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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 16, 2024 15:37:52 GMT -8
You'll be seeing a lot of that for a bit. It started getting common 20 years ago to delay kids start of school if they thought they could be athletic. Gives them an advantage for scholarships and stuff. The practice has been curtailed sharply in most places over the last 5 years. I have pointed out before that it can help get into a college. But it hurts to go pro. One of the reasons that Caraway is at Oregon State rather than swimming in money in the pros is that the pros do not like to draft older guys straight out of high school. It also hurts in basketball and football. Stupid helicopter parenting at its absolute dumbest. I do not like the practice at all, academics is far more important. That said a parent that is focused on getting their elementary kid to the pros sounds f%#*ing nuts lol |
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Post by BeaverG20 on May 16, 2024 15:37:59 GMT -8
He's already 20 this year, so he will be 21 before the MLB draft next year. He will be eligible. Not sure why he's that old as a true freshman. You'll be seeing a lot of that for a bit. It started getting common 20 years ago to delay kids start of school if they thought they could be athletic. Gives them an advantage for scholarships and stuff. The practice has been curtailed sharply in most places over the last 5 years. Meanwhile my kids will be 17 when they graduate... Lol. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 16, 2024 15:38:35 GMT -8
You'll be seeing a lot of that for a bit. It started getting common 20 years ago to delay kids start of school if they thought they could be athletic. Gives them an advantage for scholarships and stuff. The practice has been curtailed sharply in most places over the last 5 years. Meanwhile my kids will be 17 when they graduate... Lol. I was too, worked out great but I was also not a scholarship athlete lol |
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Post by BeaverG20 on May 16, 2024 15:44:55 GMT -8
Meanwhile my kids will be 17 when they graduate... Lol. I was too, worked out great but I was also not a scholarship athlete lol I get it, though. But they can always redshirt if needed. I have a friend in sports development that wants me to hold them back. I might, but it's hard. My daughter is the second youngest kid in her grade, and has maintained a 4.0 all year, and at 11 would be the starting 1B on the JV softball team for the high school. My son is also big for his age, getting great grades, and playing in the 10/11 year old baseball league at 8. At some point, it isn't morally right to hold them back so they can get a whole year bigger and smash smaller kids so mom and dad are proud. Just my opinion, I could be wrong..lol |
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Post by rgeorge on May 16, 2024 16:06:28 GMT -8
Everyone has their own "moral compass", but predicting athletic success based in simply holding a kid back in school is... well... at least lunacy.
The only reason in my mind, and it's especially relevant since 2020, is academic reasons. If your kids have missed key amounts of valuable instruction and have some issues in key areas... most certainly take that step.
With a state like Oregon eliminating testing (another topic), and some school districts softening grading practices GPA and cohort comparisons sometimes aren't enough. There is tons of evidence out there that "great" students aren't properly prepared. If a parent has any doubt (especially in some public districts) there are plenty of different informal testing options. Just as a 3.5-4.0 at one school doesn't equal that of another, a GPA can be very deceiving in terms of actual academic preparedness.
But, to simply advance a kid's athletics? Yeah... right. Besides, how many of you saw the kid who was "gifted" with size, speed, strength early get passed by. But, if you're over 50 parenting today is far far different. With some of my volunteer tutoring it's the parents that need the help!
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Post by ag87 on May 16, 2024 16:37:42 GMT -8
I have a funny (to me) anecdote. My health was not good as a kid and through high school. So when I graduated at 17 I was about 5'7 and 115 lbs. Playing competitive sports was not even on my radar. My health greatly improved and when I was 25, I was 5'11 and about 165. I was playing tennis a lot in the summer at the courts at Jesuit HS. After playing I watched maybe 15 minutes of a JV football game. I thought, "hey, if I was this size when I was in high school, I would have had fun playing football." Then a week or two later, the varsity walked by after a practice. Jesuit had a kid that took a scholarship to UCLA. I'm not sure but his name may have been McClave? He was a linebacker and tight end. He looked like he needed to shave twice a day. My thought after seeing him was something like, "there's no way on God's green earth I'd want to be on a football field with him."
