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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 14, 2024 6:53:30 GMT -8
The greater LA media market is the grand prize that occasioned the breakup of the PAC-12. USC claims ownership of it (with some plausibility) and conned UCLA into transplanting that market into the B1G’s media portfolio.
BUT that media market (18.4 million) is greatly underserved when it comes to local college football with only 2 FBS institutions. It could EASILY support another. The problem, you’d have to start another program from scratch.
Now pro teams do it all the time. The AFL and ABA were founded on the principle of cultivating underserved markets, often in direct competition with NFL and NBA teams/markets (Yes, I know college and pro sports are totally different animals).
How about UC Orange County? More commonly known as UC Irvine?
Admittedly, it is an insane idea. Admittedly, it can never happen. Admittedly the timeline for starting any new program from scratch and getting it to FBS classification is impossible.
But if all of those things weren’t totally impossible, it is an intriguing solution to reestablishing a major foothold in that prized and valuable gigantic (and for now, lost) media market. And media markets are what big-time college football is all about these days.
*For those unfamiliar with Southern California demographics, population of Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties = 7.7 million. Population of Oregon = 4.2 million.
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 14, 2024 7:24:13 GMT -8
Is it called a pipe dream cause that's what you were smoking when you thought of it?
*Not targeted at you Werebeaver; just focused on the expression and nuances of the English language
**This one is targeted at you Werebeaver; I dunno if that's what it's supposed to mean but I like to think of you as the beaver equivalent of a werewolf
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 14, 2024 7:33:07 GMT -8
Is it called a pipe dream cause that's what you were smoking when you thought of it? *Not targeted at you Werebeaver; just focused on the expression and nuances of the English language **This one is targeted at you Werebeaver; I dunno if that's what it's supposed to mean but I like to think of you as the beaver equivalent of a werewolf While I’ve never smoked opium (despite being a beaver football fan through the 70s 80s and 90s), the etymology of the phrase “pipe dream” dates back to the 1890’s and the days of opium dens, where outlandish fantastical visions were a dime a dozen. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 7:33:33 GMT -8
Maybe two years I proposed Long Beach restart their football program with the thought LBSU would help the PAC with the LA market. My posts were part serious and part joking/needling. If there's a school in the LA area that would have a team, I think Long Beach is a better choice than Cal State LA, Fullerton or CSUN.
15 years ago when I had an office space in San Bernardino, there was talk and some efforts to see if UCRiverside and Cal State San Bernardino could combine for a D1 football team and then build an about 35k stadium likely in San Berdoo.
I believe the inland empire is ripe for a team. Almost everyone has no connection with UCLA or Southern Cal.
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Post by scottishsteel on Sept 14, 2024 7:35:49 GMT -8
Is it called a pipe dream cause that's what you were smoking when you thought of it? *Not targeted at you Werebeaver; just focused on the expression and nuances of the English language **This one is targeted at you Werebeaver; I dunno if that's what it's supposed to mean but I like to think of you as the beaver equivalent of a werewolf While I’ve never smoked opium, the etymology of the phrase “pipe dream” dates back to the 1890’s and the days of opium dens, where outlandish fantastical visions were a dime a dozen. So I wasn't that far off; I'll give myself some points for that one . . . +3 for ScottishSteel |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2024 7:38:56 GMT -8
Once the Pac 12 gets re-established, it could be that the impossible/impractical pipedream might not be all that impossible.
