in the current format.
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