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Post by TheGlove on Apr 26, 2024 9:58:26 GMT -8
Kübler-Ross originally developed stages to describe the process patients with terminal illness go through as they come to terms with their own deaths; it was later applied to grieving friends and family as well, who seemed to undergo a similar process.[10] The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:[11]
Denial – The first reaction is denial. In this stage, individuals believe the precipitating event is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality. Some may also isolate themselves, avoiding others who may have accepted what is happening.[4] This stage is usually a temporary defense, so long as the person has adequate time to move amongst the stages as they contemplate death.[4] In her book, Kübler-Ross states that technological advancements have caused people to become fearful of violent, painful deaths; therefore, in order to protect the psychological mind, they deny the reality of their own inevitable death. [4]
Anger – When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"; "Why would this happen?". Some may lash out at loved ones, medical staff, and other family.[4] In Kübler-Ross's other book, Questions and Answers on Death and Dying, she emphasizes the need for people to do their best to let those who are in this stage feel their feelings and try not to take the anger personally. [12]
Bargaining – The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise. Examples include the terminally ill person who "negotiates with God" to attend a daughter's wedding, an attempt to bargain for more time to live in exchange for a reformed lifestyle or a phrase such as "If I could trade their life for mine".
Depression – "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon, so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one; why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the individual despairs at the recognition of their mortality. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.
Acceptance – "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it; I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 26, 2024 10:01:00 GMT -8
I'm in the IDGAF anymore stage when it comes to those who are leaving. I'll give Blacklock a break, she's leaving for more playing time, which she clearly wasn't going to get here.
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 26, 2024 10:04:41 GMT -8
I'm in the IDGAF anymore stage when it comes to those who are leaving. I'll give Blacklock a break, she's leaving for more playing time, which she clearly wasn't going to get here. Sounds like Depression stage to me, vote accordingly.
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Post by amber on Apr 26, 2024 10:15:49 GMT -8
I'm in the IDGAF anymore stage when it comes to those who are leaving. I'll give Blacklock a break, she's leaving for more playing time, which she clearly wasn't going to get here. She and Martha. The only acceptable leavers
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 26, 2024 10:38:04 GMT -8
I'm with Skrimshander. I'm losing interest in college athletics more by the day. Our relegation, and subsequent dismantling of sports programs, just makes it hard to invest much into it. I'm tired of thinking " this will be different. The women's team is not really affected by NIL. They have a LOADED team returning, who cares if they play in the WCC?".... apparently they did.
I'm just waiting for the baseball program to fall apart.......which, in that case, I will take major step back, and all my f%#*s will have been given.
So I guess anger?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 10:39:27 GMT -8
Love this "Stages of Grief" post. I thought I was in the "Acceptance Phase" until I saw the players at last nights banquet, with 5 seconds I was right back in "Anger Phase." In Elton John words "I think its going to be a Long, Long Time before I am to Acceptance Phase again."
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Post by steinlager on Apr 26, 2024 12:07:45 GMT -8
It's been a painful experience. What could have been is the worst part. Sorta reminds me of getting dumped in high school by a girl I liked more than she liked me. I got over it.
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Post by grayman on Apr 26, 2024 12:21:06 GMT -8
I've got a dash of every stage going with the exception of denial. Still a bit of bargaining as I think there's still a slim hope of getting a player or two back (maybe that's denial but I don't think it would have a big effect on the overall situation, which I'm no longer in denial about). Mostly some lingering anger and resigned acceptance with a bit of depression, which is driven more by the overall state of college athletics than the wbb situation.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 26, 2024 13:07:21 GMT -8
I'm in the IDGAF anymore stage when it comes to those who are leaving. I'll give Blacklock a break, she's leaving for more playing time, which she clearly wasn't going to get here. Sounds like Depression stage to me, vote accordingly. Except I'm not depressed about it. I just don't care about them.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 26, 2024 13:49:23 GMT -8
Perhaps you are in denial of your depression, and masking it with apathy!😇 I write this in jest - but only partly!! I know better than to try to dent the armor of a career sports warrior such as yourself. ------- One thing is clear to me after reading all of your posts: Your allegiance is more to OSU than to the athletes who represent OSU. Fair enough. One is more permanent, and more pertinent, than the other. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by beaver55to7 on Apr 26, 2024 14:17:53 GMT -8
Honestly I'm through it already. The harder one to get through was football and relagation. The womens season was kind of serendpity anyway, so since I didn't expect it I enjoyed it more, but held onto it a lot looser. It's like the 2000 football season; If I had been expecting a run at a national championship that year, the loss at UW would have killed me. I wasn't, and the year was just awesome (I was going to say from start to finish, but the first games against eastern washington and New Mexico certainly weren't awesome, just thankful outcomes. ha).
