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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 24, 2024 12:47:15 GMT -8
We won't be P5.......and don't call him Shirley. Which conference will be #5, the AAC? Neither, probably.....There will just be 4 power conferences for now until the next round. Really doesn't matter in regards to the CFP anyway. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 24, 2024 12:53:40 GMT -8
You mean, like possibly UNLV later today? As of right now, according to the linked articles on another thread, we are in a standoff with the MWC, in that each conference currently has 7 members. UNLV stating they were staying was when the conference still had the required 8 votes to continue enforcing their GOR agreement. They do not. USU refused to sign.
Don't be surprised to see UNLV still join us. As was stated on another thread by I think Henry - "how dare they want more money and relevance in a P5 conference!"  Surely, you don't think the reconstructed Pac 12 is going to be considered a "P5" conference. I wasn't necessarily confident one way or the other. I was hopeful that if the schools in the new rebuilt Pac12 conference could meet certain criteria - we had a chance to maintain P5 status. Are you saying we have no chance?
Is it based on known metrics, or a bunch of asshat TV execs and the SEC/ B1G cabal making the decision, based on nothing but arrogance and nonsense? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 24, 2024 12:58:21 GMT -8
Surely, you don't think the reconstructed Pac 12 is going to be considered a "P5" conference. I wasn't necessarily confident one way or the other. I was hopeful that if the schools in the new rebuilt Pac12 conference could meet certain criteria - we had a chance to maintain P5 status. Are you saying we have no chance?
Is it based on known metrics, or a bunch of asshat TV execs and the SEC/ B1G cabal making the decision, based on nothing but arrogance and nonsense? Hard to "maintain" P5 status when we've already lost it. We have already been voted out. The P4 conferences are not going to vote us back in. There is no chance. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 13:00:05 GMT -8
I wasn't necessarily confident one way or the other. I was hopeful that if the schools in the new rebuilt Pac12 conference could meet certain criteria - we had a chance to maintain P5 status. Are you saying we have no chance?
Is it based on known metrics, or a bunch of asshat TV execs and the SEC/ B1G cabal making the decision, based on nothing but arrogance and nonsense? Hard to "maintain" P5 status when we've already lost it. We have already been voted out. The P4 conferences are not going to vote us back in. There is no chance. This is fatalistic. I disagree. Maybe 1% chance. It is unlikely, but there is categorically not "no chance." |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 24, 2024 13:00:46 GMT -8
Surely, you don't think the reconstructed Pac 12 is going to be considered a "P5" conference. I wasn't necessarily confident one way or the other. I was hopeful that if the schools in the new rebuilt Pac12 conference could meet certain criteria - we had a chance to maintain P5 status. Are you saying we have no chance?
Is it based on known metrics, or a bunch of asshat TV execs and the SEC/ B1G cabal making the decision, based on nothing but arrogance and nonsense? Don't know the metrics, but basically adding OSU/Wazzu to the MW isn't P5.......maybe with best AAC schools, and Cal/Furd?? I'm pretty sure the only attainable goal (I hope) is to be the best G5 conference. I think that was the idea with the AAC schools. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 24, 2024 13:01:05 GMT -8
Hard to "maintain" P5 status when we've already lost it. We have already been voted out. The P4 conferences are not going to vote us back in. There is no chance. This is fatalistic. I disagree. Maybe 1% chance. It is unlikely, but there is categorically not "no chance." ![]()  |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 24, 2024 13:05:21 GMT -8
By the way, an incredibly beautiful campus in my opinion.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 13:13:32 GMT -8
By the way, an incredibly beautiful campus in my opinion. I was there for our 1998 game in Logan. I've already talked with several of my tailgating friends about a potential road trip there when we play them. A long but relatively simple drive, driving 12-13 hours on 1-84 through miles of moonscape in Oregon, Idaho and Utah is quite different than 12-13 hours south on I-5. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 14:20:08 GMT -8
Some rudimentary research.
Bowls and NCAA tournament games are widely considered signs of success in their respective sports. So, since the 2011-12 school year:
School A: 5 bowls, 3 NCAA games, 8 total.
School B: 6 bowls, 0 NCAA tournament games, 6 total.
School C: 11 bowls, 5 NCAA tournament games, 16 total.
School D: 9 bowls, 11 NCAA tournament games, 20 total.
School A (South Florida) and B (Tulane) are clearly inferior to school C (USU), which is less successful than school D (Memphis) by a small margin.
South Florida and Tulane would have been poor additions to our conference and would have been an expensive road trip. Memphis/USU is a wash; Memphis has had marginally more success, and is a larger market, but is much further away.
