beav74
Freshman
Posts: 733
Grad Year: OSU 1974
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Post by beav74 on May 16, 2024 20:30:38 GMT -8
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Post by 996648 on May 16, 2024 21:31:41 GMT -8
Finally some actual information.
Thanks for posting this link.
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Post by grayman on May 16, 2024 21:43:24 GMT -8
It's a good read even if it didn't answer too many questions. The WCC was the driving reason for the exodus. He didn't really know ahead of time that it would go down like it did, etc. It does give some hope that Dom will stay. As I thought, it looks like he's looking at a few foreign players.
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Post by gnawitall on May 17, 2024 3:16:34 GMT -8
After reading I found Reuck to be extremely political in his answers; almost a fall guy as well. I still think something's rotten in Denmark. I've been wrong before
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Post by algernon14 on May 17, 2024 12:49:28 GMT -8
Did winning matter to them?
“It appears with this group that winning mattered a lot,” Rueck offered.
Last season...... before they had a chance to bail. TCU, Texas Tech, Miami, Oklahoma? Does that sound like "Winning matters alot?" I understand Rueck has to be political, but it is clear that winning next year had little or nothing to do with the 8 players bailing, you could argue the WCC had an impact but that is offset by a projected tough non-conference schedule and a likely return to a deep tournament run, Final Four or maybe a National Championship, so that reason rings hollow, NIL is the real driver here and in the future.....me, me, me.
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Post by grayman on May 17, 2024 16:06:03 GMT -8
Did winning matter to them? “It appears with this group that winning mattered a lot,” Rueck offered. Last season...... before they had a chance to bail. TCU, Texas Tech, Miami, Oklahoma? Does that sound like "Winning matters alot?" I understand Rueck has to be political, but it is clear that winning next year had little or nothing to do with the 8 players bailing, you could argue the WCC had an impact but that is offset by a projected tough non-conference schedule and a likely return to a deep tournament run, Final Four or maybe a National Championship, so that reason rings hollow, NIL is the real driver here and in the future.....me, me, me. If Rueck says it was the end of the Pac-12 (and therefore the move to the WCC) and NIL didn't have much to do with it, I believe him. No reason for him to hide the truth here. And, TBH, going from the Pac-12 to the WCC seems pretty obvious as the main reason. These players did not come to OSU to play in the WCC. It's as simple as that. It clearly outweighed wanting to stay together as a team (IMO, TVO was long gone anyway). Also, it looks like OSU NIL groups had deals for the players. I doubt that half the players got better offers.
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Post by grayman on May 17, 2024 16:15:13 GMT -8
If Rueck himself contributed in part to the eight players leaving, he certainly would not tell any reporters. If that is the case he very well might not be aware of it.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 17, 2024 19:10:43 GMT -8
Did winning matter to them? “It appears with this group that winning mattered a lot,” Rueck offered. Last season...... before they had a chance to bail. TCU, Texas Tech, Miami, Oklahoma? Does that sound like "Winning matters alot?" I understand Rueck has to be political, but it is clear that winning next year had little or nothing to do with the 8 players bailing, you could argue the WCC had an impact but that is offset by a projected tough non-conference schedule and a likely return to a deep tournament run, Final Four or maybe a National Championship, so that reason rings hollow, NIL is the real driver here and in the future.....me, me, me. [b Acting like if they stayed, we were guaranteed a Final Four or National Championship run makes me laugh. They had a great run, but it is extremely difficult to even make it to the Elite 8 and we still would have been below the talent level of the blue blood top 4-5 teams. They added talent and even if everyone stayed, a deeper run than this year was extremely unlikely. Especially playing in a weak conference that would not prepare you for the tougher teams in the tournament.
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Post by grayman on May 17, 2024 19:34:14 GMT -8
I don't think it was a fluke that they became good enough to make the Elite Eight run. The talent was there. Was it enough to do better next season? Probably not. Like Eggers' story said, Rueck probably would have tried to bring in another big, which I agree was needed. So if everyone stayed and improved and Rueck hit on one or two additions, then maybe they get to the Final Four. I don't think getting back to the Elite Eight was crazy talk. The program has been there before. I believe the Sweet 16 was pretty much the floor consistently for the good OSU teams under Rueck. But now the Sweet 16 is probably the ceiling even if Rueck lands some good recruits in the coming weeks-months
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Post by algernon14 on May 17, 2024 19:57:00 GMT -8
I’ll trust the opinion of 3-time National Champion Dawn Staley, over some guy on a fan board, but glad I made you laugh, cheers!
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Post by rgeorge on May 17, 2024 20:18:12 GMT -8
I’ll trust the opinion of 3-time National Champion Dawn Staley, over some guy on a fan board, but glad I made you laugh, cheers! It's called "coach speak"... praising opponents. Dawn Staley could care less about OSU and certainly wasn't making a prediction for next season. Now you've made a couple people laugh!