I would think it could only happen at a later stage, after the league is considered "legit". Many people consider the MWC conference additions "not" Power 4 level teams, yet UNLV has already beaten two Big 12 teams this season. Given a couple years, the Pac whatever could be stronger than at least some people think. After that occurs, maybe they could help address creating a new Southern Cal FBS team without it being looked at as a watering down of the league.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 7:40:40 GMT -8
The greater LA media market is the grand prize that occasioned the breakup of the PAC-12. USC claims ownership of it (with some plausibility) and conned UCLA into transplanting that market into the B1G’s media portfolio. BUT that media market (18.4 million) is greatly underserved when it comes to local college football with only 2 FBS institutions. It could EASILY support another. The problem, you’d have to start another program from scratch. Now pro teams do it all the time. The AFL and ABA were founded on the principle of cultivating underserved markets, often in direct competition with NFL and NBA teams/markets (Yes, I know college and pro sports are totally different animals). How about UC Orange County? More commonly known as UC Irvine? Admittedly, it is an insane idea. Admittedly, it can never happen. Admittedly the timeline for starting any new program from scratch and getting it to FBS classification is impossible. But if all of those things weren’t totally impossible, it is an intriguing solution to reestablishing a major foothold in that prized and valuable gigantic (and for now, lost) media market. And media markets are what big-time college football is all about these days. *For those unfamiliar with Southern California demographics, population of Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties = 7.7 million. Population of Oregon = 4.2 million. The Cal State system has more relaxed acceptance standards for students . . . probably a UC school is not the best choice. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 14, 2024 7:43:17 GMT -8
Maybe two years I proposed Long Beach restart their football program with the thought LBSU would help the PAC with the LA market. My posts were part serious and part joking/needling. If there's a school in the LA area that would have a team, I think Long Beach is a better choice than Cal State LA, Fullerton or CSUN. 15 years ago when I had an office space in San Bernardino, there was talk and some efforts to see if UCRiverside and Cal State San Bernardino could combine for a D1 football team and then build an about 35k stadium likely in San Berdoo. I believe the inland empire is ripe for a team. Almost everyone has no connection with UCLA or Southern Cal. And if the obstacles I listed previously weren’t enough, getting the UC board of regents to approve something they could see as damaging to their Berkeley and Los Angeles campuses might be a non-starter. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 14, 2024 7:45:42 GMT -8
The greater LA media market is the grand prize that occasioned the breakup of the PAC-12. USC claims ownership of it (with some plausibility) and conned UCLA into transplanting that market into the B1G’s media portfolio. BUT that media market (18.4 million) is greatly underserved when it comes to local college football with only 2 FBS institutions. It could EASILY support another. The problem, you’d have to start another program from scratch. Now pro teams do it all the time. The AFL and ABA were founded on the principle of cultivating underserved markets, often in direct competition with NFL and NBA teams/markets (Yes, I know college and pro sports are totally different animals). How about UC Orange County? More commonly known as UC Irvine? Admittedly, it is an insane idea. Admittedly, it can never happen. Admittedly the timeline for starting any new program from scratch and getting it to FBS classification is impossible. But if all of those things weren’t totally impossible, it is an intriguing solution to reestablishing a major foothold in that prized and valuable gigantic (and for now, lost) media market. And media markets are what big-time college football is all about these days. *For those unfamiliar with Southern California demographics, population of Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties = 7.7 million. Population of Oregon = 4.2 million. The Cal State system has more relaxed acceptance standards for students . . . probably a UC school is not the best choice. True enough but UC alums (potential boosters) are on average more wealthy than their Cal St cohorts. And these decisions are all about the money. |
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Post by grumpybeaver on Sept 14, 2024 8:07:38 GMT -8
I think the real issue is that media do not understand the LA market as it relates to the old PAC. I would wager that the combined alum/parents of alum viewership of the 10 non-LA exceeds that of the LA schools. Nobody is from LA. Furthermore, for decades the top UCs have shunned CA residents to chase out of state tuition. Those kids don’t stay. The CA kids flock to out of state PAC schools over Cal State system, and then come home. The point is that the LA market was not really lost when LA schools left. Certainly could have been solidified with quick SDSU add.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 14, 2024 8:14:50 GMT -8
So let me get this straight.
LA only cares about USC and UCLA when they are good, so let's take another LA market school with no existing football program and build it up from scratch.
Got it
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 14, 2024 8:19:37 GMT -8
So let me get this straight. LA only cares about USC and UCLA when they are good, so let's take another LA market school with no existing football program and build it up from scratch. Got it What part of “pipe dream” don’t you understand? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 14, 2024 8:26:57 GMT -8
So let me get this straight. LA only cares about USC and UCLA when they are good, so let's take another LA market school with no existing football program and build it up from scratch. Got it What part of “pipe dream” don’t you understand? More like a fentanyl fantasy. |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2024 8:28:15 GMT -8
So let me get this straight. LA only cares about USC and UCLA when they are good, so let's take another LA market school with no existing football program and build it up from scratch. Got it In fairness, the casual fans only care if they are winning. Alumni and those with a direct connection always care. But I don't think those two schools have much more living alumni than we do. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 14, 2024 8:58:46 GMT -8
So let me get this straight. LA only cares about USC and UCLA when they are good, so let's take another LA market school with no existing football program and build it up from scratch. Got it In fairness, the casual fans only care if they are winning. Alumni and those with a direct connection always care. But I don't think those two schools have much more living alumni than we do. Pretty easy to google. Living alumni: UCLA 662,000 USC 451,000 OSU 215,000 |
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