beav74
Freshman
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Grad Year: OSU 1974
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Post by beav74 on May 19, 2024 7:17:34 GMT -8
Losing Pitcher- Rich Gorman Who's that? Lost what game? 🙄 Clarification: Rich Dorman. |
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mb
Freshman
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Post by mb on May 19, 2024 7:26:51 GMT -8
Got pulled is a BAD IDEA!!!! He did well tonight with only 66 pc. There is a weak bullpen and I can’t trust bullpen. Look what happened to bullpen!! When will Dorman and Canham figure out ?? Pitch count was never the issue, its exposure to the batters. Segura can't go long, and we've seen this season how lineups just square up on his pitches after one time through. Recently he's been able to get through the lineup twice without too much trouble, but he's still not ready to go three times through. Segura threw 14 pitches in the bottom of the 5th for a total of 66. The first hitter grounded out on a tremendous play by Trosky; the next batter struck out swinging and the third struck out looking. So, for whatever reason, in the 6th inning, our pitching coach thinks he's going to get hammered? I think anyone whom has any interest in baseball would agree, unless there are unknown circumstances that would prevent it, you give the kid at least another inning, with a short leash. |
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Post by grovestbeav on May 19, 2024 7:57:59 GMT -8
Just wish we wouldnt have brought Mundt in during a blowout in Game 1.
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Post by beavs6 on May 19, 2024 8:47:52 GMT -8
Just wish we wouldnt have brought Mundt in during a blowout in Game 1. No. The Mundt closing game 1 was a good call. IMO |
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Post by grackle on May 19, 2024 8:51:52 GMT -8
I was against the Canham hire to begin with and remain firmly convinced that his management style is a bad match for the College game. The bonehead Canham-Dorman decision to pull Segura and replace him with a shaky reliever was a great example of over-management and how it can cost you important games.
Mitch just isn't Omaha ready and likely will never be.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 19, 2024 9:13:11 GMT -8
Bottom Line is we lost the game because we don't have a lockdown dependable closer this year. Our offense was good enough to give us a 1-run lead going to the bottom of the 9th on the road against the conference leader throwing their ace. The offense did its job. Our closer faced 3 batters and failed to record an out---HBP--inexcusable---walk---inexcusable---double clearing the bases---game over. Last years closer Ryan Brown would have put this game away in the win column for us. I have little confidence in us getting to Omaha this year without a good closer. Holmes went HPB, strikeout, walk in the 9th. Inexcusable with a one-run lead to put two guys on without making them hit the ball. I don't blame Mundt. At least he made the guy who beat us hit the ball. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on May 19, 2024 9:18:43 GMT -8
Bottom Line is we lost the game because we don't have a lockdown dependable closer this year. Our offense was good enough to give us a 1-run lead going to the bottom of the 9th on the road against the conference leader throwing their ace. The offense did its job. Our closer faced 3 batters and failed to record an out---HBP--inexcusable---walk---inexcusable---double clearing the bases---game over. Last years closer Ryan Brown would have put this game away in the win column for us. I have little confidence in us getting to Omaha this year without a good closer. Holmes went HPB, strikeout, walk in the 9th. Inexcusable with a one-run lead to put two guys on without making them hit the ball. I don't blame Mundt. At least he made the guy who beat us hit the ball. And that was the only ball Arizona hit hard all game. Most of their hits were either infield hits or ones that just happened to be hit where OSU players weren't. Arizona wasn't exactly hitting the ball hard all game. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on May 19, 2024 9:22:36 GMT -8
Bottom Line is we lost the game because we don't have a lockdown dependable closer this year. Our offense was good enough to give us a 1-run lead going to the bottom of the 9th on the road against the conference leader throwing their ace. The offense did its job. Our closer faced 3 batters and failed to record an out---HBP--inexcusable---walk---inexcusable---double clearing the bases---game over. Last years closer Ryan Brown would have put this game away in the win column for us. I have little confidence in us getting to Omaha this year without a good closer. Um, Holmes did get an out. He struck out the 2nd batter. 2) He didn't give up the double, Mundt did. |
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Post by ricke71 on May 19, 2024 9:39:47 GMT -8
I was against the Canham hire to begin with and remain firmly convinced that his management style is a bad match for the College game. The bonehead Canham-Dorman decision to pull Segura and replace him with a shaky reliever was a great example of over-management and how it can cost you important games. Mitch just isn't Omaha ready and likely will never be. I suppose that John Savage (> than 10 years since an Omaha appearance) should be considered a bad match for the inevitably evolving landscape of College Baseball? And then there's that darn Dave ('what-have-you-done-for me-recently') Esquer: 8th place in the 6th ranked conference in the nation? He's obviously a mere shadow of what he was as recently as a year ago. After his first 10 seasons as OSU Head Coach, Pat Casey had amassed a PAC-12 record of 115-131. Then! Omaha 3 years glorious season in a row. In 2024, having a Mitch Canham recruited and coached squad ranked in the Top 10 through to the end of the regular season, does not correspond too well with "his management style is a bad match for the College game". Especially in an era of SEC/ACC dominance. Which West / West Coast teams can match what the Beavs have done this season? UCSB...U. Arizona...UC Irvine - they might be in that discussion. Then again OSU is 8-2 in the month of May and very recently outscored UA in two consecutive games in Tucson, 25-3. |
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Post by richard44 on May 19, 2024 9:43:41 GMT -8
I was against the Canham hire to begin with and remain firmly convinced that his management style is a bad match for the College game. The bonehead Canham-Dorman decision to pull Segura and replace him with a shaky reliever was a great example of over-management and how it can cost you important games. Mitch just isn't Omaha ready and likely will never be. A little harsh for a coach and coaching staff who make the postseason every single year and whose team will host again in the postseason. They repeatedly bring in top 25 recruiting classes, and have evolved our program to the “new aged” baseball using data and analytics. They have developed multiple first round picks in Hjerpe, Melton and Bazanna, while also developed lower level recruits into stars like McDowell, Forester, Meckler, and Boyd. Let’s see how these Beavs finish this year. They are still very capable of making an Omaha run. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 19, 2024 11:24:59 GMT -8
I will post here, because it still annoys me.