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Post by beaveragain on May 17, 2024 20:33:17 GMT -8
Did winning matter to them? “It appears with this group that winning mattered a lot,” Rueck offered. Last season...... before they had a chance to bail. TCU, Texas Tech, Miami, Oklahoma? Does that sound like "Winning matters alot?" I understand Rueck has to be political, but it is clear that winning next year had little or nothing to do with the 8 players bailing, you could argue the WCC had an impact but that is offset by a projected tough non-conference schedule and a likely return to a deep tournament run, Final Four or maybe a National Championship, so that reason rings hollow, NIL is the real driver here and in the future.....me, me, me. [b Acting like if they stayed, we were guaranteed a Final Four or National Championship run makes me laugh. They had a great run, but it is extremely difficult to even make it to the Elite 8 and we still would have been below the talent level of the blue blood top 4-5 teams. They added talent and even if everyone stayed, a deeper run than this year was extremely unlikely. Especially playing in a weak conference that would not prepare you for the tougher teams in the tournament. Nobody is guaranteed squat in the upcoming season. Injuries etc can take out any team. But the four Beav starters in the portal were listed as in the top 20 in the country. Beers is the top returning post in the country. Gardiner is one of the top 4 forwards. But yeah, they wouldn't have had the talent next season 🤣. Not at the level of the top 4 teams? Notre Dame is one of the top four teams for next season. Huh, who did the Beav's beat with the exact same players that would be beating them next year?? Oh yeah, US. But you go along with your conviction that all Beav teams are the worst in the universe.
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Post by rgeorge on May 17, 2024 21:09:14 GMT -8
"again" with the made up #s, BS, and immature vitriol.
Let's just take a quick glance.
- "Top 20"... in the portal, not overall in the country!
- "top returning post... top 4 forward"... says?
- ND... "same players"... 🤣 you'd think such a knowledgeable wbb fan would know ND was down to (6) players. That 4-5 key players will be back... Olivia Miles, one of the country's best point guards before her knee injury... Cassandre Prosper and Emma Risch were two highly regarded freshmen who combined to play in 12 games last season... added a top-five recruit in Long Island's 6-4 Kateryna Koval... Kylee Watson could also be fully recovered from her knee.
So... UConn returns several starters from injury, key transfer and #1 frosh...
SC... JuJu + key returners, huge portal get (not counting Timea), and the #1 recruiting class...
SCar... one key loss, huge talent returning, #2 recruiting class...
UCLA... most stars return + Leger-Walker... Texas... LSU... NC St... Baylor... etc etc etc
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Post by beaveragain on May 18, 2024 10:38:11 GMT -8
"again" with the made up #s, BS, and immature vitriol. Let's just take a quick glance. - "Top 20"... in the portal, not overall in the country! - "top returning post... top 4 forward"... says? - ND... "same players"... 🤣 you'd think such a knowledgeable wbb fan would know ND was down to (6) players. That 4-5 key players will be back... Olivia Miles, one of the country's best point guards before her knee injury... Cassandre Prosper and Emma Risch were two highly regarded freshmen who combined to play in 12 games last season... added a top-five recruit in Long Island's 6-4 Kateryna Koval... Kylee Watson could also be fully recovered from her knee. So... UConn returns several starters from injury, key transfer and #1 frosh... SC... JuJu + key returners, huge portal get (not counting Timea), and the #1 recruiting class... SCar... one key loss, huge talent returning, #2 recruiting class... UCLA... most stars return + Leger-Walker... Texas... LSU... NC St... Baylor... etc etc etc "again" with the made up #s, BS, and immature vitriol. Lets take a look at facts and not babblings. So you admit that they were top 20 in the portal, good. No, the entire starting 5 were not top 20 in the entire country, and that has never happened in the history of college basketball men or women's, so absurd statement. Top returning post- The top posts on the various all american lineups are Cardoso, Brink, Kitley, Reese and Beers. All the others graduated so in everyone else's minds except yours Beers is now the top returning post. In the three out of the four polls about returning top players by position Gardiner was listed as one of the top 1-4 forwards. But you go ahead and plant your feet and insist that the one that doesn't rate her one of the top four is the correct one. Because, as you know so well, you MUST put down Beav players. The same players was referring to the Beav's, not ND. But since you've decided that ND's blue blood would destroy the Beav's instead of gush all over the court AGAIN. ND's post is gone, to be replaced by Watson or Koval. So which one do you think is going to hang with Beers so I know which one to laugh about for your absurdity. Miles is a baller, but two PG's at the same time? It was a disaster for the Ducks, seems like two ball dominant types just might bang heads. ND won a national championship with 6 players, so the idea that this swarm of returning players and frosh is going to make a huge diff is ridiculous. Who are they going to replace, Citron or Hidalgo? UConn- This is the same situation they've had for the past four years. And again a frosh is supposed to handle Beers? SC- Juju, really? OSU made her look like a joke. 6/32 Juju? Without Beers the Beav's barely lost. Kiki on the face of it seems like a huge boost, but one big season does not a player make. And how is she going to work out with Marshall? Very similar builds and playing styles. Just one offensive and the other defensive oriented. SCar- Yeah, one key loss. The all-american post that Beers clearly outplayed. But I'm sure Cardoso's replacement will be FAR better. UCLA- Hm, everyone back huh? Except someone, who was it? Oh yeah, their all pac-12 PG. But otherwise no real losses (this is me rolling my eyes). And what is it with you going on and on about Froshies? You've waxed poetic about how you can't count on them to do anything the first year, but all of a sudden you decided that they would trash the Beav's next year? Ohhh, number one recruiting class in the country, Beav's wouldn't stand a chance.
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Post by 411500 on May 18, 2024 12:42:27 GMT -8
I understand a fury in your words, but not the words...
GO BEAVS!!
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