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Post by grayman on Aug 24, 2024 16:14:49 GMT -8
Well he averaged just under 220 yards a game at OSU and had 193 today. And the Beavers averaged 167 yards a game rushing. FSU had under 100 yards rushing today and he was sacked a few times (not sure on the total). So far it doesn't seem as if he is in a better situation. DJU was sacked once for a loss of four yards. Got it. I thought it was at least a couple but I'm probably just remembering some plays he faced pressure
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Post by zeroposter on Aug 24, 2024 16:17:03 GMT -8
My hind sight. When Jam Griffin left before last season, the Beavers lost the outside threat out of the backfield on 3rd down. Would Smith and DJU utilized the outlet pass with Griffin or the wheel route? I don’t know. I do know that part of the offense was sorely missing. Fenwick actually showed good hands later in the season, but that was primarily down the field. Fenwick didn’t have the explosive speed, but he may have been a decent outlet guy when DJU’s other options weren’t open. It may have happened, but I didn’t see it often.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 25, 2024 10:53:34 GMT -8
Have to love the DJU 20/20 hindsight "haters" here. Didn't hear too much negative when a guy with a few months in a new system, with a HC accused of having one foot out the door, lead a fairly mediocre team to an 8-4 record. Sounds a lot like the WBB board... from the greatest kids on earth to complete losers because they made personal choices to hopefully better themselves in supposedly better situations. I'm guessing GaTech's swarming D had zero to do with FSU's offensive struggles. Plus I'm sure DJU was at fault for the FSU D being on the field the last 6:33. As for a specific performance... FSU is basically a new team. And, OSU will take DJU's # today vs a very good every game this season. In no universe was 2023 team mediocre. That is horses%#t. It was playoff caliber and it should of been in contention for the Rose bowl if not for bad QB play. We had the best OL in the Pac-12 and one of the best OLs in the nation. There was a first round NFL draft pick on it! it was senior heavy and returned all five starters from the previous season? It returned the top two starting running backs behind that OL! We had the 2nd or 3rd best running game in the conference depending on how you want to look at it and our defense really did not fall off that bad. we fell 2.9 points per game. 22.9 points per game is effectively an top 25th percentile defense when you look at the distribution. 8-4 was an underachievement with this team. period. Georgia tech is a team predicted to win 4 to 5 games and finish last in the ACC. this is a bad loss. A TERRIBLE loss. FSU was 10 point favorites on neutral site game. Swarming D? HA! Georgia Tech was the 97th ranked scoring defense last year!!! they are terrible! did they get that much better in a year? Maybe. I guess we will see. I doubt it. Sure, maybe GT is a surprise team this year and outplays the predictions. it happens every year. I tend to go with the much more obvious. the thing that is evident to anybody with eyeballs. DJU just ain't any good.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -8
Have to love the DJU 20/20 hindsight "haters" here. Didn't hear too much negative when a guy with a few months in a new system, with a HC accused of having one foot out the door, lead a fairly mediocre team to an 8-4 record. Sounds a lot like the WBB board... from the greatest kids on earth to complete losers because they made personal choices to hopefully better themselves in supposedly better situations. I'm guessing GaTech's swarming D had zero to do with FSU's offensive struggles. Plus I'm sure DJU was at fault for the FSU D being on the field the last 6:33. As for a specific performance... FSU is basically a new team. And, OSU will take DJU's # today vs a very good every game this season. In no universe was 2023 team mediocre. That is horses%#t. It was playoff caliber and it should of been in contention for the Rose bowl if not for bad QB play. We had the best OL in the Pac-12 and one of the best OLs in the nation. There was a first round NFL draft pick on it! it was senior heavy and returned all five starters from the previous season? It returned the top two starting running backs behind that OL! We had the 2nd or 3rd best running game in the conference depending on how you want to look at it and our defense really did not fall off that bad. we fell 2.9 points per game. 22.9 points per game is effectively an top 25th percentile defense when you look at the distribution. 8-4 was an underachievement with this team. period. Georgia tech is a team predicted to win 4 to 5 games and finish last in the ACC. this is a bad loss. A TERRIBLE loss. FSU was 10 point favorites on neutral site game. Swarming D? HA! Georgia Tech was the 97th ranked scoring defense last year!!! they are terrible! did they get that much better in a year? Maybe. I guess we will see. I doubt it. Sure, maybe GT is a surprise team this year and outplays the predictions. it happens every year. I tend to go with the much more obvious. the thing that is evident to anybody with eyeballs. DJU just ain't any good. 🤣🤣 Playoff caliber OMFG😆 DJU ain't with your eyeballs, but seems to catch the eyeballs of people who know get more than you! 🤔 Hmmmm... so last years rankings... scoring, etc determine this season's team results and game by game play? Good to know, so you've got pretty low expectations for OSU? You the low achieving playoff caliber team with a new staff, system, and huge roster turnover? 👍 I don't have to defend DJU. New team, a few months in new system, revamped roster. And, they might still win the ACC and get auto berth. And if they go 10-2 will still be near the top 12 with key wins. But, what knowledgeable and mature folks realize, DJU isn't the team and doesn't play defense. The unit that allowed two 6-7 min drives with key 3rd down conversions or field position gains to allow the winning FG. And, most "adults" really don't spend time denigrating college kids. Who by the way never created the "hype" they supposedly never lived up to! But, you do you and keep practicing the infinite football wisdom you think you possess! 😆
