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Post by 86BEAVER on May 24, 2024 18:25:12 GMT -8
Casey wouldn't put up with the brain-dead execution and swing for the fences mentality.
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Post by zeroposter on May 24, 2024 18:35:32 GMT -8
Casey wouldn't put up with the brain-dead execution and swing for the fences mentality. Kwan had base running blunders very similar to the base running blunders that we see this season. He also had numerous mental mistakes on his throws from the outfield. It was fun watching the Kwan-Casey interactions after the blunders. If you think Canham doesn’t talk to the players after such blunders in much the same manner as Casey did, then you are full of crap. Canham might not be an in-your-face guy, but the mental blunders aren’t just accepted. Just look in the dugout after one of the mental blunders. |
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Post by irimi on May 24, 2024 19:12:23 GMT -8
Pat would say "Shut up and let Mitch coach the team." If we all did this, what would there be to discuss? I’m not disagreeing that Casey wouldn’t say that; he probably would, which is why he doesn’t solicit calls or advice from us fans. But isn’t that the whole purpose of the fan board, namely to express frustration and to second guess the plays in the game. Why shut down the discussion? I think you have far more valuable insight to offer. |
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Post by irimi on May 24, 2024 19:24:30 GMT -8
Casey wouldn't put up with the brain-dead execution and swing for the fences mentality. But look at the talent that Canham has brought in. And compare that to what Casey brought in. One look at the record books and it’s clear. I think Canham has recruited powerful hitters modeled after pro ball and the SEC. Casey’s game was different. He was focused on grinding out a win any way possible. I have to say that I find that approach more appealing to me as a fan, but that doesn’t mean I expect Canham to follow that plan. Was Jonathan Smith supposed to follow Riley’s way of building a program? (I chose Riley because he was our last successful football coach.) At the end of the day, it’s Canham’s team, and win or lose, I want him to be proud and say that he did it his way. I also think that anything we see or perceive as a potential advantage, he and his staff have already discussed. just my thoughts |
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Post by 56chevy on May 24, 2024 19:39:35 GMT -8
Canham et al. would do well to insist on a more disciplined approach to teaching fundamentals. Thus, chronically poor base-running and fielding has never really improved through the season and has really hurt this team at times. I also wonder about the Beavs pattern of amazingly inconsistent pitching and batting. World-beating hitting and/or pitching way too often virtually disappears almost in the wink of an eye...both from game to game and even in-game. IMO, greater emphasis on effective coaching in these areas might be a good start next year. At least you are consistent Grackle. Resume come with those opinions? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 24, 2024 19:46:01 GMT -8
Pat would say "Shut up and let Mitch coach the team." If we all did this, what would there be to discuss? I’m not disagreeing that Casey wouldn’t say that; he probably would, which is why he doesn’t solicit calls or advice from us fans. But isn’t that the whole purpose of the fan board, namely to express frustration and to second guess the plays in the game. Why shut down the discussion? I think you have far more valuable insight to offer. Sure it is. But the question was, "What would Casey do," not "what would the fans say." |
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Post by irimi on May 24, 2024 20:40:30 GMT -8
If we all did this, what would there be to discuss? I’m not disagreeing that Casey wouldn’t say that; he probably would, which is why he doesn’t solicit calls or advice from us fans. But isn’t that the whole purpose of the fan board, namely to express frustration and to second guess the plays in the game. Why shut down the discussion? I think you have far more valuable insight to offer. Sure it is. But the question was, "What would Casey do," not "what would the fans say." Fair enough |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2024 22:12:51 GMT -8
Casey wouldn't put up with the brain-dead execution and swing for the fences mentality. Kwan had base running blunders very similar to the base running blunders that we see this season. He also had numerous mental mistakes on his throws from the outfield. It was fun watching the Kwan-Casey interactions after the blunders. If you think Canham doesn’t talk to the players after such blunders in much the same manner as Casey did, then you are full of crap. Canham might not be an in-your-face guy, but the mental blunders aren’t just accepted. Just look in the dugout after one of the mental blunders. I remember Game One against Mississippi State in 2018. Oregon State had just knotted it up at one with no outs. Grenier at third, Larnach at first , and Rutschman in the box. Rutschman hits a ground ball to the pitcher. Grenier inexplicably is coming home and gets thrown out by a country mile. Larnach, expecting Grenier to at least try to get into a rundown, is halfway between second and third. The catcher throws to third, and Larnach is caught caught trying to get back to second. Just your standard 1-2-5-4 double-play. Do-or-die game. Oregon State had beat Washington and North Carolina but needed to beat Mississippi State on consecutive days to erase the first loss to North Carolina. Can't screw it up. And then that happens. Fortunately, Oregon State batted around the next inning to go up five. There were boneheaded shenanigans in 2018 and in bigger games. You just forget, because the games turned out right. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 25, 2024 10:07:00 GMT -8
Kwan had base running blunders very similar to the base running blunders that we see this season. He also had numerous mental mistakes on his throws from the outfield. It was fun watching the Kwan-Casey interactions after the blunders. If you think Canham doesn’t talk to the players after such blunders in much the same manner as Casey did, then you are full of crap. Canham might not be an in-your-face guy, but the mental blunders aren’t just accepted. Just look in the dugout after one of the mental blunders. I remember Game One against Mississippi State in 2018. Oregon State had just knotted it up at one with no outs. Grenier at third, Larnach at first , and Rutschman in the box. Rutschman hits a ground ball to the pitcher. Grenier inexplicably is coming home and gets thrown out by a country mile. Larnach, expecting Grenier to at least try to get into a rundown, is halfway between second and third. The catcher throws to third, and Larnach is caught caught trying to get back to second. Just your standard 1-2-5-4 double-play. Do-or-die game. Oregon State had beat Washington and North Carolina but needed to beat Mississippi State on consecutive days to erase the first loss to North Carolina. Can't screw it up. And then that happens. Fortunately, Oregon State batted around the next inning to go up five. There were boneheaded shenanigans in 2018 and in bigger games. You just forget, because the games turned out right. Adley's blunder by not getting down on a DP ball in Game 1 against Arkansas led to an interference call and took a run off the board. |
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Post by beaver1989 on May 25, 2024 16:45:51 GMT -8
Here are the sacrifice hit numbers for the team between 2013-2024.
I had to use a couple of different sources, so take these numbers and conference rankings with a grain of salt.
2024 *21(7th) USC 34(1st)
2023 35(3rd) Utah 47(1st)
2022 37(2nd) Utah 41(1st)
2021 41(1st) USC 33(2nd)
2020 5(11th) WSU 19(1st) Canham's first year cut short after 14 games due to covid.
2019 43(2nd) WSU 49(1st) Bailey's year as head coach.
2018 66(1st) UW 49(2nd) Casey's last year as head coach and winner of the 2018 CWS.
2017 50(2nd) UCLA 56(1st) tied with Arizona for 2nd
2016 51(4th) UW 84(1st) tied with Oregon for 4th
2015 62(3rd) UO 81(1st)
2014 52(8th) UO 87(1st)
2013 61(7th) UO 99(1st)
Casey was willing to sacrifice more often than Canham, but the bunt was more prevalent during that time.(See Horton at Oregon)
Remember, the high seam baseball that didn't carry was replaced in 2015.
By 2018 Casey had a 60+ HR team that also had 66 sacrifices. They could beat you in a lot of different ways.(Swiss Army Knife)
From 2019-2024, the data clearly indicates that the bunt has fallen out of favor with coaches in the conference.
*there are two numbers given for OSU either 21 or 23 sac bunts
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