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Post by Mike84 on Oct 21, 2016 12:56:24 GMT -8
When you're going into a game with very little momentum, a 3rd-string QB, and on the road as 38-point underdogs, there's not a lot of fan interest in discussing it in depth. Or even listening to others discuss it. The Oct. 19 episode of "Talkin' Beavers" on YouTube has a whopping 15 views. I listened to a bit of it yesterday. I found a few interesting things in this panel discussion with Nigel Burton, James Dockery, Lindsay Schnell, and host Amanda Maynard. I put the most weight into what Nigel Burton says. He's got the most experience by far and he knows a heck of a lot about football (even if he did use the word "matriculating" in a way that my dictionary doesn't think is quite right  ). On the general trend for OSU football right now: "Three weeks ago, they go to Colorado, who's in first place in the South, lose by 41 points. Then turn around, beat Cal. And then, the other team who's first in the South, you really outplay them, should have beat them, and lose by 5 at home. I mean, there's no question they're moving in the right direction. Just like Lindsay said they're beat up right now. You know, I think fans want to see this linear improvement and anybody who's dealt with 18 to 22 year olds knows it's never linear. [The roller coaster] is just how it goes. I think as much as there's been ebbs and flows, it is still matriculating [?] upward. So, I don't have any question on that. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that it's not." On whether Paul Lucas should take up some of the rushing load with Nall injured: "I think the load should fall to Artavis Pierce and Tim Cook. I'd actually like to see Paul Lucas get a lot more run out in the slot, because they're struggling at wide receiver SO badly. They can't get guys to run the right routes, make plays in space. I'd like to see Paul Lucas to get a chance to really affect the game more out there and let two guys we feel pretty confident in in the backfield in Pierce and Cook get some run back there." Regarding the effect of having to now move to Marcus McMaryion at QB after losing Garretson and Blount: "Listen, I trust the coaching staff. I've been to plenty of Oregon State practices. If you go to practices and you pay attention, there is no doubt that the number 1 and number 2 quarterbacks at Oregon State were Darrell Garretson and Conor Blount. There wasn't any like, 'Well you know...maybe...". There just wasn't, in term of command of the offense, command of the huddle, completion percentage in practice... I mean, I remember watching Fall Camp *last* year and Marcus -- and Seth for that matter -- struggled to do a bubble drill. A bubble. I mean literally I guy just looping and dumping it out to him. I think the completion percentage was like 25 percent. I don't know what's going to happen this week. I'm hopeful that some things turn the corner... There's nothing that will help Marcus like a run game and I don't dismiss the fact that they will be able to run the ball with *some* effect on Saturday." That's certainly a sobering assessment of Marcus. But, on the other hand, his talk of the bubble drill was from *last* year, by which I think he means the 2015 Fall Camp. Marcus has obviously grown since then. The end of the Utah game was somewhat encouraging. And Marcus is what we've got, so the team and coaches need to make it work. Mike Parker had this to say about what encourages him about McMaryion: "The main thing is his poise, his lack of being rattled. Kevin McGiven, his coach..the quarterback coach and coordinator....told me this week that nothing really fazes him, there's an even keel demeanor that I think inspires confidence for his teammates. The offensive line has all come together, the receivers, the O-line, the coaches...everybody on this team is rallying behind a guy they really believe in, they really like, they really trust." It's a hard week because we all just want to see improvement and that's going to be hard to see when taking this injury-plagued team to Seattle against a top-5 team. I've watched the UW/duck game and I've watched all the Beaver games of course. I think it's pretty clear that our offense will likely struggle. I think our defense will do well but may spend way too much time on the field. As I said before, I just want to see us beat the point spread...hopefully by at least 10 points. Beyond that, just play hard, never give up, and let's hope we come of out it not much more beat up. Go Beavs! Mike '84 |
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Post by obf on Oct 21, 2016 13:31:45 GMT -8
Nice Post Mike! As far as McM goes... I was talking to a staffer the other day (non-coach, but travels with the team) and he agreed with me that Marcus is actually the best passer on the team, throws the best ball, has the best arm... Now... Decision making, running, accuracy in actual game situations, but especially in the moment decision making... all those things are in question and are what has been holding him back. Of course to be honest he hasn't gotten much of a chance to prove himself or test himself in actual games... To help with the yips/hesitancy and decision making I hope and will be looking for lots of predetermined throws... bubble screens to the WR, slants, rb screens, rollout TE drags (only two options throw to the dragger or run to the sideline), etc. High percentage and predetermined, especially early to help him get a rhythm. Hopefully we get an improved (and improving) version of McM from last years civil war and not what we saw of him, well, from anytime else in 2015  As long as we beat the spread and keep Washington from scoring more than 70... I think I will be appeased... keep it competitive through three quarters and I will be happy. Keep it competitive for the whole game (read as, ahead or down by less than 1 score, maybe 10pts) and I will be ecstatic. WIN the game and I will be OVER THE MOON. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 21, 2016 14:32:20 GMT -8
TE drags would be great, but we don't have any pass catching TEs available. It sounds like Ortiz may be able to go this weekend as a hybrid, but the loss of Togiai has been huge.
