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Post by rgeorge on May 18, 2024 13:57:37 GMT -8
"again" with the made up #s, BS, and immature vitriol. Let's just take a quick glance. - "Top 20"... in the portal, not overall in the country! - "top returning post... top 4 forward"... says? - ND... "same players"... 🤣 you'd think such a knowledgeable wbb fan would know ND was down to (6) players. That 4-5 key players will be back... Olivia Miles, one of the country's best point guards before her knee injury... Cassandre Prosper and Emma Risch were two highly regarded freshmen who combined to play in 12 games last season... added a top-five recruit in Long Island's 6-4 Kateryna Koval... Kylee Watson could also be fully recovered from her knee. So... UConn returns several starters from injury, key transfer and #1 frosh... SC... JuJu + key returners, huge portal get (not counting Timea), and the #1 recruiting class... SCar... one key loss, huge talent returning, #2 recruiting class... UCLA... most stars return + Leger-Walker... Texas... LSU... NC St... Baylor... etc etc etc "again" with the made up #s, BS, and immature vitriol. Lets take a look at facts and not babblings. So you admit that they were top 20 in the portal, good. No, the entire starting 5 were not top 20 in the entire country, and that has never happened in the history of college basketball men or women's, so absurd statement. Top returning post- The top posts on the various all american lineups are Cardoso, Brink, Kitley, Reese and Beers. All the others graduated so in everyone else's minds except yours Beers is now the top returning post. In the three out of the four polls about returning top players by position Gardiner was listed as one of the top 1-4 forwards. But you go ahead and plant your feet and insist that the one that doesn't rate her one of the top four is the correct one. Because, as you know so well, you MUST put down Beav players. The same players was referring to the Beav's, not ND. But since you've decided that ND's blue blood would destroy the Beav's instead of gush all over the court AGAIN. ND's post is gone, to be replaced by Watson or Koval. So which one do you think is going to hang with Beers so I know which one to laugh about for your absurdity. Miles is a baller, but two PG's at the same time? It was a disaster for the Ducks, seems like two ball dominant types just might bang heads. ND won a national championship with 6 players, so the idea that this swarm of returning players and frosh is going to make a huge diff is ridiculous. Who are they going to replace, Citron or Hidalgo? UConn- This is the same situation they've had for the past four years. And again a frosh is supposed to handle Beers? SC- Juju, really? OSU made her look like a joke. 6/32 Juju? Without Beers the Beav's barely lost. Kiki on the face of it seems like a huge boost, but one big season does not a player make. And how is she going to work out with Marshall? Very similar builds and playing styles. Just one offensive and the other defensive oriented. SCar- Yeah, one key loss. The all-american post that Beers clearly outplayed. But I'm sure Cardoso's replacement will be FAR better. UCLA- Hm, everyone back huh? Except someone, who was it? Oh yeah, their all pac-12 PG. But otherwise no real losses (this is me rolling my eyes). And what is it with you going on and on about Froshies? You've waxed poetic about how you can't count on them to do anything the first year, but all of a sudden you decided that they would trash the Beav's next year? Ohhh, number one recruiting class in the country, Beav's wouldn't stand a chance. 🤣🤣❄️
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Post by sparty on May 19, 2024 4:55:47 GMT -8
Now we know the basic reason why as most here suspected. Can't change it now so it is time to move forward.
“They were recruited by Power Five schools,” Rueck said. “Now they are being asked to play in a conference in which they didn’t sign up for, which is a mid-major compared to a major. They have every right to reassess that. "
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 20, 2024 1:26:44 GMT -8
Now we know the basic reason why as most here suspected. Can't change it now so it is time to move forward. “They were recruited by Power Five schools,” Rueck said. “Now they are being asked to play in a conference in which they didn’t sign up for, which is a mid-major compared to a major. They have every right to reassess that. " I find it interesting that earlier in the article, SR is quoted as saying "The reality is, though, that our circumstance changed. This isn’t what these athletes and their parents signed up for. It’s fair for them to reassess their situation and make a choice.” For those highly rated in the transfer portal, I wonder how much guidance they received to "take the money and run" - note that a parent usually has the best interests of the child in their hearts, so perhaps not bad advice.....I just find his comment interesting. Go Beavers!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 20, 2024 9:03:32 GMT -8
Now we know the basic reason why as most here suspected. Can't change it now so it is time to move forward. “They were recruited by Power Five schools,” Rueck said. “Now they are being asked to play in a conference in which they didn’t sign up for, which is a mid-major compared to a major. They have every right to reassess that. " I find it interesting that earlier in the article, SR is quoted as saying "The reality is, though, that our circumstance changed. This isn’t what these athletes and their parents signed up for. It’s fair for them to reassess their situation and make a choice.” For those highly rated in the transfer portal, I wonder how much guidance they received to "take the money and run" - note that a parent usually has the best interests of the child in their hearts, so perhaps not bad advice.....I just find his comment interesting. Go Beavers! From what I have heard, there was one parent in particular who was very critical of Rueck's coaching decisions and supposedly was a royal PITA. The daughter is no longer at OSU. Again, the "it's not what they signed up for" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you're going to bail when "things you didn't sign up for" happen, don't every get married or have children. Because "things you didn't sign up for" happen almost daily in marriage and child-rearing. As always, other's mileage may vary.
