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Post by ftd on Aug 25, 2024 14:03:34 GMT -8
In extra innings Florida vs Chinese Taipei
Good baseball being played by both teams
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Post by beavaristotle on Aug 25, 2024 14:21:30 GMT -8
In extra innings Florida vs Chinese Taipei Good baseball being played by both teams kids doing great, fun game too watch. Both teams deserve a better umpire behind the plate |
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Post by ftd on Aug 25, 2024 14:32:18 GMT -8
In extra innings Florida vs Chinese Taipei Good baseball being played by both teams kids doing great, fun game too watch. Both teams deserve a better umpire behind the plate Paging Greg Street... |
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Post by beavaristotle on Aug 25, 2024 14:39:15 GMT -8
Florida walked it off on a throwing error by Taiwan in the 8th
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Post by ftd on Aug 25, 2024 14:44:16 GMT -8
Florida walked it off on a throwing error by Taiwan in the 8th setup by a really nice bunt by FL |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 25, 2024 15:18:31 GMT -8
Florida walked it off on a throwing error by Taiwan in the 8th setup by a really nice bunt by FL Allowing the winning run to score from second base. It's gonna take a while for the Chinese Taipei kids to get over that blunder. |
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Post by ftd on Aug 25, 2024 15:23:16 GMT -8
setup by a really nice bunt by FL Allowing the winning run to score from second base. It's gonna take a while for the Chinese Taipei kids to get over that blunder. FL probably should have sent the runner home in the 7th. Worse case is he's out and we go to 8. |
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 26, 2024 10:12:32 GMT -8
Florida walked it off on a throwing error by Taiwan in the 8th While the box score is going to show a throwing error, I'd say the real issue was a missed assignment by the 2B. Should have been covering first, and was not there. We *could* blame the pitcher for not recognizing no one was covering, but I'm not sure where the 2B thought he should be. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 26, 2024 11:34:29 GMT -8
Florida walked it off on a throwing error by Taiwan in the 8th While the box score is going to show a throwing error, I'd say the real issue was a missed assignment by the 2B. Should have been covering first, and was not there. We *could* blame the pitcher for not recognizing no one was covering, but I'm not sure where the 2B thought he should be. You don't know it was the 2b fault. In LL the best athlete is often on the mound and the slowest athlete is often at first base, combine that with how incredibly fast the runners get to first base (not giving the 2b time to get to first and cover) and it is OFTEN the 1b job to stay home on the bunt and the pitcher to cover first base side. That is the way I coached it at that level. Having a runner at second: 3rd base crashes, SS covers 3rd, 2b covers second, 1b covers first and the pitcher crashes, catcher gets to whatever the catcher can get to...and they all need to communicate! (the 2b also has to stay home to cover the slash!) |
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Post by thomasg86 on Aug 26, 2024 14:53:48 GMT -8
Great game. Kid's baseball shouldn't be this entertaining but I really enjoy watching this every year. Last year was the walk off home run in the bottom of the 6th. Good stuff. Also liked the sportsmanship shown by the Florida kids consoling the Taiwanese players right after the game.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 27, 2024 14:56:56 GMT -8
While the box score is going to show a throwing error, I'd say the real issue was a missed assignment by the 2B. Should have been covering first, and was not there. We *could* blame the pitcher for not recognizing no one was covering, but I'm not sure where the 2B thought he should be. You don't know it was the 2b fault. In LL the best athlete is often on the mound and the slowest athlete is often at first base, combine that with how incredibly fast the runners get to first base (not giving the 2b time to get to first and cover) and it is OFTEN the 1b job to stay home on the bunt and the pitcher to cover first base side. That is the way I coached it at that level. Having a runner at second: 3rd base crashes, SS covers 3rd, 2b covers second, 1b covers first and the pitcher crashes, catcher gets to whatever the catcher can get to...and they all need to communicate! (the 2b also has to stay home to cover the slash!) I'm going by the fact that the pitcher threw to the base, seemingly expecting someone to be there. Unless we ask the coach (or review the tape more closely), we won't know what play was on, but I'm going with a standard 3B stays home and 2B covers first. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 27, 2024 15:42:20 GMT -8
You don't know it was the 2b fault. In LL the best athlete is often on the mound and the slowest athlete is often at first base, combine that with how incredibly fast the runners get to first base (not giving the 2b time to get to first and cover) and it is OFTEN the 1b job to stay home on the bunt and the pitcher to cover first base side. That is the way I coached it at that level. Having a runner at second: 3rd base crashes, SS covers 3rd, 2b covers second, 1b covers first and the pitcher crashes, catcher gets to whatever the catcher can get to...and they all need to communicate! (the 2b also has to stay home to cover the slash!) I'm going by the fact that the pitcher threw to the base, seemingly expecting someone to be there. Unless we ask the coach (or review the tape more closely), we won't know what play was on, but I'm going with a standard 3B stays home and 2B covers first. I think that the catcher or first baseman may have told the pitcher to throw to first. Usually the pitcher has to be told where to throw, because he does not know, where the play is. And you trust your catcher and first baseman to know what is going on. I tend to agree, though, that the second baseman should have broke for first. No point in covering second. The right fielder should have been coming in, as well. |