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Post by beaverinsider211 on May 16, 2024 16:52:27 GMT -8
It’s a trend that will only get more prevalent. I do agree the biggest reason Caraway was pushed out of the 1st and 2nd round besides the asking price was his age. In most cases when you put up numbers like he did in high school especially in that league in Southern California you don’t make it to school. Draft eligible sophomores in this years draft include Cam Smith FSU, Dakota Jordan MIss. St., Malcolm Moore Stanford, Austin Overn USC, Anthony Silva TCU, etc. Caraway actually remind me a lot of Cam Smith from FSU. Albeit I think he’s better hitter.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 16, 2024 16:55:27 GMT -8
I have a funny (to me) anecdote. My health was not good as a kid and through high school. So when I graduated at 17 I was about 5'7 and 115 lbs. Playing competitive sports was not even on my radar. My health greatly improved and when I was 25, I was 5'11 and about 165. I was playing tennis a lot in the summer at the courts at Jesuit HS. After playing I watched maybe 15 minutes of a JV football game. I thought, "hey, if I was this size when I was in high school, I would have had fun playing football." Then a week or two later, the varsity walked by after a practice. Jesuit had a kid that took a scholarship to UCLA. I'm not sure but his name may have been McClave? He was a linebacker and tight end. He looked like he needed to shave twice a day. My thought after seeing him was something like, "there's no way on God's green earth I'd want to be on a football field with him." Andrew McClave? Andrew McClave graduated from Jesuit and played at UCLA from 1990-1993, lettering his final three years at linebacker. He was a GA on Mike Riley I's staff. Riley hired McClave to help coach the Chargers' defense under Banker in 2000 and 2001. The last that I heard McClave was the head coach at Crescent Valley. |
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Post by ag87 on May 16, 2024 17:02:20 GMT -8
I have a funny (to me) anecdote. My health was not good as a kid and through high school. So when I graduated at 17 I was about 5'7 and 115 lbs. Playing competitive sports was not even on my radar. My health greatly improved and when I was 25, I was 5'11 and about 165. I was playing tennis a lot in the summer at the courts at Jesuit HS. After playing I watched maybe 15 minutes of a JV football game. I thought, "hey, if I was this size when I was in high school, I would have had fun playing football." Then a week or two later, the varsity walked by after a practice. Jesuit had a kid that took a scholarship to UCLA. I'm not sure but his name may have been McClave? He was a linebacker and tight end. He looked like he needed to shave twice a day. My thought after seeing him was something like, "there's no way on God's green earth I'd want to be on a football field with him." Andrew McClave? Andrew McClave graduated from Jesuit and played at UCLA from 1990-1993, lettering his final three years at linebacker. He was a GA on Mike Riley I's staff. Riley hired McClave to help coach the Chargers' defense under Banker in 2000 and 2001. The last that I heard McClave was the head coach at Crescent Valley. I didn't know he had an OSU and Corvallis connection. But that would be the guy. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 16, 2024 17:40:14 GMT -8
I was too, worked out great but I was also not a scholarship athlete lol I get it, though. But they can always redshirt if needed. I have a friend in sports development that wants me to hold them back. I might, but it's hard. My daughter is the second youngest kid in her grade, and has maintained a 4.0 all year, and at 11 would be the starting 1B on the JV softball team for the high school. My son is also big for his age, getting great grades, and playing in the 10/11 year old baseball league at 8. At some point, it isn't morally right to hold them back so they can get a whole year bigger and smash smaller kids so mom and dad are proud. Just my opinion, I could be wrong..lol I think you are right on. If you hold a kid back in school, that doesn't need it, they are going to end up redoing material and.gwtting bored. Even a mid achiever in academics will drop interest much less a high achiever like your daughter. I skipped kindergarten so I was always the youngest in my class. Never regretted it a bit. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 16, 2024 17:46:45 GMT -8
Everyone has their own "moral compass", but predicting athletic success based in simply holding a kid back in school is... well... at least lunacy. The only reason in my mind, and it's especially relevant since 2020, is academic reasons. If your kids have missed key amounts of valuable instruction and have some issues in key areas... most certainly take that step. With a state like Oregon eliminating testing (another topic), and some school districts softening grading practices GPA and cohort comparisons sometimes aren't enough. There is tons of evidence out there that "great" students aren't properly prepared. If a parent has any doubt (especially in some public districts) there are plenty of different informal testing options. Just as a 3.5-4.0 at one school doesn't equal that of another, a GPA can be very deceiving in terms of actual academic preparedness. But, to simply advance a kid's athletics? Yeah... right. Besides, how many of you saw the kid who was "gifted" with size, speed, strength early get passed by. But, if you're over 50 parenting today is far far different. With some of my volunteer tutoring it's the parents that need the help! I coached little league a few years back and 4 ten year olds on my team had personal pitching coaches. I couldn’t roll my eyes enough at their parents. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 16, 2024 20:38:11 GMT -8
You'll be seeing a lot of that for a bit. It started getting common 20 years ago to delay kids start of school if they thought they could be athletic. Gives them an advantage for scholarships and stuff. The practice has been curtailed sharply in most places over the last 5 years. Meanwhile my kids will be 17 when they graduate... Lol. Same, with 2. For a while in college the swim trainers had to call home to get permission to give our daughter Advil! |
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Caraway
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Post by kersting13 on May 17, 2024 10:53:33 GMT -8
I've often wondered about parent's reasons for keeping kids back from starting school. In my time coaching youth sports, I've run across several kids with summer birthdays who have been held back, and similar amounts of others summer birthdays who have gone into school during their "expected" year.
I've never actually asked any of the parents of the "held back" kids WHY they held their kids back. If you're playing club baseball, it doesn't matter, because club teams use a 4/30 cutoff date for ages. If you're playing Little League and have playoff aspirations, they have an 8/31 cutoff, so the "held back" kids don't have that inherent advantage in LL. I assume that MOST parents don't necessarily hold kids back for sports purposes - though I'm sure there are some that do - but I think most do it for legitimate reasons like the kid was a pre-mature baby, so they figured he should wait a little, or the kid was a bit behind on some other development. I haven't really run into any in my experience who are any older than a late July birthday.
I have also come across a smaller number of kids who started school early, not including my wife and my mother who both started school early/skipped a grade.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 17, 2024 11:44:04 GMT -8
My kids are both August babies. We started them at expected time. They are younger than most of their classmates. No big deal for the girl. For the boy, if we could do it over again, we'd start him a year later for maturity reasons.
Sports have nothing to do with it for us. In fact, I find that my son is being pushed harder playing against, and with kids who are at times, a full year, or more, older than him. In other words, I think there can be a benefit for kids who are younger, in sports.
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Caraway
May 17, 2024 13:38:45 GMT -8
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Post by jayvinson on May 17, 2024 13:38:45 GMT -8
Trent has publicly stated that he would have signed out of high school if he had been a first round pick. He said he believes he has first round talent and does not want to settle for less. After missing, most of his first year to injury, I doubt that he will reach that status after only one "real" year of college ball (1925).
If that is the case, and he meant what he said, I think the odds are good that we have him for three years.
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