Sport is always a roller coaster for all fans, you just have to remember that things are never as bad as they first seem after a terrible loss, nor as perfect as one might think after a huge win.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 26, 2024 14:34:00 GMT -8
Perhaps you are in denial of your depression, and masking it with apathy!😇 I write this in jest - but only partly!! I know better than to try to dent the armor of a career sports warrior such as yourself. ------- One thing is clear to me after reading all of your posts: Your allegiance is more to OSU than to the athletes who represent OSU. Fair enough. One is more permanent, and more pertinent, than the other. GO BEAVS!! You are exactly correct. The name on the front of the jersey is permanent, the one on the back is transitory.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 26, 2024 14:36:01 GMT -8
I've got a dash of every stage going with the exception of denial. Still a bit of bargaining as I think there's still a slim hope of getting a player or two back (maybe that's denial but I don't think it would have a big effect on the overall situation, which I'm no longer in denial about). Mostly some lingering anger and resigned acceptance with a bit of depression, which is driven more by the overall state of college athletics than the wbb situation. My thought exactly - TheGlove's poll only allows me to pick one stage.... The problem is: I am still in DENIAL that such a family-oriented team that loved each other could come apart so easily and quickly. I am in ANGER that conference disintegration driven by fiscally mismanaged, greedy, shady schools, including a couple of in-state sister organizations consuming the same state tax dollars could stab us in the back, and permanently set back OSU sports that were painstakingly "built, not bought". I'm still BARGAINING that we might get a couple to withdraw their names from the portal so I can continue to watch their progression in the program. I have DEPRESSION that college sports is now just about paid athlete$, and all the charm and luster of student-athlete$ and the pretence of players getting an education is lost, permanently, resulting in my having to go and find more satisfying hobbies for me to expend my time and money on. I have ACCEPTANCE that these talented ladies have every right to live their lives, look out for their own enlightened self interests, monetize their skills via social media, "take the money and run". I also accept that I can opt out of deep engagement with OSU sports, and that is probably what needs to happen next. Hmmmm, so how to vote? (For the record, I decided ACCEPTANCE is winning out). Go Beavers!
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Post by mountainbeaver on Apr 27, 2024 8:38:32 GMT -8
I have mostly depression trending toward angry acceptance. Acceptance right now involves acknowledging that college sports are little more than semiprofessional minor leagues with players quickly moving toward where the biggest payout is. Any illusion of loyalty to school is gone. Any player we develop into a star will be quickly bought up by the haves. How do you build a program if your best players are bolting every year? I’m not sure how this works for us going forward. The Boise State/Gonzaga model probably doesn’t work if you can’t keep players, or don’t have the money to pay them to stay. Maybe you can do it for one prized program, but unless you have a very rich donor willing to bankroll things, you’re going to be SOL.
I’ve always appreciated that the difficult years have really made the upsets and successes we’ve had so enjoyable. I’m not sure how this happens going forward with one and done players and money and prestige driving everything. If our relegation isn’t permanent, and we’re successful in creating a viable west coast conference in two years, things may look up for us. But it’s hard for me to get very enthused about the current state of west coast college athletics and how money has polluted everything.
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Post by lebaneaver on Apr 27, 2024 9:18:47 GMT -8
I'm in the IDGAF anymore stage when it comes to those who are leaving. I'll give Blacklock a break, she's leaving for more playing time, which she clearly wasn't going to get here. I'm squarely in the IDGAF phase, as in "I DON'T give a f%#*..." as opposed to "I DO give a f%#*..." There is a distinction that is NOT clear with the acronym...;l
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