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 25, 2024 12:28:30 GMT -8
Have to love the DJU 20/20 hindsight "haters" here. Didn't hear too much negative when a guy with a few months in a new system, with a HC accused of having one foot out the door, lead a fairly mediocre team to an 8-4 record. Sounds a lot like the WBB board... from the greatest kids on earth to complete losers because they made personal choices to hopefully better themselves in supposedly better situations. I'm guessing GaTech's swarming D had zero to do with FSU's offensive struggles. Plus I'm sure DJU was at fault for the FSU D being on the field the last 6:33. As for a specific performance... FSU is basically a new team. And, OSU will take DJU's # today vs a very good every game this season. In no universe was 2023 team mediocre. That is horses%#t. It was playoff caliber and it should of been in contention for the Rose bowl if not for bad QB play. We had the best OL in the Pac-12 and one of the best OLs in the nation. There was a first round NFL draft pick on it! it was senior heavy and returned all five starters from the previous season? It returned the top two starting running backs behind that OL! We had the 2nd or 3rd best running game in the conference depending on how you want to look at it and our defense really did not fall off that bad. we fell 2.9 points per game. 22.9 points per game is effectively an top 25th percentile defense when you look at the distribution. 8-4 was an underachievement with this team. period. Georgia tech is a team predicted to win 4 to 5 games and finish last in the ACC. this is a bad loss. A TERRIBLE loss. FSU was 10 point favorites on neutral site game. Swarming D? HA! Georgia Tech was the 97th ranked scoring defense last year!!! they are terrible! did they get that much better in a year? Maybe. I guess we will see. I doubt it. Sure, maybe GT is a surprise team this year and outplays the predictions. it happens every year. I tend to go with the much more obvious. the thing that is evident to anybody with eyeballs. DJU just ain't any good. I love the enthusiasm. I disagree. In the 12 games that DJU played, Oregon State was improved in pretty much every offensive category: scoring, QBR, passing efficiency, run efficiency. Everything. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. QB play was great. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it never is. QB play was not the problem. Nothing on the offense was bad. And the rush defense was great again. 36 sacks. Pass defense was a comparative trainwreck. 12th-best pass defense in the country in 2022. Best in the Pac-12. 59th in the country 2023. 7th in the Pac-12. If there was no pressure, the pass defense fell apart. Despite there being fewer plays between 2022 and 2023, scoring defense was worse in the 2023 than 2022. There was a long discussion about this already. But the QB did not cause the defense and specifically the pass defense play worse year over.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2024 16:29:21 GMT -8
In no universe was 2023 team mediocre. That is horses%#t. It was playoff caliber and it should of been in contention for the Rose bowl if not for bad QB play. We had the best OL in the Pac-12 and one of the best OLs in the nation. There was a first round NFL draft pick on it! it was senior heavy and returned all five starters from the previous season? It returned the top two starting running backs behind that OL! We had the 2nd or 3rd best running game in the conference depending on how you want to look at it and our defense really did not fall off that bad. we fell 2.9 points per game. 22.9 points per game is effectively an top 25th percentile defense when you look at the distribution. 8-4 was an underachievement with this team. period. Georgia tech is a team predicted to win 4 to 5 games and finish last in the ACC. this is a bad loss. A TERRIBLE loss. FSU was 10 point favorites on neutral site game. Swarming D? HA! Georgia Tech was the 97th ranked scoring defense last year!!! they are terrible! did they get that much better in a year? Maybe. I guess we will see. I doubt it. Sure, maybe GT is a surprise team this year and outplays the predictions. it happens every year. I tend to go with the much more obvious. the thing that is evident to anybody with eyeballs. DJU just ain't any good. I love the enthusiasm. I disagree. In the 12 games that DJU played, Oregon State was improved in pretty much every offensive category: scoring, QBR, passing efficiency, run efficiency. Everything. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. QB play was great. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it never is. QB play was not the problem. Nothing on the offense was bad. And the rush defense was great again. 36 sacks. Pass defense was a comparative trainwreck. 12th-best pass defense in the country in 2022. Best in the Pac-12. 59th in the country 2023. 7th in the Pac-12. If there was no pressure, the pass defense fell apart. Despite there being fewer plays between 2022 and 2023, scoring defense was worse in the 2023 than 2022. There was a long discussion about this already. But the QB did not cause the defense and specifically the pass defense play worse year over. Please please don't confuse the fantasy with facts! Playoff team! Cracks me up.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 26, 2024 8:24:22 GMT -8
Genuinely surprised that there is this much support for DJU, but I don't know that I want to put the failure of the team to make it to the playoffs entirely on his shoulders.
