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Post by lefty on May 24, 2024 7:54:17 GMT -8
One of the things that I have noticed is that we rarely sacrifice when our lead off player gets on base and we do not bunt when the shift is on. It seems to me that Casey utilized the bunt as a vital part of his game. The threat of bunting should cause the infield to play in closer and thereby improve the batters chance of getting a hit. Pressure, Pressure, Pressure. We need to start using this weapon
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Post by speakthetruth on May 24, 2024 8:02:40 GMT -8
This year's offense is based on swing for the fences or strikeout. Often times both on the same at bat.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 24, 2024 9:25:12 GMT -8
Pat would say "Shut up and let Mitch coach the team."
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Post by tamatrix on May 24, 2024 9:38:41 GMT -8
Pat would say "Shut up and let Mitch coach the team." This. |
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Post by grackle on May 24, 2024 10:28:45 GMT -8
Canham et al. would do well to insist on a more disciplined approach to teaching fundamentals. Thus, chronically poor base-running and fielding has never really improved through the season and has really hurt this team at times.
I also wonder about the Beavs pattern of amazingly inconsistent pitching and batting. World-beating hitting and/or pitching way too often virtually disappears almost in the wink of an eye...both from game to game and even in-game.
IMO, greater emphasis on effective coaching in these areas might be a good start next year.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2024 10:34:03 GMT -8
Canham et al. would do well to insist on a more disciplined approach to teaching fundamentals. Thus, chronically poor base-running and fielding has never really improved through the season and has really hurt this team at times. I also wonder about the Beavs pattern of amazingly inconsistent pitching and batting. World-beating hitting and/or pitching way too often virtually disappears almost in the wink of an eye...both from game to game and even in-game. IMO, greater emphasis on effective coaching in these areas might be a good start next year. You really think that is a coaching thing? These players have been playing long enough that they know how to run the bases. That's more of an "instinct" thing at this point. |
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Post by speakthetruth on May 24, 2024 10:41:58 GMT -8
Canham et al. would do well to insist on a more disciplined approach to teaching fundamentals. Thus, chronically poor base-running and fielding has never really improved through the season and has really hurt this team at times. I also wonder about the Beavs pattern of amazingly inconsistent pitching and batting. World-beating hitting and/or pitching way too often virtually disappears almost in the wink of an eye...both from game to game and even in-game. IMO, greater emphasis on effective coaching in these areas might be a good start next year. You really think that is a coaching thing? These players have been playing long enough that they know how to run the bases. That's more of an "instinct" thing at this point. They do? Two were picked off the last game. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2024 10:49:24 GMT -8
You really think that is a coaching thing? These players have been playing long enough that they know how to run the bases. That's more of an "instinct" thing at this point. They do? Two were picked off the last game. So, the coach should have told them not to get picked off?..........it's bad instincts or a bad read, not coaching. |
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Post by richard44 on May 24, 2024 10:55:11 GMT -8
Canham et al. would do well to insist on a more disciplined approach to teaching fundamentals. Thus, chronically poor base-running and fielding has never really improved through the season and has really hurt this team at times. I also wonder about the Beavs pattern of amazingly inconsistent pitching and batting. World-beating hitting and/or pitching way too often virtually disappears almost in the wink of an eye...both from game to game and even in-game. IMO, greater emphasis on effective coaching in these areas might be a good start next year. You really think that is a coaching thing? These players have been playing long enough that they know how to run the bases. That's more of an "instinct" thing at this point. I also think some people’s expectations are way out of wack for our “program” and coaching staff. Bashing a coaching staff who continue to take our program to the postseason literally every year since they have been here, consistently bring in top 25 recruiting classes, improve our facilities, produce first round draft picks, have coached teams to break all time OSU records, and are good character guys is ridiculous. I like setting goals to reach Omaha, but let’s not get unrealistic about how hard that is to do. Saying they don’t coach fundamentals is laughable. These guys are good coaches and represent OSU extremely well. Let’s not become the entitled school who kicks out a good thing to only realize that we had it pretty damn good. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2024 10:59:20 GMT -8
You really think that is a coaching thing? These players have been playing long enough that they know how to run the bases. That's more of an "instinct" thing at this point. I also think some people’s expectations are way out of wack for our “program” and coaching staff. Bashing a coaching staff who continue to take our program to the postseason literally every year since they have been here, consistently bring in top 25 recruiting classes, improve our facilities, produce first round draft picks, have coached teams to break all time OSU records, and are good character guys is ridiculous. I like setting goals to reach Omaha, but let’s not get unrealistic about how hard that is to do. Saying they don’t coach fundamentals is laughable. These guys are good coaches and represent OSU extremely well. Let’s not become the entitled school who kicks out a good thing to only realize that we had it pretty damn good. Success creates unrealistic expectations. Just ask uck football fans. |
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Post by BeaverG20 on May 24, 2024 12:02:15 GMT -8
I also think some people’s expectations are way out of wack for our “program” and coaching staff. Bashing a coaching staff who continue to take our program to the postseason literally every year since they have been here, consistently bring in top 25 recruiting classes, improve our facilities, produce first round draft picks, have coached teams to break all time OSU records, and are good character guys is ridiculous. I like setting goals to reach Omaha, but let’s not get unrealistic about how hard that is to do. Saying they don’t coach fundamentals is laughable. These guys are good coaches and represent OSU extremely well. Let’s not become the entitled school who kicks out a good thing to only realize that we had it pretty damn good. Success creates unrealistic expectations. Just ask uck football fans. So true. Also, baseball is too hard to predict. Nobody in their right mind thinks the 2007 team is better than the 2017 team, or 2008 Fresno St. was better than 2023 OSU, but two are champions, and two aren't. And people who think the coaching staff doesn't coach the team to lay off sliders out of the zone, have a touch of Spanish parliament member in them. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 24, 2024 12:23:12 GMT -8
Canham et al. would do well to insist on a more disciplined approach to teaching fundamentals. Thus, chronically poor base-running and fielding has never really improved through the season and has really hurt this team at times. I also wonder about the Beavs pattern of amazingly inconsistent pitching and batting. World-beating hitting and/or pitching way too often virtually disappears almost in the wink of an eye...both from game to game and even in-game. IMO, greater emphasis on effective coaching in these areas might be a good start next year. You really think that is a coaching thing? These players have been playing long enough that they know how to run the bases. That's more of an "instinct" thing at this point. Well then, many of their instincts stink! |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2024 12:23:58 GMT -8
Success creates unrealistic expectations. Just ask uck football fans. So true. Also, baseball is too hard to predict. Nobody in their right mind thinks the 2007 team is better than the 2017 team, or 2008 Fresno St. was better than 2023 OSU, but two are champions, and two aren't. And people who think the coaching staff doesn't coach the team to lay off sliders out of the zone, have a touch of Spanish parliament member in them. Still think the 2017 team was the best team of all time. Better than 2018. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 24, 2024 13:17:25 GMT -8
The program is (6) years removed from PC's overall influence on the program and in that vein the type of player recruited and developed under him. The bottom line PC and staff were "old school" and far more discipline oriented. I'm not sure how many of the present guys would have made it thru 3-4 seasons under PC if there was a portal then. PC and staff coached a different game, they developed players differently, and stressed skill development differently.