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2024 11:19:58 GMT -8
I find it interesting that earlier in the article, SR is quoted as saying "The reality is, though, that our circumstance changed. This isn’t what these athletes and their parents signed up for. It’s fair for them to reassess their situation and make a choice.” For those highly rated in the transfer portal, I wonder how much guidance they received to "take the money and run" - note that a parent usually has the best interests of the child in their hearts, so perhaps not bad advice.....I just find his comment interesting. Go Beavers! From what I have heard, there was one parent in particular who was very critical of Rueck's coaching decisions and supposedly was a royal PITA. The daughter is no longer at OSU. Again, the "it's not what they signed up for" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you're going to bail when "things you didn't sign up for" happen, don't every get married or have children. Because "things you didn't sign up for" happen almost daily in marriage and child-rearing. As always, other's mileage may vary. I have no idea if we are speaking to the same parent, but he was a royal arse in Vegas. He spoke loud enough to make sure others near him in the concourse and casino areas heard him and basically touted OSU as his daughter's team. From other parent's comments he is very controlling and daughter thinks she has very little choice in her own decisions. I would have to believe SR was unhappy the "talent" left, but not to that he had to deal with "family" for another season. I've had that conversation more than once over my career. A mentor once told me, "... you can deal with them once, or deal with them the entire season. Your choice."
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Post by TheGlove on May 20, 2024 11:33:37 GMT -8
From what I have heard, there was one parent in particular who was very critical of Rueck's coaching decisions and supposedly was a royal PITA. The daughter is no longer at OSU. Again, the "it's not what they signed up for" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you're going to bail when "things you didn't sign up for" happen, don't every get married or have children. Because "things you didn't sign up for" happen almost daily in marriage and child-rearing. As always, other's mileage may vary. I have no idea if we are speaking to the same parent, but he was a royal arse in Vegas. He spoke loud enough to make sure others near him in the concourse and casino areas heard him and basically touted OSU as his daughter's team. From other parent's comments he is very controlling and daughter thinks she has very little choice in her own decisions. I would have to believe SR was unhappy the "talent" left, but not to that he had to deal with "family" for another season. I've had that conversation more than once over my career. A mentor once told me, "... you can deal with them once, or deal with them the entire season. Your choice." Trying to read the tea leaves in these posts plus some others. I’m guessing you and Henry are referring to Donovyn Hunter. Question: if she’s gone, why the mystery? Just name names.
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Post by 93beav on May 20, 2024 11:43:26 GMT -8
I have no idea if we are speaking to the same parent, but he was a royal arse in Vegas. He spoke loud enough to make sure others near him in the concourse and casino areas heard him and basically touted OSU as his daughter's team. From other parent's comments he is very controlling and daughter thinks she has very little choice in her own decisions. I would have to believe SR was unhappy the "talent" left, but not to that he had to deal with "family" for another season. I've had that conversation more than once over my career. A mentor once told me, "... you can deal with them once, or deal with them the entire season. Your choice." Trying to read the tea leaves in these posts plus some others. I’m guessing you and Henry are referring to Donovyn Hunter. Question: if she’s gone, why the mystery? Just name names. Beers
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2024 11:56:29 GMT -8
I have no idea if we are speaking to the same parent, but he was a royal arse in Vegas. He spoke loud enough to make sure others near him in the concourse and casino areas heard him and basically touted OSU as his daughter's team. From other parent's comments he is very controlling and daughter thinks she has very little choice in her own decisions. I would have to believe SR was unhappy the "talent" left, but not to that he had to deal with "family" for another season. I've had that conversation more than once over my career. A mentor once told me, "... you can deal with them once, or deal with them the entire season. Your choice." Trying to read the tea leaves in these posts plus some others. I’m guessing you and Henry are referring to Donovyn Hunter. Question: if she’s gone, why the mystery? Just name names. For one reason... it isn't the kid/player's issue and really no need to drag names out here anyway. Second, although personally witnessed "some" of these words, the rest are hearsay and my personal interpretation of watching some parents over the course of the season. I personally only witnessed two sets of parents that were "negative", but only one parent that was that way numerous times. But, if we don't use/publish our own names to posts here, I see no need to post names of players/parents in a negative light when it is not public fact. As mentioned here... other's mileage may vary.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 20, 2024 13:18:41 GMT -8
From what I have heard, there was one parent in particular who was very critical of Rueck's coaching decisions and supposedly was a royal PITA. The daughter is no longer at OSU. Again, the "it's not what they signed up for" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you're going to bail when "things you didn't sign up for" happen, don't every get married or have children. Because "things you didn't sign up for" happen almost daily in marriage and child-rearing. As always, other's mileage may vary. I have no idea if we are speaking to the same parent, but he was a royal arse in Vegas. He spoke loud enough to make sure others near him in the concourse and casino areas heard him and basically touted OSU as his daughter's team. From other parent's comments he is very controlling and daughter thinks she has very little choice in her own decisions. I would have to believe SR was unhappy the "talent" left, but not to that he had to deal with "family" for another season. I've had that conversation more than once over my career. A mentor once told me, "... you can deal with them once, or deal with them the entire season. Your choice." We aren't. So that only doubled the trouble for Scott.
