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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 15, 2024 21:29:48 GMT -8
Oregon State has won 12-straight and nine-straight games and those were each around the 4-3 "slide" in the middle of the season. And the loss before that was to a top eight seed. And five straight wins before that. The Beavs did not play like a top 8 seed on Sunday but have in 2024 by and large. There is stuff to clean up, but 2024 is the second-best Oregon State team of all time to this point in the season. Just to continue this, Oregon State's 12-game winning streak is the Beavs' longest since Oregon State won 13 straight in 2018. Just eyeballing the next 20, 14-6 puts Oregon State in line to get a top 8 seed. It would be great if the two Nevada games rain out, but that looks next-to-impossible at this point. |
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Post by chinmusic on Apr 15, 2024 21:57:13 GMT -8
The Beavs are in great shape 34 games into the season. Three difficult losses (Utah, USC, Stanford) but 31 games that were well played. That's good consistency and I think the Pollsters recognize that.
D1 Baseball.com #5
Baseball America #8
Baseball Writers Assoc. #5
Rawlings Perfect Game #4
USA Today/ Coaches #4
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 15, 2024 23:13:38 GMT -8
I guess "well played" equals wins? Losses equate to not well played??
Anyone watching knows that there have been more than 3 games that have not been "well played". Nor has consistency been the strength it typically is... baserunning, fielding, communication, Ks, and pitching to some extent.
And, to clarify... win streaks don't determine post season success. But, they could be related to the SOS. Add, that a team's record 34 games in doesn't make it the 2nd best in "history"... to this point or any other. Comparing records of different schedules/years to make such claims is ridiculous.
We can clearly see how good when the dust settles.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 16, 2024 7:06:03 GMT -8
I guess "well played" equals wins? Losses equate to not well played?? Anyone watching knows that there have been more than 3 games that have not been "well played". Nor has consistency been the strength it typically is... baserunning, fielding, communication, Ks, and pitching to some extent. And, to clarify... win streaks don't determine post season success. But, they could be related to the SOS. Add, that a team's record 34 games in doesn't make it the 2nd best in "history"... to this point or any other. Comparing records of different schedules/years to make such claims is ridiculous. We can clearly see how good when the dust settles. Wow, really gotta argue every point! Of course there are things to tighten up. Defense looked better vs Furd. Pitching continues to come around.....the Sunday game got away from us, but Fri/Sat our staff was stellar, with very limited free passes. The team is learning they can rely on pitching, D, and timely hitting......plate discipline is always improving, and that showed in this series. It's how you get out-hit and still win the series. Is this a top 8 seed team? An Omaha team? I don't know, but they've set themselves up to be just that. Plenty of games left to prove, or disprove. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 16, 2024 9:56:12 GMT -8
I guess "well played" equals wins? Losses equate to not well played?? Anyone watching knows that there have been more than 3 games that have not been "well played". Nor has consistency been the strength it typically is... baserunning, fielding, communication, Ks, and pitching to some extent. And, to clarify... win streaks don't determine post season success. But, they could be related to the SOS. Add, that a team's record 34 games in doesn't make it the 2nd best in "history"... to this point or any other. Comparing records of different schedules/years to make such claims is ridiculous. We can clearly see how good when the dust settles. Wow, really gotta argue every point! Of course there are things to tighten up. Defense looked better vs Furd. Pitching continues to come around.....the Sunday game got away from us, but Fri/Sat our staff was stellar, with very limited free passes. The team is learning they can rely on pitching, D, and timely hitting......plate discipline is always improving, and that showed in this series. It's how you get out-hit and still win the series. Is this a top 8 seed team? An Omaha team? I don't know, but they've set themselves up to be just that. Plenty of games left to prove, or disprove. Pointing out possible fallacies depending on a definition like "well played" is an opinion. Hence, if wins = well played you're in the OP's camp. Most who have watched would agree there has been many instances of questionable to bad baseball and a W resulted. And, that inconsistent play has not been in just one area. How it relates to "Omaha" is an unknown. And, win streaks & current record doesn't change that. Again, is OSU playing like an "Omaha team" RIGHT NOW is also very subjective. My opinion is they are not. The current level of play needs to step up as the postseason competition will. So if having a different opinion and backing it up is "arguing" you must be one of those looking for only consensus. Yet calling out a different opinion is what... not arguing?!🤔 |
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Post by irimi on Apr 16, 2024 10:07:22 GMT -8
I guess "well played" equals wins? Losses equate to not well played?? Anyone watching knows that there have been more than 3 games that have not been "well played". Nor has consistency been the strength it typically is... baserunning, fielding, communication, Ks, and pitching to some extent. And, to clarify... win streaks don't determine post season success. But, they could be related to the SOS. Add, that a team's record 34 games in doesn't make it the 2nd best in "history"... to this point or any other. Comparing records of different schedules/years to make such claims is ridiculous. We can clearly see how good when the dust settles.Translation: When it's all over and we look back on the year, we can see whether or not we were any good.
