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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 22, 2024 12:36:11 GMT -8
A Oregon State must beat Arizona State. The Beavs are done at 0-2. And probably will not host either.
B Oregon State also needs one of the two results to happen.
#1 Washington must beat Arizona tonight or
#2 Arizona must beat Cal tomorrow.
A Washington win tonight guarantees that Arizona will either win Pool A or finish 0-2.
An Arizona win tomorrow guarantees that Arizona will win Pool A, eliminating them from taking the wildcard bid into the Semifinals.
So go Huskies tonight!
And, failing that, go Wildcats tomorrow!
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Post by clydebeav on May 22, 2024 13:01:50 GMT -8
Definitely hoping for a Husky win tonight. That’s the scenario where we control our own destiny going into tomorrow morning.
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Post by clydebeav on May 22, 2024 13:37:17 GMT -8
To add to that, if Arizona wins tonight, they really don’t NEED to win tomorrow. It would actually be wise for them to save their best pitchers or even intentionally lose that game to eliminate the Beavers (arguably their toughest competition).
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 22, 2024 13:40:57 GMT -8
To add to that, if Arizona wins tonight, they really don’t NEED to win tomorrow. It would actually be wise for them to save their best pitchers or even intentionally lose that game to eliminate the Beavers (arguably their toughest competition). But they need Oregon State's RPI this year. Arizona's best bet is to beat Oregon State in the Pac-12 Championship Game. And that is also Oregon State's best bet. Still, just to be safe, go Huskies! Arizona can beat Cal, and we can still play the Wildcats in the Championship Game. |
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Post by irimi on May 22, 2024 13:49:24 GMT -8
To add to that, if Arizona wins tonight, they really don’t NEED to win tomorrow. It would actually be wise for them to save their best pitchers or even intentionally lose that game to eliminate the Beavers (arguably their toughest competition). Which Beavs are you talking about? The ones who watch the pitches go by and lose games? Or the ones that beat the crap out of the ball and win by 10?
Jekyll and Hyde.
Really disappointed that the Beavs couldn't take advantage of Stanford using their best pitchers yesterday.
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Post by tamatrix on May 22, 2024 14:36:10 GMT -8
To add to that, if Arizona wins tonight, they really don’t NEED to win tomorrow. It would actually be wise for them to save their best pitchers or even intentionally lose that game to eliminate the Beavers (arguably their toughest competition). Disagree, with their RPI, losing another game would really hurt their chances to host, they need to win (course, so did we....) |
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Post by rgeorge on May 22, 2024 15:56:25 GMT -8
To add to that, if Arizona wins tonight, they really don’t NEED to win tomorrow. It would actually be wise for them to save their best pitchers or even intentionally lose that game to eliminate the Beavers (arguably their toughest competition). They do NOT need OSU's RPI if they win the Pac12 Tourney... they get an auto bid. Plus, winning the regular season and being in at least the Semis they are in the field of 64. Arizona is in period. I think Chip Hale knows there is not way in heck Arizona is hosting a regional even going 4-0. So, why not set up his staff for this and the Regional?! UW winning tonight would be... well, not going to happen after getting demolished by Cal. If I'm coaching Arizona I'm winning tonight, even if I have to give my #1 or #2 some short "pen" work live. I then go "staff" vs Cal... not an intentional throwing of a game. But as the wild card Arizona would feel great vs any of the Semi matchups... Stanford or the winner of Pool C as they can't play Cal in a Semi. I then can set up my staff for the postseason as I'm not worrying about trying to host. |
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Post by lefty on May 22, 2024 16:31:20 GMT -8
That is not the way I understood them to say listening to the game. The wildcard is determined by the team that won the regular season series if the teams have the same tournament record. If that is the case then we need to win and if we are tied with CAL or USC we are screwed. Tied with AZ, ucks. Utah, or WASH we are in the semi's.
Very disappointing game today. Only a couple of decent swings and Trotsky swinging at a 3-1 count with the pitch looking like ball 4 was the frosting on the cake or was it the 10 K's with one with the bases loaded. Maybe I expect too much out of Travis but he was another major disappointment. Three wimpy swings!
