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Post by beaverinohio on Jun 6, 2024 14:09:50 GMT -8
Glad we got a home game with the Zags, that will be a big crowd. Going to the SMC/USF road trip would be fun. Great gyms to watch a game in. Our longest flight will be to San Diego, and the Colorado/Utah road trip is eliminated. That's a plus, too. So call me crazy or disagree, but I think the WCC works out very well for us for MBB, WBB, volleyball and both soccers. Yeah, works out great except that the affiliation cost us most of our best players. Besides that little consideration, great. I don’t think the change in conference impacted Pope’s decision. Might have had some impact on Tyler, but still think he would have been gone with Pope leaving. Not sure any of the others were big losses. Now I do think it had impact on WBB. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 6, 2024 14:30:34 GMT -8
Santa Clara and UOP are only 55 miles apart as the crow flies and only 75 miles apart driving. Closer than the WSU/UW, ASU/UA and Utah/Colorado road trips, and only 30 miles longer than the Cal-Stanford trip. You can fly into San Jose and be at UOP in less than two hours. I think the Stockton Swing Bridge (Stockton west side) is literally about 17 minutes drive time from the CA 4 Old Bridge (entryway to Contra Costa County, part of the Bay Area) according to Google anyways. Sure, it’s a technicality, but the Bay Area is pretty huge, not just San Francisco. Anything East of Livermore is not the Bay Area. Stockton is in the San Joaquin Valley. At least 20 miles East of the edge of the Bay Area. It would be like saying that Oakridge, Oregon is on the Coast, because Lane County touches the Pacific. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2024 14:43:00 GMT -8
Santa Clara and UOP are only 55 miles apart as the crow flies and only 75 miles apart driving. Closer than the WSU/UW, ASU/UA and Utah/Colorado road trips, and only 30 miles longer than the Cal-Stanford trip. You can fly into San Jose and be at UOP in less than two hours. I didn't say how far they are from other schools. I just don't consider Stockton in the Bay Area like I don't consider Corvallis in the Portland Metro Area. They both are 75 miles apart driving. I know you didn't, not second-guessing at all, you generally know your stuff. Just pointing out they are closer than many people might think. Our WCC travel will be a picnic. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 6, 2024 14:45:39 GMT -8
Glad we got a home game with the Zags, that will be a big crowd. Going to the SMC/USF road trip would be fun. Great gyms to watch a game in. Our longest flight will be to San Diego, and the Colorado/Utah road trip is eliminated. That's a plus, too. So call me crazy or disagree, but I think the WCC works out very well for us for MBB, WBB, volleyball and both soccers. Yeah, works out great except that the affiliation cost us most of our best players. Besides that little consideration, great. How about we go through an entire season before rushing to judgement? And Pope and Tyler were most likely leaving anyways, the schools they chose pay a lot more than we can. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 6, 2024 16:24:21 GMT -8
Yeah, works out great except that the affiliation cost us most of our best players. Besides that little consideration, great. How about we go through an entire season before rushing to judgement? And Pope and Tyler were most likely leaving anyways, the schools they chose pay a lot more than we can. And, if you want to be technical... they weren't good enough to carry a roster. They were part of two of the worst seasons in OSU MBB. Not that they weren't the best on the roster, but they are not program changers. If OSU had the big NIL $ to dole out we'd better hope for better players! |
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Post by gnawitall on Jun 6, 2024 18:16:38 GMT -8
Yeah, works out great except that the affiliation cost us most of our best players. Besides that little consideration, great. I don’t think the change in conference impacted Pope’s decision. Might have had some impact on Tyler, but still think he would have been gone with Pope leaving. Not sure any of the others were big losses. Now I do think it had impact on WBB. WBB had 13 wins in '22,'23. I wonder if they repeated that this year if we'd have lost as many? Just comparing since the men weren't very good this year and we lost a few good ones. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jun 6, 2024 19:28:00 GMT -8
I'm surprised that OSU got both Gonzaga and St Mary's twice. WCC has a system to help the top 2-3 teams RPI by only playing the lowest RPI teams just once. They have been doing that for a few seasons now. Gonzaga is missing Pacific and San Diego, which are two of the three teams with the worst NET in the West Coast Conference in 2024. Wazzu is notably missing the other half of Loyola-Marymount. Loyola-Marymount will be playing all eight non-affiliate members home-and-away. They travel to Corvallis and get Wazzu in Los Angeles. Maybe add a trip to Wazzu in nonconference? Add some of the Pac-10 teams as nonconference games. That could be a great schedule. I know both Tinkle and Altman have said they want to at least 1 game next season. Plus, I know that OSU is in the Diamond Head Classic in Hawaii again around Christmas. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 6, 2024 20:34:49 GMT -8