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Post by obf on Oct 21, 2016 14:44:43 GMT -8
TE drags would be great, but we don't have any pass catching TEs available. It sounds like Ortiz may be able to go this weekend as a hybrid, but the loss of Togiai has been huge. Agreed, it would be great to have Togiai still, but an RB in the flat, a crossing WR can be a similar target on a boot (although usually more closely guarded than a TE that disengages a block with a tackle and then drags). Hopefully, Ortiz is back and can fill that role, or drag from the FB (or whatever type of Back they call him now). I know GA was giving Tuli Wily-Matagi some props for playing a lot against Utah and doing a good job, I assume he meant in the run blocking game because I didn't see him run a route or be the target of a pass... Does he do any pass catching? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 15:03:56 GMT -8
I would like to keep the Huskies from scoring 50+ and I will be appeased. Competitive for at least 1/2 the game by staying within 2 TD's at half and I will be happy. Keep it semi competitive the whole game ( 1st half is what we would expect 28-10ish, and then maybe UW pours it on a bit with beavs wearing down end of game 48-13 or 48-17) and I will be ecstatic.
Of course, OSU pulling a "1985" and winning would mean someone's waking me up with smelling salts because my head just exploded!
Would love to hear the old Darryl Aune quote..."and the beavers have scorrrrred in Seattle..woo hoo"
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 21, 2016 15:46:33 GMT -8
That's certainly a sobering assessment of Marcus. But, on the other hand, his talk of the bubble drill was from *last* year, by which I think he means the 2015 Fall Camp. Marcus has obviously grown since then. The end of the Utah game was somewhat encouraging. And Marcus is what we've got, so the team and coaches need to make it work. Go Beavs! Mike '84 Signs are certainly much better than they were at Colorado. Last year we got stomped in succession by Arizona and WSU, then looked competitive vs Colorado & Utah. Of course, we then got embarrassed by UCLA, Cal, and UW consecutively before awakening in the 2nd half of the Civil War. My hope for McMaryion is from the CW. He was 11/21 for 154, 0 TDs and 1 INT. Not a great line, but miles ahead of the passing we've seen this year. I'd be ecstatic with 50+% completions, 7+yds per attempt, and keeping the TD/INT ratio within -1. Anything better than a tail-tucking beatdown from UW would actually show signs of improvement from last season, which IS the direction we want to be heading. Getting destroyed by a top 5 team on the road wouldn't necessarily be a sign we are on the wrong track, just a sign we're not as improved as we want to be. Wazzu, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona, hole games will be better measures of whether we're still heading in the right direction. |
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Post by zeroposter on Oct 21, 2016 16:26:54 GMT -8
Some guys are great practice guys. Some guys are game guys. I am hoping Marcus shows some gamer traits against the best team the Beavers face this year.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Oct 21, 2016 21:14:51 GMT -8
When you're going into a game with very little momentum, a 3rd-string QB, and on the road as 38-point underdogs, there's not a lot of fan interest in discussing it in depth. Or even listening to others discuss it. The Oct. 19 episode of "Talkin' Beavers" on YouTube has a whopping 15 views. I listened to a bit of it yesterday. I found a few interesting things in this panel discussion with Nigel Burton, James Dockery, Lindsay Schnell, and host Amanda Maynard. I put the most weight into what Nigel Burton says. He's got the most experience by far and he knows a heck of a lot about football (even if he did use the word "matriculating" in a way that my dictionary doesn't think is quite right ). On the general trend for OSU football right now: "Three weeks ago, they go to Colorado, who's in first place in the South, lose by 41 points. Then turn around, beat Cal. And then, the other team who's first in the South, you really outplay them, should have beat them, and lose by 5 at home. I mean, there's no question they're moving in the right direction. Just like Lindsay said they're beat up right now. You know, I think fans want to see this linear improvement and anybody who's dealt with 18 to 22 year olds knows it's never linear. [The roller coaster] is just how it goes. I think as much as there's been ebbs and flows, it is still matriculating [?] upward. So, I don't have any question on that. