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Post by oldbeav on Jun 17, 2024 18:32:46 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 18, 2024 16:38:19 GMT -8
The NCAA is about to approve a 35-scholarship limit for baseball, essentially tripling scholarship costs. Really going to separate the financial haves from the have-nots.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 18, 2024 17:46:30 GMT -8
The NCAA is about to approve a 35-scholarship limit for baseball, essentially tripling scholarship costs. Really going to separate the financial haves from the have-nots. The final aspects are yet to be settled and it'll be very interesting as OSU will in no way be able to afford 23.3 more full scholarships for just baseball. And, any other sport that can also add schollies. Of course schools do not have to fund them. And, if I'm reading the latest with the added schollies, comes a 35 man limit. No keeping 40 or more players on the roster. I think I read Ole Miss had 44. Going into Fall ball they will have to lose some bodies... 14 transferred out, 9 transferred in, 16 HS signers. So, more kids get money, less roster spots per school? Feeling there are going to be a ton of have nots!? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 18, 2024 18:03:27 GMT -8
Very few kids will turn down a full scholarship, at least for a year or two. Teams will simply stockpile talent, just like college football before scholarship limits went into effect.
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Post by seastape on Jul 18, 2024 19:42:35 GMT -8
The NCAA is about to approve a 35-scholarship limit for baseball, essentially tripling scholarship costs. Really going to separate the financial haves from the have-nots. Great. Maryland and Michigan State will be able to afford baseball, but not Oregon State. I think money is really improving college sports. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 18, 2024 20:55:21 GMT -8
The NCAA is about to approve a 35-scholarship limit for baseball, essentially tripling scholarship costs. Really going to separate the financial haves from the have-nots. How are they going to do that with Title IX? |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 18, 2024 21:15:59 GMT -8
Seems like a way to make college baseball kinda like college football. Baseball loses money before this. Only the rich schools will be able to fund these scholarships.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 18, 2024 22:12:06 GMT -8
The NCAA is about to approve a 35-scholarship limit for baseball, essentially tripling scholarship costs. Really going to separate the financial haves from the have-nots. How are they going to do that with Title IX? Schollie limits go away for every sport. Schools will decide how much they will fund each sport. In that regard in sure each increase will have to be matching. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 18, 2024 22:25:12 GMT -8
How are they going to do that with Title IX? Schollie limits go away for every sport. Schools will decide how much they will fund each sport. In that regard in sure each increase will have to be matching. How is that possible, though? It's Federal law. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 18, 2024 23:02:58 GMT -8
Schollie limits go away for every sport. Schools will decide how much they will fund each sport. In that regard in sure each increase will have to be matching. How is that possible, though? It's Federal law. Maybe I'm stating it poorly... but for every schollie increase for men there will be one fit women. Baseball doesn't have to fund 35, but if it added 5... some women's sport or sports would get 5 more. We'll have see what comes out. But, we pretty much know OSU will not have the supposed $20-30 mil for university controlled NIL $. And, will not have the funds to increase schollies by much. The settlement will basically speed up the creation of a super conference. It's not like OSU can afford that many more schollies. |
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Post by chinmusic on Jul 19, 2024 5:43:48 GMT -8
From a May 24 post:
The endless RPI analysis has made me dizzy - let's look at the really big picture ahead.
With recent changes and more coming from the NCAA, Oregon State and the University's Athletic Department face some difficult challenges ahead. Obviously, navigating those will go a long way in determining the future success of OSU Baseball. The NCAA has grown weary of continuing class action legal battles (House, Alston, O'Bannon, Hubbard, Carter. Fontenot, etc.), and the subsequent losses in court. In the pending antitrust case of House v NCAA, a large settlement (estimated $2.77 Billion has been negotiated to avoid the court where a loss for the NCAA would have resulted in treble damages totaling $20 billion and bankruptcy for the NCAA. In response to the continuing litigation over compensating athletes, the NCAA is transitioning from an organization that has restricted college athletes from earning outside income beyond their scholarships, to one that is allowing athletes to earn unlimited outside income from NIL. Some writers suggest the NCAA's new direction (a changing vibe) is a first step in leading to a Super Conference, revenue sharing with the athletes (22% of all Media revenues), and making them employees of the University. Bigger programs will stratify into a single Super Conference which will lead to Sub Divisions for everyone else which would affect all sports across the board.
Looking ahead, and not without some concern, I see Oregon State's challenges/opportunities in these four important areas.