The pass defense was not good, the Beavs really struggled to get off the field on 3rd down. For having such fast receivers and such a dominant run game, there was surprisingly little RAC. I don't know if that's the design of the offense, performance of the QB, undersized receivers who struggled to get separation off the jam and didn't have a big catch radius, but the reality is that it's a combination of all of the above.
The rub lies in what percentage of fault you ascribe to each of the categories.
I think it's hard to get an honest read on DJU - kind of like the way "styles make fights" in boxing, similarly DJU was not a perfect fit for the type of offense and personnel that OSU had. His deep ball accuracy was inarguably a weakness, but at the same time he brings another aspect as a runner. He was able to extend plays and break tackles. An accurate downfield passer would have changed the complexion of the whole offense, but so too would a passer with no appreciable running skillset.
I'm not sure that I put 95% fault on DJU, but I do think it's fair to say that he was a very significant factor in not winning more games.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 26, 2024 8:50:59 GMT -8
Again with the playoff stuff!
'23 team as belonging anywhere close to the final 4 is hilarious.
Blame the coach... blame the QB cuz of course they kept OSU from being in the CFP.
The unprovable fabrications abound for those that stew in the past🤣
Playoff team... FFS... can't believe there are fans that actually ascribe to that belief!🤪
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 26, 2024 9:01:52 GMT -8
In no universe was 2023 team mediocre. That is horses%#t. It was playoff caliber and it should of been in contention for the Rose bowl if not for bad QB play. We had the best OL in the Pac-12 and one of the best OLs in the nation. There was a first round NFL draft pick on it! it was senior heavy and returned all five starters from the previous season? It returned the top two starting running backs behind that OL! We had the 2nd or 3rd best running game in the conference depending on how you want to look at it and our defense really did not fall off that bad. we fell 2.9 points per game. 22.9 points per game is effectively an top 25th percentile defense when you look at the distribution. 8-4 was an underachievement with this team. period. Georgia tech is a team predicted to win 4 to 5 games and finish last in the ACC. this is a bad loss. A TERRIBLE loss. FSU was 10 point favorites on neutral site game. Swarming D? HA! Georgia Tech was the 97th ranked scoring defense last year!!! they are terrible! did they get that much better in a year? Maybe. I guess we will see. I doubt it. Sure, maybe GT is a surprise team this year and outplays the predictions. it happens every year. I tend to go with the much more obvious. the thing that is evident to anybody with eyeballs. DJU just ain't any good. I love the enthusiasm. I disagree. In the 12 games that DJU played, Oregon State was improved in pretty much every offensive category: scoring, QBR, passing efficiency, run efficiency. Everything. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."--Voltaire. QB play was great. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it never is. QB play was not the problem. Nothing on the offense was bad. And the rush defense was great again. 36 sacks. Pass defense was a comparative trainwreck. 12th-best pass defense in the country in 2022. Best in the Pac-12. 59th in the country 2023. 7th in the Pac-12. If there was no pressure, the pass defense fell apart. Despite there being fewer plays between 2022 and 2023, scoring defense was worse in the 2023 than 2022. There was a long discussion about this already. But the QB did not cause the defense and specifically the pass defense play worse year over. To add to this, that 2022 defensive backfield was among the best in Oregon State history. Five of those guys are currently wearing NFL jerseys. Three of those five declared after the 2022 season, which is a big reason that you saw the drop-off in the defensive backfield. The other confounding factor in looking at 2022, when compared to 2023 is the increased schedule difficulty. Massey has the schedule ranked as 49th in 2022 and 25th in 2023. Trading out hapless Arizona State in 2022 for 10-3 Arizona in 2023 was a big part of that. I will add that the dumbest single coaching decision that I have seen in at least two years against Arizona did not help matters.