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that it's not." On whether Paul Lucas should take up some of the rushing load with Nall injured: "I think the load should fall to Artavis Pierce and Tim Cook. I'd actually like to see Paul Lucas get a lot more run out in the slot, because they're struggling at wide receiver SO badly. They can't get guys to run the right routes, make plays in space. I'd like to see Paul Lucas to get a chance to really affect the game more out there and let two guys we feel pretty confident in in the backfield in Pierce and Cook get some run back there." Regarding the effect of having to now move to Marcus McMaryion at QB after losing Garretson and Blount: "Listen, I trust the coaching staff. I've been to plenty of Oregon State practices. If you go to practices and you pay attention, there is no doubt that the number 1 and number 2 quarterbacks at Oregon State were Darrell Garretson and Conor Blount. There wasn't any like, 'Well you know...maybe...". There just wasn't, in term of command of the offense, command of the huddle, completion percentage in practice... I mean, I remember watching Fall Camp *last* year and Marcus -- and Seth for that matter -- struggled to do a bubble drill. A bubble. I mean literally I guy just looping and dumping it out to him. I think the completion percentage was like 25 percent. I don't know what's going to happen this week. I'm hopeful that some things turn the corner... There's nothing that will help Marcus like a run game and I don't dismiss the fact that they will be able to run the ball with *some* effect on Saturday." That's certainly a sobering assessment of Marcus. But, on the other hand, his talk of the bubble drill was from *last* year, by which I think he means the 2015 Fall Camp. Marcus has obviously grown since then. The end of the Utah game was somewhat encouraging. And Marcus is what we've got, so the team and coaches need to make it work. Mike Parker had this to say about what encourages him about McMaryion: "The main thing is his poise, his lack of being rattled. Kevin McGiven, his coach..the quarterback coach and coordinator....told me this week that nothing really fazes him, there's an even keel demeanor that I think inspires confidence for his teammates. The offensive line has all come together, the receivers, the O-line, the coaches...everybody on this team is rallying behind a guy they really believe in, they really like, they really trust." It's a hard week because we all just want to see improvement and that's going to be hard to see when taking this injury-plagued team to Seattle against a top-5 team. I've watched the UW/duck game and I've watched all the Beaver games of course. I think it's pretty clear that our offense will likely struggle. I think our defense will do well but may spend way too much time on the field. As I said before, I just want to see us beat the point spread...hopefully by at least 10 points. Beyond that, just play hard, never give up, and let's hope we come of out it not much more beat up. Go Beavs! Mike '84 Ha ha ha! Coach Burton NAILED it when he said "well I do" (13:13- Awesome! and Truth!) in reference to how bad Marcus McMaryion has been as a QB with this team. SPOT ON! No blinders, realized the numbers, knows what he is looking at from the standpoint of QB play, he is dead on! I know many will disagree but oh well..... I agree with Coach Burton (and have for a long time). McMaryion has struggled as a QB so far from pre to post snap reads, to where he delivers the football, to pocket presence, etc. He was 11-21 with barely over 150 yds in the CW with one INT against one of the worst pass defenses in the country last season, whoopie! I think people are holding on to the nostalgia of that game (then they remember who was the QB) rather than remembering that the true studs were (Nall, Collins and Bolden)! Go Coach B! Tellin' it like it is! He is Spot effin' on! Go Beavs! |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Oct 21, 2016 21:27:58 GMT -8
No, actually I "want" to be proven worng. What truly bothers me Jay, is all the people that come on and talk how the coaching staff is "against Marcus" and how "he hasn't had a fair shot" and it's always someone else's fault!!! No! Bulls%#t! He just isn't good enough! Period!