1) OSU Baseball is currently without a conference or conference affiliation. They have chosen to play an independent schedule which should dictate playing stronger competition in Surprise, and continuing to play top teams in Texas or other competitive tournament venues in late February and early March. OSU is faced with RPI hunting in the pre-season games prior to conference play beginning when scheduling quality opponents will be easier - scheduling D1 teams during their conference season means playing during their bye weekends. Elite teams may not wish to play OSU in their off week when they can schedule weaker teams, and they may not have any interest in traveling across the country to a chilly, rainy March or April weekend in Corvallis. Because of geographic proximity I also think former PAC-12 competitors will be easier to schedule for a weekend series or mid-week game than other Power- 4 teams. As an independent program, scheduling could be very challenging for Scott Barnes and Mitch Canham. Maybe moving away from the RPI influence in tournament selection might ease the burden of scheduling for OSU.
2) OSU's baseball Collective is focused on disbursing modest $$$ to current roster players within the program, while there are allegations of programs like LSU, Florida and Tennessee using big NIL money to recruit preps and Portal transfers. The NIL playing field isn't level and OSU and others are relatively disadvantaged without NCAA rules and restrictions governing NIL limits and application. In the "wild, wild west" environment that currently exists, the big money programs enjoy a huge advantage in compensating athletes. We are seeing college coaches sharing their experience of NIL arrangements being made for quarterbacks at $1.5 Mil and more. Basketball coaches openly saying that a good PG will cost you at least $800k. For some it is a means to compensate athletes for use of their NIL as intended, for others it is a powerful recruiting tool. We witnessed that last year in college baseball with most teams filling a position or two of need while others constructed an entire roster with All Star level transfers. Even more concerning is the NCAA's ongoing discussion over allowing College Athletic Departments bring their Collectives in-house.
3) The Transfer Portal has created roster uncertainty for college teams in general. Over 1,600 athletes entered the Portal following last season. The NCAA is currently working on a proposal that takes the Portal from some uncertainty to total uncertainty or perhaps even chaos. The new NCAA Rule will allow players to transfer as often as they wish with immediate eligibility and no penalty. A letter of intent now becomes a one-year commitment. I can't even begin to process the overall effect of that one.
4) The NCAA is currently working with the ABCA to reduce the roster limit from the Covid era of 40, with 32 being the favored number of the ABCA. In addition, schools would now be allowed to offer full scholarships for every slot on the roster. If OSU decided to carry 32 players on their active roster, they could offer 32 "full rides' to their athletes (room, board, books, tuition and a monthly stipend). The "Equivalency Clause" allowing partial scholarships to minor sports is being legally challenged and Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s (SCOTUS) recent paper on that issue have signaled the NCAA to change it or have it upended in court by replacing it with full scholarships. In competing for premier baseball recruits, an offer of a full scholarship will be the new norm. A major concern is that schools with well-heeled Athletic Departments will fund 32 full scholarships while many others may not have the financial means to do so. Then the issue of "hoarding" comes into play. In the 1960's USC football had 140 players on scholarship, - 100 for them and 40 more they didn't want UCLA or Washington to get. That is a clear picture of “hoarding”.
A lot to think about here but one thing is certain, college baseball is rapidly changing. The college business model is undergoing an onslaught of new rules. The NCAA spin is these changes will offer clarity to member schools and conferences. According to the NCAA, “it will provide “a measure of predictability and visibility” for college programs. I am most concerned with the changes that will affect college baseball. I am struggling with this “clarity: thing – In the near term, the possibility of total upheaval, more confusion and a chaotic environment that may take years to sort out. The notion of a college athletes’ union engaged in collective bargaining with the University, going out on strike and cancelling a season, isn’t something I hope to see.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 19, 2024 9:22:33 GMT -8
How is that possible, though? It's Federal law. Maybe I'm stating it poorly... but for every schollie increase for men there will be one fit women. Baseball doesn't have to fund 35, but if it added 5... some women's sport or sports would get 5 more. We'll have see what comes out. But, we pretty much know OSU will not have the supposed $20-30 mil for university controlled NIL $. And, will not have the funds to increase schollies by much. The settlement will basically speed up the creation of a super conference. It's not like OSU can afford that many more schollies. I view scholarships as, more or less, a sunk cost. The numbers on paper greatly exceed the true costs, because you are going to still put on the classes regardless, especially with a lot more online classes. You are still going to have the same amount of University-controlled housing. There may be an increased food cost but a lot of that is covered, because athletes tend to get different food from the rest of the student body anyway. But that is about it in real numbers. The numbers are there, though, to justify things to the State and Federal governments and the NCAA. That said, it is my understanding that the State of Oregon is providing Oregon State with up to $10 million for scholarships. If Oregon State does not use up the $10 million, it could theoretically use the $10 million to add more scholarships in sports. Right? |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 19, 2024 10:33:14 GMT -8