MC is different that PC. He is not and never will be PC regardless of playing for him. MC came from MiLB and was a "manager" and I guy who was more about getting players comfortable to the pro lifestyle and being able to be successful. His style at OSU is more "player friendly" and not a bad thing as today's player is not the same as those recruited by PC. Neither is a bad thing, but a reality. For me, most of the "complaints" about this season and/or the program the last few years it boils down to discipline. I do not believe the same intense discipline is instilled and the players are left to be a bit more "self motivated".
But, again that is the recent shift in athletics/society... a definite shift in the amount of overall discipline and in some ways accountability. It is one of the things about the portal that drives me crazy. Don't stay, work harder on your craft, get batter, earn playing time... nope leave/run away and try to find playing time based on speculation.
As far as "expectations" for OSU baseball...
- reaching the postseason as a a reason to praise this staff is a bit lame. OSU would have to fall off the map for consecutive seasons+ to not be in the field of 64. It should be a given;
- to me for this team being a Top 16 host is a legit expectation going into a Pac12 season and I believe OSU will host due to it's overall level of play;
- the complaints seemed based on people's own preconceived notions not being fulfilled. Rankings, preseason chatter, recruiting hype do not a team/season make;
- OSU had a ton of "holes"/question marks to be answered after the 2023 season and all were not going to turn out positive, yet it appeared many assumed most would;
- a ton of postseason success is out of a teams control as other teams play the game too. They have hype, they have successes, they deserve accolades;
- if OSU is in the field they do control their own destiny, what else can you ask?
But, comparing what PC would do and MC has done is a waste of time and space. As mentioned they are not remotely the same type of coach and have very, very different backgrounds and levels of experience in coaching. No one knows how players of the last 5-6 seasons would have progressed with a different staff lead by PC. Or would they have even stayed put being replaced by other recruits. Let alone what decisions PC would have made and their outcome!
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Post by spudbeaver on May 24, 2024 16:55:42 GMT -8
The program is (6) years removed from PC's overall influence on the program and in that vein the type of player recruited and developed under him. The bottom line PC and staff were "old school" and far more discipline oriented. I'm not sure how many of the present guys would have made it thru 3-4 seasons under PC if there was a portal then. PC and staff coached a different game, they developed players differently, and stressed skill development differently. MC is different that PC. He is not and never will be PC regardless of playing for him. MC came from MiLB and was a "manager" and I guy who was more about getting players comfortable to the pro lifestyle and being able to be successful. His style at OSU is more "player friendly" and not a bad thing as today's player is not the same as those recruited by PC. Neither is a bad thing, but a reality. For me, most of the "complaints" about this season and/or the program the last few years it boils down to discipline. I do not believe the same intense discipline is instilled and the players are left to be a bit more "self motivated". But, again that is the recent shift in athletics/society... a definite shift in the amount of overall discipline and in some ways accountability. It is one of the things about the portal that drives me crazy. Don't stay, work harder on your craft, get batter, earn playing time... nope leave/run away and try to find playing time based on speculation. As far as "expectations" for OSU baseball... - reaching the postseason as a a reason to praise this staff is a bit lame. OSU would have to fall off the map for consecutive seasons+ to not be in the field of 64. It should be a given; - to me for this team being a Top 16 host is a legit expectation going into a Pac12 season and I believe OSU will host due to it's overall level of play; - the complaints seemed based on people's own preconceived notions not being fulfilled. Rankings, preseason chatter, recruiting hype do not a team/season make; - OSU had a ton of "holes"/question marks to be answered after the 2023 season and all were not going to turn out positive, yet it appeared many assumed most would; - a ton of postseason success is out of a teams control as other teams play the game too. They have hype, they have successes, they deserve accolades; - if OSU is in the field they do control their own destiny, what else can you ask? But, comparing what PC would do and MC has done is a waste of time and space. As mentioned they are not remotely the same type of coach and have very, very different backgrounds and levels of experience in coaching. No one knows how players of the last 5-6 seasons would have progressed with a different staff lead by PC. Or would they have even stayed put being replaced by other recruits. Let alone what decisions PC would have made and their outcome! Well said. Good post. Funny though (in an honestly funny way from me) that your saying that what would be a “waste of time and space” is pretty much what you did very well! |
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