There isn't a person here who would dispute this because it's the kind of common sense that any 3rd grader would know, but it doesn't give any insight into our position right now and what may be up ahead.
Now is the time for speculation, which isn't always accurate, but insightful speculation can be useful.
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Post by irimi on Apr 16, 2024 10:14:40 GMT -8
The Beavs are in great shape 34 games into the season. Three difficult losses (Utah, USC, Stanford) but 31 games that were well played. That's good consistency and I think the Pollsters recognize that. D1 Baseball.com #5 Baseball America #8 Baseball Writers Assoc. #5 Rawlings Perfect Game #4 USA Today/ Coaches #4 Except for the 17-4 loss at USC, our losses have been close. One or two of the losses have been stupid, like the loss to Utah and maybe the loss to Stanford. Both of those games we should have won.
I see a team that needs to learn to overcome adversity, to rise up and meet the challenge when the breaks don't fall their way. Three losses by one run.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 16, 2024 12:55:47 GMT -8
The Beavs are in great shape 34 games into the season. Three difficult losses (Utah, USC, Stanford) but 31 games that were well played. That's good consistency and I think the Pollsters recognize that. D1 Baseball.com #5 Baseball America #8 Baseball Writers Assoc. #5 Rawlings Perfect Game #4 USA Today/ Coaches #4 Except for the 17-4 loss at USC, our losses have been close. One or two of the losses have been stupid, like the loss to Utah and maybe the loss to Stanford. Both of those games we should have won.
I see a team that needs to learn to overcome adversity, to rise up and meet the challenge when the breaks don't fall their way. Three losses by one run.
Win/Loss Differential: +16 1 18-2 win over Washington+14 1+13 1
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+11 1
+10 3+9 1
+8 2
+7 3
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+3 1
+2 7
+1 2
-1 3
-3 1
-13 1
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2-3 in games decided by one run. But 9-3 in games decided by fewer than three runs.
Just for comparison, 2018 at this point:
+15 1 16-1 win over Washington
+12 1
+11 1
+9 1
+8 2
+7 1
+6 1
+5 3
+4 2
+3 4
+2 3
+1 8
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-2 1
-3 1
-4 1
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Each season's big win to this point was the win over Washington was the Pac-12 home opener, a win over Washington. The two wins are the most lopsided wins over Washington in Corvallis since 1954.