Maybe I'm stating it poorly... but for every schollie increase for men there will be one fit women. Baseball doesn't have to fund 35, but if it added 5... some women's sport or sports would get 5 more. We'll have see what comes out. But, we pretty much know OSU will not have the supposed $20-30 mil for university controlled NIL $. And, will not have the funds to increase schollies by much. The settlement will basically speed up the creation of a super conference. It's not like OSU can afford that many more schollies. I view scholarships as, more or less, a sunk cost. The numbers on paper greatly exceed the true costs, because you are going to still put on the classes regardless, especially with a lot more online classes. You are still going to have the same amount of University-controlled housing. There may be an increased food cost but a lot of that is covered, because athletes tend to get different food from the rest of the student body anyway. But that is about it in real numbers. The numbers are there, though, to justify things to the State and Federal governments and the NCAA. That said, it is my understanding that the State of Oregon is providing Oregon State with up to $10 million for scholarships. If Oregon State does not use up the $10 million, it could theoretically use the $10 million to add more scholarships in sports. Right? The $10 mil is a one time expenditure the legislature included in a $43-44 million series of "Xmas Tree bills to appease certain constituents... - $15 million for the Hillsboro Hops, a privately owned Class A minor league baseball team seeking to build a new stadium. - $10 million for Oregon State University for athletic scholarships. but that was before OSU and Washington State University won the hefty multimillion-dollar legal judgement against the Pac-12.. Some lawmakers are wanting to amend this. We will see? - $7.5 million for the privately owned Eugene Emeralds Class A minor league baseball team, who are seeking to build a new stadium. - $5 million for the Eugene Civic Alliance to build a new soccer facility. (This is separate from the Emeralds stadium.) - $3 million for Willamette University (which is private) “for artificial turf and lights at Roy S. ‘Spec’ Keene Stadium at Bush Park to support Salem youth baseball and softball.” - $3 million for “Round-Up City Development Corporation to support the construction of the Pendleton Regional Sports Complex.” Either way, the $10 mil will not sustain added schollies to multiple sports for years to come. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 19, 2024 16:26:50 GMT -8
I view scholarships as, more or less, a sunk cost. The numbers on paper greatly exceed the true costs, because you are going to still put on the classes regardless, especially with a lot more online classes. You are still going to have the same amount of University-controlled housing. There may be an increased food cost but a lot of that is covered, because athletes tend to get different food from the rest of the student body anyway. But that is about it in real numbers. The numbers are there, though, to justify things to the State and Federal governments and the NCAA. That said, it is my understanding that the State of Oregon is providing Oregon State with up to $10 million for scholarships. If Oregon State does not use up the $10 million, it could theoretically use the $10 million to add more scholarships in sports. Right? The $10 mil is a one time expenditure the legislature included in a $43-44 million series of "Xmas Tree bills to appease certain constituents... - $15 million for the Hillsboro Hops, a privately owned Class A minor league baseball team seeking to build a new stadium. - $10 million for Oregon State University for athletic scholarships. but that was before OSU and Washington State University won the hefty multimillion-dollar legal judgement against the Pac-12.. Some lawmakers are wanting to amend this. We will see? - $7.5 million for the privately owned Eugene Emeralds Class A minor league baseball team, who are seeking to build a new stadium. - $5 million for the Eugene Civic Alliance to build a new soccer facility. (This is separate from the Emeralds stadium.) - $3 million for Willamette University (which is private) “for artificial turf and lights at Roy S. ‘Spec’ Keene Stadium at Bush Park to support Salem youth baseball and softball.” - $3 million for “Round-Up City Development Corporation to support the construction of the Pendleton Regional Sports Complex.” Either way, the $10 mil will not sustain added schollies to multiple sports for years to come. Good summation. Just as a point, because it bothers me, but I do not believe that Oregon State and Wazzu won a "judgement" against the Pac-12. I believe that it was a settlement. The Oregon Legislature is out of session and, as I understand it, cannot reconvene until January 8, 2025. (There are some legislative committee days and some budget things in September, November, and December, though, so I am not 100% sure how that all works.) The Oregon Legislature may try and claw some of that money back next year, but I do not think that they can if it has already been expended. I do not live in Oregon, but it is an important election for Oregon State University. Anyone candidate who went to Oregon State University should get a long look on the ballot. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 20, 2024 14:12:15 GMT -8
I don't think the money for the Emeralds stadium will be disbursed, since the voters turned down spending county money on a new ballpark. Barring some creative thinking, the Ems may be toast.
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