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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 12, 2024 11:11:33 GMT -8
the "lack of exposure"excuse is a false narrative .different sport, but the Dodgers sign a pitcher from Australia who lived 200 miles from the nearest paved road. you're good enough, scouts will find you.
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Post by hoopheritic on Apr 12, 2024 11:39:35 GMT -8
I don't think there's much difference than what would have needed to be done regardless of the roster. Will those P4 coaches want to schedule us with our depleted roster now? I think we know that's what the plan SHOULD have been, but my question was did they have AD backing/assurances that is what was going to happen? My fear is the AD didn't step up to the plate to aggressively get the plan of the big games for this team, so there was NO plan except you will play a WCC schedule next year. My guess is all guns are pointed at football right now. Like it or not football pays the bills.
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Post by 93beav on Apr 12, 2024 11:46:36 GMT -8
I think we know that's what the plan SHOULD have been, but my question was did they have AD backing/assurances that is what was going to happen? My fear is the AD didn't step up to the plate to aggressively get the plan of the big games for this team, so there was NO plan except you will play a WCC schedule next year. My guess is all guns are pointed at football right now. Like it or not football pays the bills. That doesn't mean they should get all the dollars. You could still be throwing good money after bad. And some things get us notoriety (like baseball) and even the elite eight trip to a small extent. Those should be supported where possible. Again, if it's always about the money, we should probably just give up right now. Because we'll never be as flush as some programs.
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 12, 2024 11:54:50 GMT -8
The women's BB program (Rueck, etc) has likely known about the exodus for a spell. It was April 8, when the program posted the above image on twitter, etc. At that time many of the high-profile Beavers had yet to announce 'portal'...but it makes sense now as to why they chose AJ as a face of the team in those April 8th posts. You are not wrong. Add in the fact that for the final couple weeks of the season, Talia was giving A.J. emphatic shout-outs and much love. She likely knew that her own role as team leader was going to fall on A.J. Marotte's shoulders next season. I, for one, hope that it does go to A.J. I have confidence in her abilities. Step One & Two in that regard would be for A.J. to: a.) remain a Beav, and b.) even to make a public statement (social media) to that end. Nothing would do more toward getting the fan base to look ahead, instead of wringing hands over the disbanding of the special group that was the 2023-24 Beaver's WBB team.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Apr 12, 2024 14:15:36 GMT -8
the "lack of exposure"excuse is a false narrative .different sport, but the Dodgers sign a pitcher from Australia who lived 200 miles from the nearest paved road. you're good enough, scouts will find you. Even our own "rocket scientist" Ruth Hamblin came from a high school over 1000km north of Vancouver BC (I'm pretty sure there aren't many bustling metropolis up that way) with a graduating class size of 10......and somehow she got plenty of exposure...... Go Beavers!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 12, 2024 15:11:13 GMT -8
I feel like there are probably a LOT of reasons this has all happened, but I wonder if there was a meeting after the season and there was NO plan for how the schedule was going to be constructed, or no assurances from the AD they were going to do what it takes to create a decent schedule for the team. Going from I hope we stay together to EVERYONE out in two weeks is WILD. Anyone have any insights on what the conversations where after the season about the plan for next year? The AD has said FROM THE BEGINNING that OSU will do everything it can to remain a P5-funded athletic department. That also means funding women's basketball at a P5 level. The players made their decisions. There is no "blame" to be assessed, especially to an administration that has done everything it can to keep OSU relevant, and to a coaching staff THAT WORKED ITS ASS OFF to make us one of the last eight teams standing.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 12, 2024 15:24:53 GMT -8
I feel like there are probably a LOT of reasons this has all happened, but I wonder if there was a meeting after the season and there was NO plan for how the schedule was going to be constructed, or no assurances from the AD they were going to do what it takes to create a decent schedule for the team. Going from I hope we stay together to EVERYONE out in two weeks is WILD. Anyone have any insights on what the conversations where after the season about the plan for next year? The AD has said FROM THE BEGINNING that OSU will do everything it can to remain a P5-funded athletic department. That also means funding women's basketball at a P5 level. The players made their decisions. There is no "blame" to be assessed, especially to an administration that has done everything it can to keep OSU relevant, and to a coaching staff THAT WORKED ITS ASS OFF to make us one of the last eight teams standing. Wait... I would like to blame... Hmmmm Is there anyone or anything left? I don't want to be redundant. Ok... I know... Tinkle's fault! That's new for this particular board! If it wasn't for the mbb program the wbb program wouldn't know the portal existed!! 🤣🤣
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Post by orangesocks on Apr 12, 2024 15:35:18 GMT -8
Count me as one who is more than understanding if it's nothing more than the conference affiliation.
A competitive, prideful, confident athlete usually wants to compete against the highest level of competition as often as possible. I'm thinking back to when I was a (mediocre) athlete and essentially made a college decision based almost entirely on that factor, choosing the one school at the highest division that made any effort to recruit me. Was that necessarily the right choice? No, but that's what I thought I wanted at the time. I can imagine how it might seem even more crucial to some of the best of the best.
