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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 20, 2016 14:16:24 GMT -8
A fairly well connected duck I chat with seems to think their past success and subsequent drop off is most accurately attributed to the influx of talent brought in through nefarious means than the coaches. He thinks the fall off the cliff is due to the new coach dealing with ncaa sanctions, probation, and the ncaa microscope which has drastically impaired their ability to stock the roster with the talent chip was able to compile 'with the help of boosters' and add the extra incentive to produce once on the team.
I noticed Saban didn't waste much time hiring the "bag full of money", or was it a "coffee cup of cash", recruiting magnet Tosh Lupoi to his staff in spite ncaa investigation at the UW regarding the bribe to a recruit. Anyone think Lupoi was hired because he was the best available position coach out there, or because of his reputation to do what ever it takes to land a recruit? Between chip, lupoi, and plenty other examples, can teams compete at a high level playing by the rules?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 22, 2016 23:07:31 GMT -8
A fairly well connected duck I chat with seems to think their past success and subsequent drop off is most accurately attributed to the influx of talent brought in through nefarious means than the coaches. He thinks the fall off the cliff is due to the new coach dealing with ncaa sanctions, probation, and the ncaa microscope which has drastically impaired their ability to stock the roster with the talent chip was able to compile 'with the help of boosters' and add the extra incentive to produce once on the team. I noticed Saban didn't waste much time hiring the "bag full of money", or was it a "coffee cup of cash", recruiting magnet Tosh Lupoi to his staff in spite ncaa investigation at the UW regarding the bribe to a recruit. Anyone think Lupoi was hired because he was the best available position coach out there, or because of his reputation to do what ever it takes to land a recruit? Between chip, lupoi, and plenty other examples, can teams compete at a high level playing by the rules? Yes. I think the Big Ten competes well with the SEC without cheating (at least on the wholesale level of the SEC). Look at Urban Meyer. Quit at Florida to get out of the SEC muck. Five losses in five years at Ohio State. My favorite quote about the SEC is, "Of course, the Pac-12 is not as good as the SEC, the Pac-12 does not pay their players." |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 23, 2016 10:41:48 GMT -8
I'm thinking that's the exact reason the dux are coming down to earth, even despite the facilities glam.
For the better part of a decade the dux and the Trojans dominated the Pac 10/12. Both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and were slapped with sanctions and look at what's happened to their programs. The Trojans will get back to the top three teams in the league year in year out simply because they'll always the the cream of the crop of California recruits (UCLA should do the same, the fact they have been down really shows how poor their coaching has been for quite a while now).
All coaching and rule following equal, WSU, OSU, uo and probably Utah all have recruiting disadvantages over the rest of the league and probably should be fighting to get out of the bottom half of the league the bulk of the time.
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Post by wetrodentia on Oct 23, 2016 13:15:36 GMT -8
I'm thinking that's the exact reason the dux are coming down to earth, even despite the facilities glam. For the better part of a decade the dux and the Trojans dominated the Pac 10/12. Both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and were slapped with sanctions and look at what's happened to their programs. The Trojans will get back to the top three teams in the league year in year out simply because they'll always the the cream of the crop of California recruits (UCLA should do the same, the fact they have been down really shows how poor their coaching has been for quite a while now). All coaching and rule following equal, WSU, OSU, uo and probably Utah all have recruiting disadvantages over the rest of the league and probably should be fighting to get out of the bottom half of the league the bulk of the time. What exactly are uofOwned's recruiting disadvantages? Their facilities and access to Nike seem to far outweigh any disadvantages based on location, especially when compared to Pullman and Corvallis. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 23, 2016 13:30:46 GMT -8
I'm thinking that's the exact reason the dux are coming down to earth, even despite the facilities glam. For the better part of a decade the dux and the Trojans dominated the Pac 10/12. Both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and were slapped with sanctions and look at what's happened to their programs. The Trojans will get back to the top three teams in the league year in year out simply because they'll always the the cream of the crop of California recruits (UCLA should do the same, the fact they have been down really shows how poor their coaching has been for quite a while now). All coaching and rule following equal, WSU, OSU, uo and probably Utah all have recruiting disadvantages over the rest of the league and probably should be fighting to get out of the bottom half of the league the bulk of the time. It is a strange year in the Pac 12. The top teams are Utah, Colorado, WSU, and UW, which hasn't really been a powerhouse in 20some years. I'm guessing the first three on that list, with OSU, are traditionally at the bottom third of recruiting in the Pac 12 and quality of facilities. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 23, 2016 14:06:37 GMT -8
I'm thinking that's the exact reason the dux are coming down to earth, even despite the facilities glam. For the better part of a decade the dux and the Trojans dominated the Pac 10/12. Both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and were slapped with sanctions and look at what's happened to their programs. The Trojans will get back to the top three teams in the league year in year out simply because they'll always the the cream of the crop of California recruits (UCLA should do the same, the fact they have been down really shows how poor their coaching has been for quite a while now). All coaching and rule following equal, WSU, OSU, uo and probably Utah all have recruiting disadvantages over the rest of the league and probably should be fighting to get out of the bottom half of the league the bulk of the time. What exactly are uofOwned's recruiting disadvantages? Their facilities and access to Nike seem to far outweigh any disadvantages based on location, especially when compared to Pullman and Corvallis. uo's biggest recruiting tool (take that any way you want) these days is uncle phil. Until they had a good year and he came on board, they had the exact same problems with recruiting against the bigger schools that the Beavs have. He had a big effect on their recruiting success, but it was also combined with now outlawed practices such as the NYC billboard and the comic books and such, the chipster took that to another level with some of his cheating efforts. WSU and OSU are by far the toughest to recruit to as far as population/nightlife/airline access and overall history of success in football go, uo has had a recent history of success, which in my opinion can become a vague memory to future recruits in 4-6 years if they start missing out on bowl games regularly. If phil doubles down he might be able to buy them enough glitz to enhance their recruiting, but for now everyone is catching up on facitlites, even us. It is yet to be seen if he'll buy, or be able to buy, a big name coach if he decides Helfrich needs to go to the glue factory All of the California schools, the Arizona schools, UW, Colorado, and Utah are in metropolitan areas that begin at about a million and up, the other three are very very small in comparison. I included Utah in my original post primarily because of it's historical association with a minor conference (and the fact that I didn't actually check the metropolitan population size initially). |
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