Go Beavs!
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Post by gobeavs92 on Oct 21, 2016 21:50:43 GMT -8
Nice Post Mike! As far as McM goes... I was talking to a staffer the other day (non-coach, but travels with the team) and he agreed with me that Marcus is actually the best passer on the team, throws the best ball, has the best arm... Now... Decision making, running, accuracy in actual game situations, but especially in the moment decision making... all those things are in question and are what has been holding him back. Of course to be honest he hasn't gotten much of a chance to prove himself or test himself in actual games... To help with the yips/hesitancy and decision making I hope and will be looking for lots of predetermined throws... bubble screens to the WR, slants, rb screens, rollout TE drags (only two options throw to the dragger or run to the sideline), etc. High percentage and predetermined, especially early to help him get a rhythm. Hopefully we get an improved (and improving) version of McM from last years civil war and not what we saw of him, well, from anytime else in 2015 As long as we beat the spread and keep Washington from scoring more than 70... I think I will be appeased... keep it competitive through three quarters and I will be happy. Keep it competitive for the whole game (read as, ahead or down by less than 1 score, maybe 10pts) and I will be ecstatic. WIN the game and I will be OVER THE MOON. That was a good post OBF. The problem is that hardly any throws are purely "pre-determined" in the sense that they can be taken away by a good defensive read/play. Even screens can be blown up by defenders who read keys and run pass options (sounds like you're talking about "boots" and "waggles" can be disrupted by re-routes and good scouting on defense (down/distance, tendency, etc). I think your best point goes to being the "best passer on the team" in terms of playing the QB position and what that really means. If you are not very good; as a leader in the huddle, having pocket awareness (feeling pressure and knowing when to evade or get rid of the ball), reading what the coverage is trying to do (pre and post snap) and you struggle with accuracy, then I don't care how good of a "passer" you are, you are going to struggle and McMaryion has throughout Spring into Fall and in games. Unfortunately there's a group that think that just because; this, that ot otherwise, MM hasn't had a fair shake, or has been mistreated.. give me a break! The kid just can't cut the mustard! D1 QBing isn't for everyone. Go Beavs! |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 21, 2016 23:09:14 GMT -8
Ha ha ha! Coach Burton NAILED it when he said "well I do" (13:13- Awesome! and Truth!) in reference to how bad Marcus McMaryion has been as a QB with this team. SPOT ON! No blinders, realized the numbers, knows what he is looking at from the standpoint of QB play, he is dead on! I know many will disagree but oh well..... I agree with Coach Burton (and have for a long time). McMaryion has struggled as a QB so far from pre to post snap reads, to where he delivers the football, to pocket presence, etc. He was 11-21 with barely over 150 yds in the CW with one INT against one of the worst pass defenses in the country last season, whoopie! I think people are holding on to the nostalgia of that game (then they remember who was the QB) rather than remembering that the true studs were (Nall, Collins and Bolden)! Go Coach B! Tellin' it like it is! He is Spot effin' on! Go Beavs! I want to re-iterate: 11/21 for 154 yards and 0TD/1INT is light years ahead of the passing stats we've gotten so far this year. You really cannot berate those numbers for McMaryion after looking at the stats Garretson and Blount have posted. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 21, 2016 23:27:08 GMT -8
Ha ha ha! Coach Burton NAILED it when he said "well I do" (13:13- Awesome! and Truth!) in reference to how bad Marcus McMaryion has been as a QB with this team. SPOT ON! No blinders, realized the numbers, knows what he is looking at from the standpoint of QB play, he is dead on! I know many will disagree but oh well..... I agree with Coach Burton (and have for a long time). McMaryion has struggled as a QB so far from pre to post snap reads, to where he delivers the football, to pocket presence, etc. He was 11-21 with barely over 150 yds in the CW with one INT against one of the worst pass defenses in the country last season, whoopie! I think people are holding on to the nostalgia of that game (then they remember who was the QB) rather