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 27, 2024 22:33:41 GMT -8
While the box score is going to show a throwing error, I'd say the real issue was a missed assignment by the 2B. Should have been covering first, and was not there. We *could* blame the pitcher for not recognizing no one was covering, but I'm not sure where the 2B thought he should be. You don't know it was the 2b fault. In LL the best athlete is often on the mound and the slowest athlete is often at first base, combine that with how incredibly fast the runners get to first base (not giving the 2b time to get to first and cover) and it is OFTEN the 1b job to stay home on the bunt and the pitcher to cover first base side. That is the way I coached it at that level. Having a runner at second: 3rd base crashes, SS covers 3rd, 2b covers second, 1b covers first and the pitcher crashes, catcher gets to whatever the catcher can get to...and they all need to communicate! (the 2b also has to stay home to cover the slash!) Thinking about this more - why would you have the 2B cover second base on this play? Even if you're having the SS cover third, what's the 2B responsibility at second? To be there for a back pick? Makes way more sense to have 2B cover first on your wheel play defense. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 28, 2024 5:06:51 GMT -8
You don't know it was the 2b fault. In LL the best athlete is often on the mound and the slowest athlete is often at first base, combine that with how incredibly fast the runners get to first base (not giving the 2b time to get to first and cover) and it is OFTEN the 1b job to stay home on the bunt and the pitcher to cover first base side. That is the way I coached it at that level. Having a runner at second: 3rd base crashes, SS covers 3rd, 2b covers second, 1b covers first and the pitcher crashes, catcher gets to whatever the catcher can get to...and they all need to communicate! (the 2b also has to stay home to cover the slash!) Thinking about this more - why would you have the 2B cover second base on this play? Even if you're having the SS cover third, what's the 2B responsibility at second? To be there for a back pick? Makes way more sense to have 2B cover first on your wheel play defense. To answer the why 2b cover second on a bunt play with a runner on 2nd? Because in LL weird stuff happens, all the time, and once the weird stuff happens you will need a player covering second base. For instance, the bunt is in the air, the pitcher dives and makes the catch and then throws to second for the double play, or the pitcher doesn't catch it but the runner at second has frozen half way thinking it is going to be caught, hung up and confused on which way to go....etc etc etc Anyway, it is impossible to know what defense was called. Both are common LL defenses. I think the 'blame' should actually fall on the coach here. Obviously not every infielder knew what he wanted them to do in that situation, he should have talked to them before they went out on how he wanted the bunt covered or he should have called timeout to do a defensive review once he saw who the batter was and that this batter was likely only in to get a bunt down (at least that is what I read, a little used reserve was at bat). So Ecoach in the book if you must. |
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 28, 2024 7:49:58 GMT -8
Thinking about this more - why would you have the 2B cover second base on this play? Even if you're having the SS cover third, what's the 2B responsibility at second? To be there for a back pick? Makes way more sense to have 2B cover first on your wheel play defense. To answer the why 2b cover second on a bunt play with a runner on 2nd? Because in LL weird stuff happens, all the time, and once the weird stuff happens you will need a player covering second base. For instance, the bunt is in the air, the pitcher dives and makes the catch and then throws to second for the double play, or the pitcher doesn't catch it but the runner at second has frozen half way thinking it is going to be caught, hung up and confused on which way to go....etc etc etc Anyway, it is impossible to know what defense was called. Both are common LL defenses. I think the 'blame' should actually fall on the coach here. Obviously not every infielder knew what he wanted them to do in that situation, he should have talked to them before they went out on how he wanted the bunt covered or he should have called timeout to do a defensive review once he saw who the batter was and that this batter was likely only in to get a bunt down (at least that is what I read, a little used reserve was at bat). So Ecoach in the book if you must. Little league changed the rules recently for tournament play. They bat the roster now, so the batter was there because it was his turn in the line-up, and I'd question any bunt defense play that prioritized a guy covering a base just in case "weird stuff" happened vs covering a base where there's almost certainly going to be a play. |
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