I doubt these players view the difficulty of the Pac-12 as anything but a positive. I'm guessing every single one of these players was recruited with the idea that they would be playing basketball in arguably the strongest conference in the NCAA. A year or four in, and suddenly that opportunity was taken away from them, having nothing to do with poor play or anything else deserved.
So I think that's the main thing.
Don't get me wrong, I think there should have been a world of appeal in staying together and making a deeper run with teammates they supposedly adored. They know who they're playing for here, they know who they're playing with here, they know what life is like here. They may not like the idea of playing the WCC, but at least they kind of know what to expect from it. Transferring into the unknown is a mystery. It could go better, it could be worse. Which is more likely? (my guess is it's not better, unfortunately).
But this was only expected to be a top team next season if all, or almost all, of the players returned. So once a couple dominos begin to fall, suddenly even the sure things about staying in Corvallis, like loving your teammates, no longer are certain.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 12, 2024 17:53:35 GMT -8
Bailed, not bought.
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Post by avidbeaver on Apr 12, 2024 18:12:05 GMT -8
I feel like there are probably a LOT of reasons this has all happened, but I wonder if there was a meeting after the season and there was NO plan for how the schedule was going to be constructed, or no assurances from the AD they were going to do what it takes to create a decent schedule for the team. Going from I hope we stay together to EVERYONE out in two weeks is WILD. Anyone have any insights on what the conversations where after the season about the plan for next year? It isn't easy putting together a full non conference schedule. Lots of things, although small, take time to finalize it. I think the players were discussing the move to the WCC, especially late in the season. I think some of their minds were made up before the end of the season. Then others waiting for the first shoe to drop, followed them out the door.
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Post by ag87 on Apr 12, 2024 18:51:31 GMT -8
There's something called group think. I first heard the term in a 300 level business class. The example I remember the author using was how did a group of arguably brilliant people walk into the Bay of Pigs disaster. I'm thinking the players started talking about their disappointment with road games at Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount. And it culminated in them blowing up something very good that they had built.
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Post by sparty on Apr 12, 2024 19:04:27 GMT -8
There's something called group think. I first heard the term in a 300 level business class. The example I remember the author using was how did a group of arguably brilliant people walk into the Bay of Pigs disaster. I'm thinking the players started talking about their disappointment with road games at Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount. And it culminated in them blowing up something very good that they had built. Or more simple than that is once a couple leave then the others think they must do it too and it become the cool thing to act on. If player "A" and "B" leave then there is something wrong where I am at and I must act too? Like maybe I am missing something if I stay .....
Sheep follow sheep......
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 12, 2024 19:08:39 GMT -8
There's something called group think. I first heard the term in a 300 level business class. The example I remember the author using was how did a group of arguably brilliant people walk into the Bay of Pigs disaster. I'm thinking the players started talking about their disappointment with road games at Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount. And it culminated in them blowing up something very good that they had built. A lot of those same brilliant people green-lighted the Vietnam War and continued it long after they knew it was a tragic waste of lives and resources. Maybe they weren't "the Best and Brightest."
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Post by skyrider on Apr 12, 2024 19:41:36 GMT -8
There's something called group think. I first heard the term in a 300 level business class. The example I remember the author using was how did a group of arguably brilliant people walk into the Bay of Pigs disaster. I'm thinking the players started talking about their disappointment with road games at Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount. And it culminated in them blowing up something very good that they had built. A lot of those same brilliant people green-lighted the Vietnam War and continued it long after they knew it was a tragic waste of lives and resources. Maybe they weren't "the Best and Brightest." Henry Skrimshander,
Superb observation about the Vietnam war. I served two tours of duty there during the war (U.S. Navy) and literally every soldier, sailor, marine, pilot, etc., etc. knew what we were doing was wrong and how we were doing it was wrong.
I was and still am proud to have served my country when called up to do so. That does not change what you stated-"we all knew it was a tragic waste of lives and resources".
Also another great example within the animal kingdom comes to mind when contemplating the OSU women's basketball teams stampede to the portal. Do "Lemmings and their preferred form of group brilliance" ring a bell? (grin).
Perhaps, although I hope am wrong about this, the Lemming approach may be what college athletics in general is using and may reach the edge of the cliff sooner than anyone expects.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 12, 2024 19:51:49 GMT -8
My guess is all guns are pointed at football right now. Like it or not football pays the bills. That doesn't mean they should get all the dollars. You could still be throwing good money after bad. And some things get us notoriety (like baseball) and even the elite eight trip to a small extent. Those should be supported where possible. Again, if it's always about the money, we should probably just give up right now. Because we'll never be as flush as some programs. Interesting broad view. Yes, they make all the money. But that doesn’t mean they should get to keep it.
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