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Post by TheGlove on Sept 16, 2024 13:25:22 GMT -8
I think the bottom line here is that whooping cough is highly contagious AND highly preventable if everyone follows the recommended guidelines for vaccinations. Herd immunity, etc. Contracting whooping cough is very rare in the US. Why is that? Because most people listen to their doctors and get vaccinated.
Also, don't all public schools (including Universities) require their student to be up to date with their vaccinations? That would blow wilky obnoxious stat about resident aliens.
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 16, 2024 13:32:29 GMT -8
Cancelling a football game due to a vaccine preventable disease outbreak. We have reached peak f%#*ing stupid. Peak.f%#*ing.Stupid. as a society. (the fact the outbreak happened, not the cancelling that needed to happen)  Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! First, it was one player! Second, the pertussis vaccine ranges in effectiveness from 41%-58% to 71%-85%. pertussis vaccine is not a magical cure-all. Even at its best, 15% of people, who have been inoculated, can still get pertussis. The problem was that the one player with it exposed other players. Third, the pertussis vaccine only lasts 4-12 years. After that, it produces reduced effectiveness over time. This is partly by design, because pertussis is generally awful for children under four, but pertussis tends to be more mild among healthy adults. Fourth, you are presupposing that everyone on the team is from the United States of America, and they are not. 90.2% of Americans aged 18-22 have been inoculated against TDap. That number is stupid high. But resident aliens often have an obnoxiously low vaccination rate, when compared to people who were born in the United States of America. I disagree with the general tenor and tone of your post. Pertussis vaccine is important, but certain policy decisions make me think that certain sectors of society think that other policy decisions are more important than the general health of American citizens. If you are saying that all American policy should be geared toward limiting the number of deaths related to pertussis, I 100% agree with you. But I personally doubt that you or the dog-pilers to your post do. I will say that all American policy should be geared toward limiting the number of deaths related to pertussis. A truly awful disease, which primarily attacks the most vulnerable Americans. I could go on, but I will not. One confirmed case (obviously exposing other players, if not the whole team..."highly contagious") and depending on what news source you read/watch/listen to: "a whooping cough outbreak impacted many players on the Vikings’ roster." "...an outbreak of whooping cough on Vikings team. PSU had players ill on Thursday. They were quarantined. A number of other players were exposed." "...several additional PSU players exhibiting symptoms of upper respiratory illness, though they had not yet been officially diagnosed at the time of the game. Multiple players were in close contact with the infected individual." |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2024 14:20:44 GMT -8
I think the bottom line here is that whooping cough is highly contagious AND highly preventable if everyone follows the recommended guidelines for vaccinations. Herd immunity, etc. Contracting whooping cough is very rare in the US. Why is that? Because most people listen to their doctors and get vaccinated. Also, don't all public schools (including Universities) require their student to be up to date with their vaccinations? That would blow Wilky obnoxious stat about resident aliens. In the State of Oregon, the only requirement to attend a university is that you were at least inoculated for measles. Portland State makes it the full MMR. But DTaP/Tdap is not required. There are I think seven states that require a pertussis vaccine: Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Virginia, and West Virginia. And I should add that those vaccine "requirements" get to be really squishy, because you can often apply for exemption for multiple reasons. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 14:27:06 GMT -8
