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Post by grayman on Apr 12, 2024 10:42:37 GMT -8
As of today, both basketball programs will have to rebuild the rosters.
Why? Because OSU was relegated and had to make a deal to play in the WCC.
Yes, I believe there are additional factors involved for both teams but going to the WCC is the primary reason for all the defections. Definitely for the women.
This will not end here if OSU does not find a way into a power conference.
IMO, the administration needs to find ways to make this happen and act proactively as much as possible while retaining Pac-12 status for the time being.
To me, this means doing more than sitting and waiting to see what happens (I would think they haven't been doing that alone anyway). It means being open to taking a little less if necessary (and within reason) to get it done. It means giving up on the pipe dream of rebuilding the Pac-12 and accepting the reality that some extra travel is most likely inevitable.
As far as travel is concerned, it certainly didn't outweigh the reality of playing in the WCC, did it?
Get it done. By (almost) any means necessary.
And if all attempts fail, then at least we'll know that we tried every option.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 12, 2024 11:45:41 GMT -8
Well, the mens program has been in the dumpster for a long time. And with NIL now, we will not be able to keep talent around AT ALL. That program is the poster child for developing a kid who will leave for a pay day.
The women's program is just sad. To go from a potential returning final four team, to dismantled completely, in a matter of days. I still think either Rueck is leaving, or there's something else at play we don't know about......I'm not going to buy the WCC schedule leading to a mass defection of a team that was a potential national champion contender.
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Post by lebaneaver on Apr 12, 2024 12:48:15 GMT -8
Well, the mens program has been in the dumpster for a long time. And with NIL now, we will not be able to keep talent around AT ALL. That program is the poster child for developing a kid who will leave for a pay day. The women's program is just sad. To go from a potential returning final four team, to dismantled completely, in a matter of days. I still think either Rueck is leaving, or there's something else at play we don't know about......I'm not going to buy the WCC schedule leading to a mass defection of a team that was a potential national champion contender. It is most definitely a “ME, ME, ME world.” I talked to a buddy of mine with young daughters who are just devastated by the departure of young women they’ve watched, met, loved, and want to emulate. I don’t give a damn how “sweet this team was….” those who left are serving only themselves, and honestly hurting some young hearts. Ayn Rand would be thrilled. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 12, 2024 12:53:36 GMT -8
Well, the mens program has been in the dumpster for a long time. And with NIL now, we will not be able to keep talent around AT ALL. That program is the poster child for developing a kid who will leave for a pay day. The women's program is just sad. To go from a potential returning final four team, to dismantled completely, in a matter of days. I still think either Rueck is leaving, or there's something else at play we don't know about......I'm not going to buy the WCC schedule leading to a mass defection of a team that was a potential national champion contender. It is most definitely a “ME, ME, ME world.” I talked to a buddy of mine with young daughters who are just devastated by the departure of young women they’ve watched, met, loved, and want to emulate. I don’t give a damn how “sweet this team was….” those who left are serving only themselves, and honestly hurting some young hearts. Any Rand would be thrilled. My daughter feels the same......I've talked to her about not getting too attached to these athletes. Yes, they are fun to watch, but they talk out of both sides of their mouths....not all of them, but many of them. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 13, 2024 9:28:17 GMT -8
It was reported that Hunter entered the portal because OSU was going to play in the WCC.
It doesn't take a hard reading between the lines to figure out that the WCC was a reason for TVO as well. And as I've pointed out a few times, she posted "Oof" on Twitter right after the news of the WCC deal was released.
Yes, the men's basketball team was bad. That doesn't mean the players had any interest in playing in the WCC. They clearly did not.
Again, I believe that getting relegated to the WCC is the driving factor in the portal jumps, not the only reason. But to cling to other reasons and ignore the relegation to the WCC is nonsense.
Yes, there's the NIL. Yes, there's the portal. Every team has to deal with this reality and most programs out there fall far short of elite status. Relatively speaking, Oregon State was doing just fine as a member of the Pac-12. Frankly, better than many schools.
If Oregon State can't find a way into a power conference (as Barnes said is the priority) then there will some brutally hard times ahead. And that will be on top of the hard times OSU is going through right now.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 13, 2024 12:52:42 GMT -8
I'm still bummed about this. WCC team Gonzaga finished 14th in the nation. UCONN finished 3rd and only played 1 Top 25 team during conference play as far as I can tell, #23 Creighton.
Seems to me being in the WCC is not the problem, out of conference schedule could be.