than remembering that the true studs were (Nall, Collins and Bolden)! Go Coach B! Tellin' it like it is! He is Spot effin' on! Go Beavs! I want to re-iterate: 11/21 for 154 yards and 0TD/1INT is light years ahead of the passing stats we've gotten so far this year. You really cannot berate those numbers for McMaryion after looking at the stats Garretson and Blount have posted. Oh sure "92" can cuz Nigel was such a successful coach in his own right!! I mean he was so well thought of after being fired he's in the media... if you call what he does the media. MM is head and shoulders above the other two in QB "skills". Kind of hard to show a lot of leadership, pre-reads, etc running with the #3's vs the #1's in practice and getting no live reps. Seemed he came in cold in a tight game and outperformed the other two. Funny a guy who says we should blindly support a coaching staff without a negative word even though they have made numerous blunders in 1.5 years on the job... now attacks the new starting QB!! Weird. Seems a bit backward. Shouldn't you be propping him up? He's the guy that will make GA and staff look good or bad the rest of the year. Or, is that the next built in excuse for process/rebuild... "... don't have all of our guys yet... cupboard was bare... players were weak, slow with poor work habits... were handed too tough or OOC schedule... had to play a terrible 3rd string QB the last half of the season." Come on which is it??? If your such a big supporter then this terrible QB should be coached up, just like all these other slow weaklings are... right??? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 21, 2016 23:38:38 GMT -8
Some people seem awful sure of themselves when talking about how "bad" MM is. I saw him put into bad situations multiple times last year, the only decent position he was put in was the Civil. War game when he got to stárt after getting a few days of practice with the ones. Every other time he was put in the Beavs were essentially falling off a cliff at the time.
I'm not saying he'll be great, but at least he'll start the game down no more than 7 points (assuming our return team doesn't have a turnover) and not be in the position to have to try to dig out of a big hole first thing. He's had all of a week as the number 1 in practice, that's a lot of reps he's missed out on compared to two other QBs on the team the last several weeks. Few inexperienced young QBs do well when put into bad positions. I'm waiting to see how this game pans out. My suspicion is he might miss a few zone reads, not run quite as well as the others, but maybe, just maybe, he'll complete more 10 yard plus passes than we've been seeing completed this year and that just might help open up some other aspects of the offense a couple of times tomorrow (I certainly wish Nall was at 100%, that'd make a difference! until he is he should sit and let that foot recuperate).
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 21, 2016 23:41:58 GMT -8
No, actually I "want" to be proven worng. What truly bothers me Jay, is all the people that come on and talk how the coaching staff is "against Marcus" and how "he hasn't had a fair shot" and it's always someone else's fault!!! No! Bulls%#t! He just isn't good enough! Period! Go Beavs! Hey genius. Burton hasn't seen McMaryion since FALL CAMP. You have no idea whatsoever what made Blount 2nd string and McMaryion 3rd string. He just has to get rid of the ball and not hold on to it too long (waiting for his receivers to get open). He's got the best arm of all the current OSU QBs. 1st and 2nd team could be as simple as who recruited them... according to the conspiracy theorists. |
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Post by Mike84 on Oct 22, 2016 7:16:29 GMT -8
Funny a guy who says we should blindly support a coaching staff without a negative word even though they have made numerous blunders in 1.5 years on the job... now attacks the new starting QB!! Weird. Seems a bit backward. Just verifying that you're not talking to/about me. I was the one with the thread a few days back about supporting the coach (although I did not say we should never say a negative word and only suggested that it would be unhelpful to be predicting failure of the coach already). I was also the one that started this thread, but my post included two comments on MM -- one negative from Burton and one positive from Parker. So, I'll assume you are talking to/about gobeavs92 and some past confrontation you've had about negativity. Go Beavs! Mike '84 |
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