Cancelling a football game due to a vaccine preventable disease outbreak. We have reached peak f%#*ing stupid. Peak.f%#*ing.Stupid. as a society. (the fact the outbreak happened, not the cancelling that needed to happen) Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! First, it was one player! Second, the pertussis vaccine ranges in effectiveness from 41%-58% to 71%-85%. pertussis vaccine is not a magical cure-all. Even at its best, 15% of people, who have been inoculated, can still get pertussis. The problem was that the one player with it exposed other players. Third, the pertussis vaccine only lasts 4-12 years. After that, it produces reduced effectiveness over time. This is partly by design, because pertussis is generally awful for children under four, but pertussis tends to be more mild among healthy adults. Fourth, you are presupposing that everyone on the team is from the United States of America, and they are not. 90.2% of Americans aged 18-22 have been inoculated against TDap. That number is stupid high. But resident aliens often have an obnoxiously low vaccination rate, when compared to people who were born in the United States of America. I disagree with the general tenor and tone of your post. Pertussis vaccine is important, but certain policy decisions make me think that certain sectors of society think that other policy decisions are more important than the general health of American citizens. If you are saying that all American policy should be geared toward limiting the number of deaths related to pertussis, I 100% agree with you. But I personally doubt that you or the dog-pilers to your post do. I will say that all American policy should be geared toward limiting the number of deaths related to pertussis. A truly awful disease, which primarily attacks the most vulnerable Americans. I could go on, but I will not. Wilky, my man, I have a Master Degree in Epidemiology from our prestigious Oregon State University. I know we like to banter and go back and forth on a lot of things, I ain't gonna bother debating this one. I don't have the time, energy or inclination. It has been exhausting four years of this s%#t. But FWIW, my attack was not on any specific person at PSU. but rather the general citizenry of this country, for it not its abject idiocy, whopping cough and other vaccine preventable disease would of and and should of gone the way of small pox and polio. It is not anyone thing or person, but the culmination of stupidity and failure over long periods of time that let s%#t fester. Whooping cough shouldn't exist anymore. But instead, year to date we have quadruple the rate of whooping cough compared with last year and it is still growing. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 14:36:29 GMT -8
I was going to check my watch while walking uphill, but I had neither the time nor the inclination.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2024 14:37:17 GMT -8
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! First, it was one player! Second, the pertussis vaccine ranges in effectiveness from 41%-58% to 71%-85%. pertussis vaccine is not a magical cure-all. Even at its best, 15% of people, who have been inoculated, can still get pertussis. The problem was that the one player with it exposed other players. Third, the pertussis vaccine only lasts 4-12 years. After that, it produces reduced effectiveness over time. This is partly by design, because pertussis is generally awful for children under four, but pertussis tends to be more mild among healthy adults. Fourth, you are presupposing that everyone on the team is from the United States of America, and they are not. 90.2% of Americans aged 18-22 have been inoculated against TDap. That number is stupid high. But resident aliens often have an obnoxiously low vaccination rate, when compared to people who were born in the United States of America. I disagree with the general tenor and tone of your post. Pertussis vaccine is important, but certain policy decisions make me think that certain sectors of society think that other policy decisions are more important than the general health of American citizens. If you are saying that all American policy should be geared toward limiting the number of deaths related to pertussis, I 100% agree with you. But I personally doubt that you or the dog-pilers to your post do. I will say that all American policy should be geared toward limiting the number of deaths related to pertussis. A truly awful disease, which primarily attacks the most vulnerable Americans. I could go on, but I will not. Wilky, my man, I have a Master Degree in Epidemiology from our prestigious Oregon State University. I know we like to banter and go back and forth on a lot of things, I ain't gonna bother debating this one. I don't have the time, energy or inclination. It has been exhausting four years of this s%#t. But FWIW, my attack was not on any specific person at PSU. but rather the general citizenry of this country, for it not its abject idiocy, whopping cough and other vaccine preventable disease would of and and should of gone the way of small pox and polio. It is not anyone thing or person, but the culmination of stupidity and failure over long periods of time that let s%#t fester. Whooping cough shouldn't exist anymore.