2-6 in one-run games in Pac-12 play. Oregon State has to go at least 4-4 in those games. Had they, the Beavs are 21-8 and 43-11 overall, and Oregon State top eight in RPI and just about a shoe-in to be a top eight seed.
It has been 31 years, since there has been a team less clutch than this team.
Something cost this team two wins. I am hoping that it was a random aberration, and we see a regression of at least to the mean moving forward.
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Post by 56chevy on May 19, 2024 11:33:34 GMT -8
I was against the Canham hire to begin with and remain firmly convinced that his management style is a bad match for the College game. The bonehead Canham-Dorman decision to pull Segura and replace him with a shaky reliever was a great example of over-management and how it can cost you important games. Mitch just isn't Omaha ready and likely will never be. Seriously? |
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Post by messi on May 19, 2024 11:39:55 GMT -8
Pitch count was never the issue, its exposure to the batters. Segura can't go long, and we've seen this season how lineups just square up on his pitches after one time through. Recently he's been able to get through the lineup twice without too much trouble, but he's still not ready to go three times through. Segura threw 14 pitches in the bottom of the 5th for a total of 66. The first hitter grounded out on a tremendous play by Trosky; the next batter struck out swinging and the third struck out looking. So, for whatever reason, in the 6th inning, our pitching coach thinks he's going to get hammered? I think anyone whom has any interest in baseball would agree, unless there are unknown circumstances that would prevent it, you give the kid at least another inning, with a short leash.
The leash would have been so short where when one batter got on, then he should be pulled. Regardless of how many outs there are.
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Post by rgeorge on May 19, 2024 11:57:02 GMT -8
I was against the Canham hire to begin with and remain firmly convinced that his management style is a bad match for the College game. The bonehead Canham-Dorman decision to pull Segura and replace him with a shaky reliever was a great example of over-management and how it can cost you important games. Mitch just isn't Omaha ready and likely will never be. I suppose that John Savage (> than 10 years since an Omaha appearance) should be considered a bad match for the inevitably evolving landscape of College Baseball? First, comparing Savage and Canham at this point of their careers is lunacy. It is not about what could be, it is right now at this point in time. At this point MC can't hold a candle to what Savage had built/done. One rebuilt a program into a National Champion, has won almost 750 games, has a 46-27 record in post season play. The other inherited a National championship caliber program, has no CWS appearances and a 9-7 postseason record. Second, what does your mention have to do with "style"... since one has been a college coach basically his entire career while the other has been in the college game as a coach (of any type) for 3 seasons, 14 games?And then there's that darn Dave ('what-have-you-done-for me-recently') Esquer: 8th place in the 6th ranked conference in the nation? He's obviously a mere shadow of what he was as recently as a year ago. Again... "style" what does a W/L record relate to style of the college game. Since again Esquer has been in the college game since 1991. After his first 10 seasons as OSU Head Coach, Pat Casey had amassed a PAC-12 record of 115-131. Then! Omaha 3 years glorious season in a row. Here we go again... long time college coach, knows the ins and outs of the college game and you use PC as some comparison to MC?! Really?In 2024, having a Mitch Canham recruited (when MC took over do you think recruiting to this program was that tough?) and coached squad ranked in the Top 10 through to the end of the regular season, does not correspond too well with "his management style is a bad match for the College game". Especially in an era of SEC/ACC dominance. W/L record is not all there is... MC won games this season vs an RPI average over 120. OSU is below average in 1-run games. His teams have shown a lot of inconsistency. Also, rankings are an opinion poll, mean really nothing except to fans, and also do not necessarily correspond to "style relating to the college game". The overall experience in "use" of players, decision making processes, and the results in key close games because of those things are "style". Experience in the college game gives a coach said "style". MC is not there yet... and not even close to the guys you want to throw out as some type of proof. Which West / West Coast teams can match what the Beavs have done this season? UCSB...U. Arizona...UC Irvine - they might be in that discussion. Then again OSU is 8-2 in the month of May and very recently outscored UA in two consecutive games in Tucson, 25-3. Again... more "apples to oranges"... MC is a college newbie when it comes to overall coaching college ball and the decisions/processes. Every year he will gain knowledge and get better, but comparing him to men who "lived" most of the adult lives in the college game... nope!First, I do not want to get into the MC qualifications and "style". I too thought there were better coaching hires with college experience and success that OSU could have gone after, but that is a mute point. He's OSU's coach and certainly one can nitpick, but MC is in a learning curve and seems to be getting better and better in many areas. The one thing about the program that has, IMHO, lead to inconsistent play and fan frustration is the discipline level. PC and Bailey were far, far more old school. From appearance to arse chewings the level of player discipline is not the same. I see MC as more the "modern" players' coach?! I am sort of surprised and disappointed as he grew up and became the player he was under the more disciplined style. He needed to make the program "his", but I still am of the belief the more "old school" approach lead to more consistent play, and better all-around play.... meaning more small ball mixed in as everyone should be able to bunt and hit behind a runner, etc. But, if folks want to go after a guys opinion at least do it with "apples to apples" information. |
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