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Post by tamatrix on May 22, 2024 16:32:58 GMT -8
That is not the way I understood them to say listening to the game. The wildcard is determined by the team that won the regular season series if the teams have the same tournament record. If that is the case then we need to win and if we are tied with CAL or USC we are screwed. Tied with AZ, ucks. Utah, or WASH we are in the semi's. Very disappointing game today. Only a couple of decent swings and Trotsky swinging at a 3-1 count with the pitch looking like ball 4 was the frosting on the cake or was it the 10 K's with one with the bases loaded. Maybe I expect too much out of Travis but he was another major disappointment. Three wimpy swings! Not correct. Tiebreaker for pool and Wildcard is regular season ranking, nothing to do with Head to Head. Arizona only team that has better tie-breaker than us. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 22, 2024 16:36:03 GMT -8
That is not the way I understood them to say listening to the game. The wildcard is determined by the team that won the regular season series if the teams have the same tournament record. If that is the case then we need to win and if we are tied with CAL or USC we are screwed. Tied with AZ, ucks. Utah, or WASH we are in the semi's. Very disappointing game today. Only a couple of decent swings and Trotsky swinging at a 3-1 count with the pitch looking like ball 4 was the frosting on the cake or was it the 10 K's with one with the bases loaded. Maybe I expect too much out of Travis but he was another major disappointment. Three wimpy swings! "The three pool winners will advance to the Friday single-elimination semifinals along with one Wild Card team. The Wild Card will be determined by the best record of the non-advancing teams. Any tiebreaker will be awarded to the highest seeded team." |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 22, 2024 16:38:44 GMT -8
Anybody else think this tourney format is goofy? It’s like Rubiks Cube if you don’t see it on paper!
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Post by tamatrix on May 22, 2024 16:40:40 GMT -8
Anybody else think this tourney format is goofy? It’s like Rubiks Cube if you don’t see it on paper! Big advantage to being good in regular season....I think it makes more sense than other options out there that really stretch out pitching.... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 22, 2024 16:49:00 GMT -8
To add to that, if Arizona wins tonight, they really don’t NEED to win tomorrow. It would actually be wise for them to save their best pitchers or even intentionally lose that game to eliminate the Beavers (arguably their toughest competition). They do NOT need OSU's RPI if they win the Pac12 Tourney... they get an auto bid. Plus, winning the regular season and being in at least the Semis they are in the field of 64. Arizona is in period. I think Chip Hale knows there is not way in heck Arizona is hosting a regional even going 4-0. So, why not set up his staff for this and the Regional?! UW winning tonight would be... well, not going to happen after getting demolished by Cal. If I'm coaching Arizona I'm winning tonight, even if I have to give my #1 or #2 some short "pen" work live. I then go "staff" vs Cal... not an intentional throwing of a game. But as the wild card Arizona would feel great vs any of the Semi matchups... Stanford or the winner of Pool C as they can't play Cal in a Semi. I then can set up my staff for the postseason as I'm not worrying about trying to host. If Arizona goes 4-0, they could wind up about 17th in RPI with a Pac-12 Regular Season and Tournament Championship. They will have passed problematic teams in front of the like Dallas Baptist, San Diego, Irvine, and Louisiana Tech. And they will have passed the most problematic team in front of them, Oregon State. If they get a little help, they could have an RPI of 16 and would just about be a shoe-in to host. I will also add that I am basing my calcs on Oregon State's numbers, because I know them better, but it could be that Arizona could expect even more of an RPI jump, because they played fewer games than Oregon State, so wins and losses effect the Wildcats' RPI more than the Beavs' RPI. Just to try and illustrate it further, Santa Barbara is further ahead of Oregon State at 11 than Oregon State is ahead of Arizona at 29. That is all to say that I think that Arizona has the same mindset as Oregon State, to win the rest, but with different goals: Arizona is looking to host a Tucson Regional, and Oregon State is trying to earn a top eight seed. And I will finish with my belief that Arizona is more likely to host a Tucson Regional than Oregon State is to become a top eight seed. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 22, 2024 16:54:57 GMT -8
Anybody else think this tourney format is goofy? It’s like Rubiks Cube if you don’t see it on paper! It's the Tournament that the ACC uses, only with three fewer teams. The Pac-12 then has the wildcard, as a result. In the ACC Tournament, Oregon State would already be eliminated. It is kind of a cool format, because it is not as punishing on pitchers, like the Big 12 Tournament or even the SEC Tournament, and it is not single elimination (for the top six teams). Plus, it still produces a very straightforward final four format. Playing in Scottsdale is still stupid, though. |
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Post by lefty on May 22, 2024 16:58:54 GMT -8
So by that thinking we are the wildcard team "if" we win? I remember them saying that all AZ had to do was win one game and they were in the semi's.
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