Gonzaga is missing Pacific and San Diego, which are two of the three teams with the worst NET in the West Coast Conference in 2024. Wazzu is notably missing the other half of Loyola-Marymount. Loyola-Marymount will be playing all eight non-affiliate members home-and-away. They travel to Corvallis and get Wazzu in Los Angeles. Maybe add a trip to Wazzu in nonconference? Add some of the Pac-10 teams as nonconference games. That could be a great schedule. I know both Tinkle and Altman have said they want to at least 1 game next season. Plus, I know that OSU is in the Diamond Head Classic in Hawaii again around Christmas. Nebraska, Loyola-Chicago, Charleston, Charlotte, & Hawaii are all in the Diamond Head Classic so far. I have heard that they are still looking for two other teams. I think that you get at least eight others beyond the nonconference tournament. I would like to see most, if not all, of those nonconference games wind up being against Pac-12 teams. As little change as possible. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 7, 2024 1:27:03 GMT -8
We still get to play Linfield? Bushnell? not sure of other sports, but I think the golf team has a tourney at Bushwood. The judge can confirm. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jun 7, 2024 2:48:41 GMT -8
I know both Tinkle and Altman have said they want to at least 1 game next season. Plus, I know that OSU is in the Diamond Head Classic in Hawaii again around Christmas. Nebraska, Loyola-Chicago, Charleston, Charlotte, & Hawaii are all in the Diamond Head Classic so far. I have heard that they are still looking for two other teams. I think that you get at least eight others beyond the nonconference tournament. I would like to see most, if not all, of those nonconference games wind up being against Pac-12 teams. As little change as possible. With 18 conference games that means OSU needs 12-13 OOC games. They have 3 in the Diamond Head Classic for sure. Like I said sounds like they and Oregon want to play, so that's 4. That leaves 8-9 OOC games to fill. I agree, get a few PAC teams at least to play. Will see how things pan out. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 7, 2024 9:05:14 GMT -8
Nebraska, Loyola-Chicago, Charleston, Charlotte, & Hawaii are all in the Diamond Head Classic so far. I have heard that they are still looking for two other teams. I think that you get at least eight others beyond the nonconference tournament. I would like to see most, if not all, of those nonconference games wind up being against Pac-12 teams. As little change as possible. With 18 conference games that means OSU needs 12-13 OOC games. They have 3 in the Diamond Head Classic for sure. Like I said sounds like they and Oregon want to play, so that's 4. That leaves 8-9 OOC games to fill. I agree, get a few PAC teams at least to play. Will see how things pan out. I'm not sure that will, can happen?? First, WT has never really had a strong NC. Adding several Pac12 teams would make it the best NC schedule in his tenure. With the current roster those games may be a disaster considering how the former rosters did. Related... how many former Pac12 teams are willing to travel to the Valley for one game? Is OSU going to be a road warrior? I suppose if they can swing a roadie with two games vs former travel partners. Or, if a B10 team traveling to UW/Oregon games (assuming that's how the road trip will be arranged?) want a 3rd game?? Once conference starts that's not happening. My guess... the WCC 18, Hawaii 3, Oregon, extra WSU, PSU 1 or 2, a non-D1, then some WAC or MWC teams to fill it out. If they get lucky maybe 2 vs former conference mates?? |
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Post by beaverinohio on Jun 7, 2024 18:29:41 GMT -8
I’m not sure trying to put together a tough NC schedule really is the best thing for the program for next year. Plus it seems to go against Wayne’s usual strategy. While I love to see my teams play tough NC games such as Illinois will next year with Alabama, Tenn and Duke, Illini are at a different place with its program. Overall wins and doing at least fairly well in conference will likely be more beneficial for program in the short term as it tries to build interest. Baby steps.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 7, 2024 22:07:54 GMT -8
OSU has never played what would be considered a "tough" OOC schedule since the demise of the Far West Classic, when the fields were outstanding. When the 8-team field went away, we had to play the return games for the good teams we could attract. And the quality of the FWC diminished greatly once the numerous other holiday tournaments, especially the ones in the warm-w4eather climes, came into vogue.
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Post by seastape on Jun 8, 2024 4:59:53 GMT -8
Santa Clara and UOP are only 55 miles apart as the crow flies and only 75 miles apart driving. Closer than the WSU/UW, ASU/UA and Utah/Colorado road trips, and only 30 miles longer than the Cal-Stanford trip. You can fly into San Jose and be at UOP in less than two hours. I think the Stockton Swing Bridge (Stockton west side) is literally about 17 minutes drive time from the CA 4 Old Bridge (entryway to Contra Costa County, part of the Bay Area) according to Google anyways. Sure, it’s a technicality, but the Bay Area is pretty huge, not just SanFrancisco. I don't think I would describe the whole of Contra Costa County as being in the Bay Area in kind of the same way that I would not describe the whole of Clackamas and Wahington counties as being in the Portland Metro Area. I'm not sure, though. If I asked the people of Estacada, Oregon if they thought they were part of the Portland metro area what would they say? Would the people in Gilroy, CA say they were part of the Bay Area? I don't know. My opinions may be clouded by my age. I always thought if you are leaving a metro area and encounter a rural area, then the towns beyond the rural area are not part of the metro area. And when I was younger, a rural area clearly separated Stockton and the East Bay. But a lot of the regions in that part of California have been running into each other for the last 40 years. |
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