The big losses were each in the second game of a series on the road within six games of Easter, 15-4 against Arizona in 2018 and 17-4 against USC in 2024. |
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Post by obf on Apr 16, 2024 12:59:15 GMT -8
Sweeping the worst team in the SEC and losing to Samford mid-week must be better than taking 2-of-3 against a mid-level Pac-12 team and winning a mid-week against Portland. Well, it is if you go by the #s used: Kentucky... L @ #73, Sweep @ #39 OSU... W vs #59, WWL vs #129 Coaches Poll has OSU at #4, Kentucky at #5. No matter what we think... the numbers show 24 of OSU's wins are Q3/Q4 (11-0/13-1)... 5-4 vs Q1/Q2 (5-2/0-2) and the rest of the schedule does not help. Initial bias or not it is what it is, and what is used. For example, Kentucky has (19) Q1/Q2 wins... (12-0/7-4) with only 12 total game vs Q3/Q4 (3-0/8-1). OSU will not even play (19) Q1/Q2 games before the post season begins. Where as at this moment the remaining schedules: Kentucky OSU 1 vs #85 2 @ #198 1 @ #85 3 @ #77 3 vs #7 1 vs #59 3 @ #15 1 vs #59 3 vs #6 3 vs #63 1 @ #33 1 @ #63 3 at #43 3 @ #172 1 vs #139 1 @ #125 3 vs #17 3 vs #167 3 @ #28 Most of the SEC and ACC schedules look similar to UK's. So, OSU needs to win.. no stubbed toes vs this schedule as they are behind the 8-ball come #s time and seeding. It was a bad year for the Pac12 to be so down! Right now they are about #13 in RPI overall and have the 2nd worst SOS in that Top 20. There are about (10) 0ther teams with 27+ wins and better SOS and RPI than OSU... (8) are ACC/SEC teams. So, being a Top 8 seed will depend on handling a weak schedule and NOT having a poor Pac12 tourney. Thank GOODNESS we are getting out of the blasted Pac-12!!! Our SOS is going to be WAY better next year  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 16, 2024 13:24:38 GMT -8
Well, it is if you go by the #s used: Kentucky... L @ #73, Sweep @ #39 OSU... W vs #59, WWL vs #129 Coaches Poll has OSU at #4, Kentucky at #5. No matter what we think... the numbers show 24 of OSU's wins are Q3/Q4 (11-0/13-1)... 5-4 vs Q1/Q2 (5-2/0-2) and the rest of the schedule does not help. Initial bias or not it is what it is, and what is used. For example, Kentucky has (19) Q1/Q2 wins... (12-0/7-4) with only 12 total game vs Q3/Q4 (3-0/8-1). OSU will not even play (19) Q1/Q2 games before the post season begins. Where as at this moment the remaining schedules: Kentucky OSU 1 vs #85 2 @ #198 1 @ #85 3 @ #77 3 vs #7 1 vs #59 3 @ #15 1 vs #59 3 vs #6 3 vs #63 1 @ #33 1 @ #63 3 at #43 3 @ #172 1 vs #139 1 @ #125 3 vs #17 3 vs #167 3 @ #28 Most of the SEC and ACC schedules look similar to UK's. So, OSU needs to win.. no stubbed toes vs this schedule as they are behind the 8-ball come #s time and seeding. It was a bad year for the Pac12 to be so down! Right now they are about #13 in RPI overall and have the 2nd worst SOS in that Top 20. There are about (10) 0ther teams with 27+ wins and better SOS and RPI than OSU... (8) are ACC/SEC teams. So, being a Top 8 seed will depend on handling a weak schedule and NOT having a poor Pac12 tourney. Thank GOODNESS we are getting out of the blasted Pac-12!!! Our SOS is going to be WAY better next year Let's hope so! Still, the worst RPI on the list are the two midweek games against Nevada, which we play every year. Our brothers in Pullman have the second-worst RPI. I would like to keep playing Wazzu. UCLA is the third-worst, which Oregon State may be lucky to play next year. Gonzaga is fourth-worst, which is always a nice pairing with Wazzu. Cal is fourth-best. Once again, we would be lucky to play the Bears next year. Oregon is third-best. Oregon State would be lucky to play the Ducks next year. Portland is second-best. Portland is a half-game back of Gonzaga atop the West Coast Conference this year. The two play for the conference lead this weekend. If the Pilots can keep it up, they may be a good regional rival to play on weekends. Arizona is the best team left. With the Big 12 having an even number of teams, Oregon State may have to play Arizona early in the season, in order to continue the rivalry beyond this season. |
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