But instead, year to date we have quadruple the rate of whooping cough compared with last year and it is still growing. Nationally or statewide? |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 16, 2024 15:25:57 GMT -8
I think the bottom line here is that whooping cough is highly contagious AND highly preventable if everyone follows the recommended guidelines for vaccinations. Herd immunity, etc. Contracting whooping cough is very rare in the US. Why is that? Because most people listen to their doctors and get vaccinated. Also, don't all public schools (including Universities) require their student to be up to date with their vaccinations? That would blow wilky obnoxious stat about resident aliens. Oregon public schools have a rather detailed process for families to follow—Without going into it in boring/exhaustive detail, suffice it to say that the vast majority of families saw the value in having their children immunized, and saw to it that they were. There is also a set of exemptions that families can claim (as an example, a religious exemption) that exempt their children from immunizations. My primary issue was almost always in dealing with families who would not provide the school with the necessary records or exemptions in advance of the exclusion date (mid-February) despite numerous reminders. They would ignore the information requirements/repeared notices, and then get very upset, even confrontational, when told their child(ren) couldn’t be in school until that information was forthcoming. The longest holdout on this in my experience was about two weeks. |
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 16, 2024 15:51:24 GMT -8
I once got thrown out of a bar in Buffalo NY cause one of my buddies played "Whoop there it is" on repeat on a jukebox - they tossed our whole group on the 5th go around . . .
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 16, 2024 16:15:58 GMT -8
I once got thrown out of a bar in Buffalo NY cause one of my buddies played "Whoop there it is" on repeat on a jukebox - they tossed our whole group on the 5th go around . . . Rightfully so. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 16, 2024 16:24:11 GMT -8
Wilky, my man, I have a Master Degree in Epidemiology from our prestigious Oregon State University. I know we like to banter and go back and forth on a lot of things, I ain't gonna bother debating this one. I don't have the time, energy or inclination. It has been exhausting four years of this s%#t. But FWIW, my attack was not on any specific person at PSU. but rather the general citizenry of this country, for it not its abject idiocy, whopping cough and other vaccine preventable disease would of and and should of gone the way of small pox and polio. It is not anyone thing or person, but the culmination of stupidity and failure over long periods of time that let s%#t fester. Whooping cough shouldn't exist anymore.
But instead, year to date we have quadruple the rate of whooping cough compared with last year and it is still growing. Nationally or statewide? I was specifically referring to the CDC's MMR reports with that line, so quadruple nationwide. But in Oregon we have 20.52 times the amount of cases of whooping cough compared to the same time as last year... so we have that going for us, which is nice. I should of lead with that one, but it is a pain getting Oregon's data, we bury it in dashboards and I didn't want to do my own math. I'm lazy. As of August, we've had 513 cases of Pertussis, compared to 25 through the same time last year. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2024 19:33:14 GMT -8
I was specifically referring to the CDC's MMR reports with that line, so quadruple nationwide. But in Oregon we have 20.52 times the amount of cases of whooping cough compared to the same time as last year... so we have that going for us, which is nice. I should of lead with that one, but it is a pain getting Oregon's data, we bury it in dashboards and I didn't want to do my own math. I'm lazy. As of August, we've had 513 cases of Pertussis, compared to 25 through the same time last year. Pertussis is cyclical. Where are we on the cycle? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 16, 2024 21:27:49 GMT -8
I once got thrown out of a bar in Buffalo NY cause one of my buddies played "Whoop there it is" on repeat on a jukebox - they tossed our whole group on the 5th go around . . . That kind of behavior isn't acceptable at Cole's. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 16, 2024 22:46:22 GMT -8
I think every second or third grade class should have a field trip to a graveyard. Take 'em to the section that filled up from the 1940' through the 70's/80's (assuming they fill in outward ir by section). Nowadays you'd probably get some mad parents.
My first job was digging walkways in a graveyard, county work crew. Tons of buried children, many with parents buried decades later, til about 1963/64/65 or so, then rare to see a child headstone. Of course, you'd have to explain why. Kids stopped dying the year school vaccines came out, at least where I grew up anyways.
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 17, 2024 2:14:34 GMT -8
I once got thrown out of a bar in Buffalo NY cause one of my buddies played "Whoop there it is" on repeat on a jukebox - they tossed our whole group on the 5th go around . . . That kind of behavior isn't acceptable at Cole's. It actually was Cole's! So you're spot on |
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 17, 2024 2:15:04 GMT -8
I once got thrown out of a bar in Buffalo NY cause one of my buddies played "Whoop there it is" on repeat on a jukebox - they tossed our whole group on the 5th go around . . . Rightfully so. Oh I won't plead innocence but it was kinda funny |
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