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Post by 86BEAVER on Apr 13, 2024 13:35:31 GMT -8
As of today, both basketball programs will have to rebuild the rosters. Why? Because OSU was relegated and had to make a deal to play in the WCC. Yes, I believe there are additional factors involved for both teams but going to the WCC is the primary reason for all the defections. Definitely for the women. This will not end here if OSU does not find a way into a power conference. IMO, the administration needs to find ways to make this happen and act proactively as much as possible while retaining Pac-12 status for the time being. To me, this means doing more than sitting and waiting to see what happens (I would think they haven't been doing that alone anyway). It means being open to taking a little less if necessary (and within reason) to get it done. It means giving up on the pipe dream of rebuilding the Pac-12 and accepting the reality that some extra travel is most likely inevitable. As far as travel is concerned, it certainly didn't outweigh the reality of playing in the WCC, did it? Get it done. By (almost) any means necessary. And if all attempts fail, then at least we'll know that we tried every option. Thanks Captain Obvious. How about offering solutions if it's so easy? |
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Post by seastape on Apr 13, 2024 15:23:28 GMT -8
I'm still bummed about this. WCC team Gonzaga finished 14th in the nation. UCONN finished 3rd and only played 1 Top 25 team during conference play as far as I can tell, #23 Creighton. Seems to me being in the WCC is not the problem, out of conference schedule could be. Gonzaga has been to the NCAA's every year since the 98-99 season. They have been to the Sweet 16 or higher every year since 2010-11. The played in the national title game the 2016-17 and 2020-21 seasons. Anyone in the Pac 12 do that well over that time period? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 13, 2024 15:57:46 GMT -8
I'm still bummed about this. WCC team Gonzaga finished 14th in the nation. UCONN finished 3rd and only played 1 Top 25 team during conference play as far as I can tell, #23 Creighton. Seems to me being in the WCC is not the problem, out of conference schedule could be. Gonzaga has been to the NCAA's every year since the 98-99 season. They have been to the Sweet 16 or higher every year since 2010-11. The played in the national title game the 2016-17 and 2020-21 seasons. Anyone in the Pac 12 do that well over that time period? Yes, but the WCC for the men is much stronger than for the women. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 13, 2024 16:02:41 GMT -8
As of today, both basketball programs will have to rebuild the rosters. Why? Because OSU was relegated and had to make a deal to play in the WCC. Yes, I believe there are additional factors involved for both teams but going to the WCC is the primary reason for all the defections. Definitely for the women. This will not end here if OSU does not find a way into a power conference. IMO, the administration needs to find ways to make this happen and act proactively as much as possible while retaining Pac-12 status for the time being. To me, this means doing more than sitting and waiting to see what happens (I would think they haven't been doing that alone anyway). It means being open to taking a little less if necessary (and within reason) to get it done. It means giving up on the pipe dream of rebuilding the Pac-12 and accepting the reality that some extra travel is most likely inevitable. As far as travel is concerned, it certainly didn't outweigh the reality of playing in the WCC, did it? Get it done. By (almost) any means necessary. And if all attempts fail, then at least we'll know that we tried every option. Thanks Captain Obvious. How about offering solutions if it's so easy? Do I need to spell it out to you, Captain Oblivious? I guess so. Many of the teams that did find a way into a power conference recently agreed to take a deal for less money to do so. SMU was the extreme example here but UO and UW did to get into the Big Ten. So did Stanford and Cal with the ACC. This could include making a deal for some of the Pac-12 assets as well. The Pac-12 is dead and right now there is no chance of rebuilding it using West Coast teams that would result in a viable power conference. Move on from that notion. Do not hesitate if an opportunity opens up with the ACC (or Big 12). Jump on it and then stay open to future changes if the college football landscape goes through more upheaval in a few more years. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 13, 2024 16:08:35 GMT -8
Thanks Captain Obvious. How about offering solutions if it's so easy? Do I need to spell it out to you, Captain Oblivious? I guess so. Many of the teams that did find a way into a power conference recently agreed to take a deal for less money to do so. SMU was the extreme example here but UO and UW did to get into the Big Ten. This could include making a deal for some of the Pac-12 assets as well. The Pac-12 is dead and right now there is no chance of rebuilding it using West Coast teams that would result in a viable power conference. Move on from that notion. Do not hesitate if an opportunity opens up with the ACC. Jump on it and then stay open to future changes if the college football landscape goes through more upheaval in a few more years. SMU joined for nothing, because they had boosters commit to raise $200 million to support them. We don’t have those boosters. Nobody wants us. Unless the ACC completely blows up, we are destined for the MWC. And for the ACC to completely blow up, it will take more than 2-4 teams leaving. If they only lose a couple of teams, they will backfill with Memphis, Tulane, etc. We need a major blow up for any chance. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 13, 2024 16:22:48 GMT -8
Do I need to spell it out to you, Captain Oblivious? I guess so. Many of the teams that did find a way into a power conference recently agreed to take a deal for less money to do so. SMU was the extreme example here but UO and UW did to get into the Big Ten. This could include making a deal for some of the Pac-12 assets as well. The Pac-12 is dead and right now there is no chance of rebuilding it using West Coast teams that would result in a viable power conference. Move on from that notion. Do not hesitate if an opportunity opens up with the ACC. Jump on it and then stay open to future changes if the college football landscape goes through more upheaval in a few more years. SMU joined for nothing, because they had boosters commit to raise $200 million to support them. We don’t have those boosters. Nobody wants us. Unless the ACC completely blows up, we are destined for the MWC. And for the ACC to completely blow up, it will take more than 2-4 teams leaving. If they only lose a couple of teams, they will backfill with Memphis, Tulane, etc. We need a major blow up for any chance. Thus my comment that SMU was an extreme example. Nobody WANTED us. That is subject to change, IMO. And I've stated many times that if all options fail, then it's on to the MWC and it will be what it will be. |
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