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Post by grayman on May 20, 2024 13:42:14 GMT -8
I know parents can be an issue for coaches, particularly in youth sports through high school. I don't doubt that there were some problem parents of some players from last season. But I don't know that it's always completely without reason. Maybe there was some information about Rueck that got back to the parents that was the root of this. Certain perceptions often cloud an overall view of a coach. So maybe there are fragments of truth from both points of view. While I don't think Rueck is the most difficult coach to deal with the country, I seriously doubt that every single player to play under him at OSU has a glowing perception of him as a coach.
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Post by avidbeaver on May 20, 2024 17:37:33 GMT -8
I know parents can be an issue for coaches, particularly in youth sports through high school. I don't doubt that there were some problem parents of some players from last season. But I don't know that it's always completely without reason. Maybe there was some information about Rueck that got back to the parents that was the root of this. Certain perceptions often cloud an overall view of a coach. So maybe there are fragments of truth from both points of view. While I don't think Rueck is the most difficult coach to deal with the country, I seriously doubt that every single player to play under him at OSU has a glowing perception of him as a coach. A coach is never going make everyone on the team happy. The parents can be a real pain. Every parent thinks their daughter should be playing all of the time. I think it is real hard to come down on Rueck considering they made it to the elite eight. Rueck has his ways to do things and has been successful doing it his way. Whether or not everyone agrees the way he coaches. Some parents always think there is a better way to do things and it usually involves their child. All of this stuff starts when they kids are young. You read about stories all the time of unruly parents at games.
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Post by grayman on May 20, 2024 17:50:17 GMT -8
I know parents can be an issue for coaches, particularly in youth sports through high school. I don't doubt that there were some problem parents of some players from last season. But I don't know that it's always completely without reason. Maybe there was some information about Rueck that got back to the parents that was the root of this. Certain perceptions often cloud an overall view of a coach. So maybe there are fragments of truth from both points of view. While I don't think Rueck is the most difficult coach to deal with the country, I seriously doubt that every single player to play under him at OSU has a glowing perception of him as a coach. A coach is never going make everyone on the team happy. The parents can be a real pain. Every parent thinks their daughter should be playing all of the time. I think it is real hard to come down on Rueck considering they made it to the elite eight. Rueck has his ways to do things and has been successful doing it his way. Whether or not everyone agrees the way he coaches. Some parents always think there is a better way to do things and it usually involves their child. All of this stuff starts when they kids are young. You read about stories all the time of unruly parents at games. I agree. I just think that the parents are not automatically completely wrong in these situations. They certainly weren't wrong about LaVonda Wagner. And no, I'm not implying that Rueck is at a similar level. Just making a point. The parents and players were right about Wagner. I'm sure there have been plenty of similar situations with coaches in many different sports. As far as playing time, if it was Beers as mentioned by somebody earlier in the thread, then seems to me she got plenty of playing time. Not to mention she was pretty much considered a star level player nationally by the end of the season. I have no idea about the parents and situation of Beers or Hunter, who also seems to have been treated pretty well as far as playing time. I do know that eight players left. I have said multiple times that I believe the move to the WCC is the major reason but I do think there's a chance that something else was going on as well. You had players supposedly leaving because their friends left only for seven to land in seven different schools with Dom still deciding. And the two players that truly didn't get playing time (Adlee and Martha) left even though they undoubtedly would have gotten more time had they stayed.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 20, 2024 20:23:52 GMT -8
Blacklock went home after sitting out nine games completely, shooting 37% overall and only 31% from 3, which was supposed to be her forte. Martha hardly played, then went to a bad program in a league worse than the WCC. When all is said and done, I'm not sure either would have seen (or merited) appreciably more playing time next season.
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Post by grayman on May 20, 2024 20:49:04 GMT -8
Blacklock went home after sitting out nine games completely, shooting 37% overall and only 31% from 3, which was supposed to be her forte. Martha hardly played, then went to a bad program in a league worse than the WCC. When all is said and done, I'm not sure either would have seen (or merited) appreciably more playing time next season. Yeah, I suppose Martha probably wants a shot to start, not just more minutes. Blacklock needed playing time to produce and Rueck refused to give it to her. She played quite a bit in the final six games in 2022-23 and scored 12, 6, 14, 22, 15 and 12. Yeah, there was a logjam in the backcourt last season but Rueck played Marotte consistently (he did finally back off on her court time) despite getting almost nothing out of her on the offensive end. My guess is that Blacklock will thrive at Texas Tech. I doubt that she will make an Elite Eight, though.
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