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Post by grayman on Aug 26, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -8
The 2023 team was not a playoff team. The Beavers lost to WSU on the road, UA on the road, national runner-up UW at home and then the debacle in the Civil War. The one loss that shouldn't have happened based on OSU's talent level is WSU. They UA game was probably 50-50 and it went against OSU. The Beavers nearly pulled off a big win vs. UW with a second half push. I think people tend to point to the 22-20 final as evidence that OSU was good enough for the CFP. But IMO, that OSU team does not win at UO no matter what was going on with JS. The Beavers were already hurting on the O-line due to injuries and I doubt they were better than the Ducks either way, especially on the road. As has been pointed out, the defense took a bit of a step back from 2022. And you have to win on the road.
No, the Beavers probably should have been 9-3. I guess you could make a case for 10-2 but that would have not been good enough for a CFP berth.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 26, 2024 9:55:38 GMT -8
DJU: An amazing physical talent who misses too many open receivers (both via inaccuracy and poor field vision), and has trouble hitting short-range passes. The guy is a really good college QB who *could* be great, but has a lot of flaws in his game that I'm sure every QB coach in the nation thinks he can correct. If things ever "clicked" for this guy, he'd be a Heisman trophy/high 1st round draft pick.
If he were still at OSU, he'd be head-and-shoulders our #1 option.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 26, 2024 10:00:46 GMT -8
DJU is a perfect example of one of the issues with NIL, and the portal. I don't think moving all over the country every season does his progression as a QB any favors.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 26, 2024 10:45:32 GMT -8
I do not really want to denigrate the 2023 team.
I mean, you can pin the Wazzu, Arizona, and Washington losses on one just awful special teams play in each game. You had the failure to stop the fake punt against Wazzu, the plain idiotic fake field goal against Arizona, and the bad snap that resulted in a safety against Washington. (And you can point to special teams not performing as well overall in 2023 as in 2022 as another major reason that 2023 did not turn out as well as 2022.)
If Oregon State had been 100% and had a coaching staff that was 100% locked in for the Civil War, who knows how the Civil War turns out.
Oregon State was not a CFP team in 2023, but they were not that far off. Just awful play-calling and coaching played a big part in the Beavs' first three losses. And those three losses led to the awful Civil War performance.
Personally, though, DJU being QB was one of the big reasons that Oregon State was as close as they were. DJU not being Penix was why the Beavs were not better.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 26, 2024 12:47:52 GMT -8
Again with the playoff stuff! '23 team as belonging anywhere close to the final 4 is hilarious. Blame the coach... blame the QB cuz of course they kept OSU from being in the CFP. The unprovable fabrications abound for those that stew in the past🤣 Playoff team... FFS... can't believe there are fans that actually ascribe to that belief!🤪 I was specifically weighing in on the topic you and atown were discussing, not bringing up the playoff anew. Didn't think that I needed to pedantically point that out with a bunch of quoting, but apparently I was wrong, my bad.
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Post by grayman on Aug 26, 2024 14:57:22 GMT -8
I do not really want to denigrate the 2023 team. I mean, you can pin the Wazzu, Arizona, and Washington losses on one just awful special teams play in each game. You had the failure to stop the fake punt against Wazzu, the plain idiotic fake field goal against Arizona, and the bad snap that resulted in a safety against Washington. (And you can point to special teams not performing as well overall in 2023 as in 2022 as another major reason that 2023 did not turn out as well as 2022.) If Oregon State had been 100% and had a coaching staff that was 100% locked in for the Civil War, who knows how the Civil War turns out. Oregon State was not a CFP team in 2023, but they were not that far off. Just awful play-calling and coaching played a big part in the Beavs' first three losses. And those three losses led to the awful Civil War performance. Personally, though, DJU being QB was one of the big reasons that Oregon State was as close as they were. DJU not being Penix was why the Beavs were not better.Yep.
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