We did very well in dodging the Tulane/USF bullet.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 15:43:56 GMT -8
Some rudimentary research. Bowls and NCAA tournament games are widely considered signs of success in their respective sports. So, since the 2011-12 school year: School A: 5 bowls, 3 NCAA games, 8 total. School B: 6 bowls, 0 NCAA tournament games, 6 total. School C: 11 bowls, 5 NCAA tournament games, 16 total. School D: 9 bowls, 11 NCAA tournament games, 20 total. School A (South Florida) and B (Tulane) are clearly inferior to school C (USU), which is less successful than school D (Memphis) by a small margin. South Florida and Tulane would have been poor additions to our conference and would have been an expensive road trip. Memphis/USU is a wash; Memphis has had marginally more success, and is a larger market, but is much further away. We did very well in dodging the Tulane/USF bullet. South Florida was basically a demand that Memphis and Tulane made. They wanted at least a four-team Eastern pod. And San Antonio and Tampa are about the nicest trips for them. Plus, media markets. And then, you have to think of bowl games. You want a presence in or near Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Tampa. I am worried that we may be shut out of bowls East of El Paso without a presence East of El Paso. And then you have to think of bowl games that might be available in that geographic area............And I get sad. |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 24, 2024 15:53:38 GMT -8
A quote from one of the Utah State fans on their message board: "We are the cat that BSU and SDSU drop off in the country only to return the next day."  |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 24, 2024 15:54:40 GMT -8
Some rudimentary research. Bowls and NCAA tournament games are widely considered signs of success in their respective sports. So, since the 2011-12 school year: School A: 5 bowls, 3 NCAA games, 8 total. School B: 6 bowls, 0 NCAA tournament games, 6 total. School C: 11 bowls, 5 NCAA tournament games, 16 total. School D: 9 bowls, 11 NCAA tournament games, 20 total. School A (South Florida) and B (Tulane) are clearly inferior to school C (USU), which is less successful than school D (Memphis) by a small margin. South Florida and Tulane would have been poor additions to our conference and would have been an expensive road trip. Memphis/USU is a wash; Memphis has had marginally more success, and is a larger market, but is much further away. We did very well in dodging the Tulane/USF bullet. South Florida was basically a demand that Memphis and Tulane made. They wanted at least a four-team Eastern pod. And San Antonio and Tampa are about the nicest trips for them. Plus, media markets. And then, you have to think of bowl games. You want a presence in or near Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Tampa. I am worried that we may be shut out of bowls East of El Paso without a presence East of El Paso. And then you have to think of bowl games that might be available in that geographic area............And I get sad. Bowl games? Are we talking about Bowl games? 12 team playoff is the final nail in the bowl system. It might happen this year that teams can't even field a bowl team due to opt outs and transfers. Freshman redshirts playing both ways in bowl games to field a team??? |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 24, 2024 15:58:02 GMT -8
I politely disagree with that assessment. There is far too much money to be made with the seemingly endless supply of second and third tier bowl games for them to disappear.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 16:32:15 GMT -8
South Florida was basically a demand that Memphis and Tulane made. They wanted at least a four-team Eastern pod. And San Antonio and Tampa are about the nicest trips for them. Plus, media markets. And then, you have to think of bowl games. You want a presence in or near Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Tampa. I am worried that we may be shut out of bowls East of El Paso without a presence East of El Paso. And then you have to think of bowl games that might be available in that geographic area............And I get sad. Bowl games? Are we talking about Bowl games? 12 team playoff is the final nail in the bowl system. It might happen this year that teams can't even field a bowl team due to opt outs and transfers. Freshman redshirts playing both ways in bowl games to field a team??? The Citrus and Pop-Tarts (both in Orlando) and ReliaQuest (in Tampa) outdrew the Civil War last year and are likely to do so this year. The 2024 Civil War was the sixth most-watched football game two weekends ago. But bowl games with higher viewership in 2023 than the 2024 Civil War are (in order) the Alamo (San Antonio), Mayo, Liberty (Memphis), Holiday (San Diego), Gator (Jacksonville), Sun (El Paso), Las Vegas, Texas, and Pinstripe Bowls. Yes, we are talking about bowl games. Love it or hate it, outside of the Civil War, Oregon State's bowl game is almost always the most meaningful game of the year on a national level. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 16:41:20 GMT -8
South Florida was basically a demand that Memphis and Tulane made. They wanted at least a four-team Eastern pod. And San Antonio and Tampa are about the nicest trips for them. Plus, media markets. And then, you have to think of bowl games. You want a presence in or near Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Tampa. I am worried that we may be shut out of bowls East of El Paso without a presence East of El Paso. And then you have to think of bowl games that might be available in that geographic area............And I get sad. Bowl games? Are we talking about Bowl games? 12 team playoff is the final nail in the bowl system. It might happen this year that teams can't even field a bowl team due to opt outs and transfers. Freshman redshirts playing both ways in bowl games to field a team??? Before the advent of the CFP and the portal, bowl games were a pretty good reflection of how good your program was. All I was illustrating was, since 2011, Utah State has been a pretty decent football program. |
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