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Post by skyrider on Apr 10, 2024 9:51:27 GMT -8
It would seem that "thinking outside-way outside the box" is called for if the Beaver's WBB team is to be a viable competitive entity in the future.
I am terrible at this sort of thing, but I hope I will "prime the pump" for the many of you on this sight who have proven to have excellent thoughts and ideas.
Right now it seems as if all factors point at us being in "victim mode".
I would like the administration, athletic director, coaches, etc. do extensive brainstorming using as many outside sources as necessary to
arrive at an approach that would be risky enough to fail but also dynamic enough to succeed.
I think we have an excellent Coaching Staff (head coach and assistants), excellent facilities, and a rich history.
Some of my thoughts about possible components for the new approach would be.
*Hire a full time coach/recruiter or maybe even two that would exclusively do overseas recruiting.
*Focus as much as possible on overseas recruits and Oregon and Washington talent.
*Perhaps develop summer training camps both in the U.S. and overseas that would be specifically for tall post type players (our best teams have always had a Ruth Hamblin, Marie Gulich, Raegan Beers, etc.)
*Search out players that would agree to redshirt their first year and that Coaches feel have been overlooked and a have a huge upside.
*Figure out some sort of legal incentive system that would reward players that stayed for their full career eligibility.
As I stated earlier, I am not good at this sort of thing but as a collective group who knows-maybe we can re-invent the wheel!
Go Beavs!!!
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Post by grayman on Apr 10, 2024 10:02:27 GMT -8
The WCC move is for two years at the most.
If you want the women's basketball program to stay at the level that it's been for almost all the past decade, then Oregon State needs to get into a power conference. It's as simple as that.
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Post by beavdowg on Apr 10, 2024 10:21:06 GMT -8
What if we went independent in the sports we're good at and play in whatever conference we can in the other sports. I'm thinking baseball, WBB, men's soccer, and maybe football (but that's a stretch). This was we can schedule all the good teams so players are getting the exposure they need/want and are RPI's are strong enough to get good seeds into post season tournaments. I'm just not holding my breath that we'll be able to get into a good conference after 2 years. I certainly hold out hope, but my rational side is skeptical.
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Post by grayman on Apr 10, 2024 10:29:48 GMT -8
What if we went independent in the sports we're good at and play in whatever conference we can in the other sports. I'm thinking baseball, WBB, men's soccer, and maybe football (but that's a stretch). This was we can schedule all the good teams so players are getting the exposure they need/want and are RPI's are strong enough to get good seeds into post season tournaments. I'm just not holding my breath that we'll be able to get into a good conference after 2 years. I certainly hold out hope, but my rational side is skeptical. The problems with going independent for wbb is filling out the schedule and finding a media partner. Maybe it can be done and maybe that was the road that should have been taken instead of making a deal with the WCC but it's kind of too late at this point. It will be interesting to see how it works out for baseball. If they can figure out a good way to fill out that schedule, maybe you could do that in other sports for a time but independent status does not seem to be a viable long term option. |
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Post by bvrblvr on Apr 10, 2024 10:34:58 GMT -8
Independent would be pretty difficult without finding a TV partner like Notre Dame football. The only independent basketball school (men or women) is Chicago State. 0 in men's soccer, 1 in baseball - Oregon State next year, and ND, UMass, UConn and Army in football.
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Post by skyrider on Apr 10, 2024 10:58:25 GMT -8
The WCC move is for two years at the most. If you want the women's basketball program to stay at the level that it's been for almost all the past decade, then Oregon State needs to get into a power conference. It's as simple as that. grayman,
Well stated as usual. However clearly that has not happened so far and seems unlikely.
What steps, strategies, etc, etc. would you suggest to make that happen (i.e. get into a power conference). Also it would seem that other new ideas and approaches might successfully work reduce transfers, etc for OSU .
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 10, 2024 11:29:59 GMT -8
The WCC move is for two years at the most. If you want the women's basketball program to stay at the level that it's been for almost all the past decade, then Oregon State needs to get into a power conference. It's as simple as that. I don't think this can be overstated. We got 5*'s/All Americans cuz we were competing in the deepest conference in the country. We will not get the same recruits living in the WCC, or similar. |
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Post by skyrider on Apr 10, 2024 12:06:32 GMT -8
The WCC move is for two years at the most. If you want the women's basketball program to stay at the level that it's been for almost all the past decade, then Oregon State needs to get into a power conference. It's as simple as that. I don't think this can be overstated. We got 5*'s/All Americans cuz we were competing in the deepest conference in the country. We will not get the same recruits living in the WCC, or similar. flyfishinbeav,
Thanks for your thoughts. However my whole premise I believe is still valid. To get into a power conference, will require doing something drastically different than we are doing now. What is that something or things?
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Post by grayman on Apr 10, 2024 12:24:54 GMT -8
The WCC move is for two years at the most. If you want the women's basketball program to stay at the level that it's been for almost all the past decade, then Oregon State needs to get into a power conference. It's as simple as that. grayman,
Well stated as usual. However clearly that has not happened so far and seems unlikely.
What steps, strategies, etc, etc. would you suggest to make that happen (i.e. get into a power conference). Also it would seem that other new ideas and approaches might successfully work reduce transfers, etc for OSU .
Well, I'm not sure how much more Oregon State can do at this point to make it happen. OSU's athletics are more than worthy to be a member of any of the power conferences and for sure the Big 12 and ACC. The idea that OSU football isn't capable of pulling in TV viewers is, IMO, a false narrative that was disproven to a large degree by the 2023 numbers. That is, when OSU football is good and the games are broadcast on a national network other than the Pac-12 Network, the numbers are fairly strong. WSU also does well, so the narrative that a team has to be in a large metropolitan area is also false (Stillwater, Manhattan (Kansas), Ames, etc. already show that to be the case. So IMO it's really down the domino effect once teams start to break away from the ACC. That could lead to a bunch of different scenarios that could result in offers to OSU to join the ACC or (IMO much more unlikely at this point) an offer to join the Big 12. I think the ACC losing some teams is something that will happen. It's more about where everything falls. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2024 12:26:21 GMT -8
Independent would be pretty difficult without finding a TV partner like Notre Dame football. The only independent basketball school (men or women) is Chicago State. 0 in men's soccer, 1 in baseball - Oregon State next year, and ND, UMass, UConn and Army in football. UMass is joining the MAC for all sports in 2025-26. Army is joining the AAC for football in 2024. Unless you are Notre Dame, there is absolutely no future in being a football independent. And even ND has to belong to the ACC in every other sport except hockey (Big Ten). The ACC was monumentally stupid to accept ND in all sports without demanding their football team also be included. Their only other option would have been the Big East. |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 10, 2024 19:19:30 GMT -8
I believe that Clemson and Florida State have to break grant of rights thing in the ACC for us to get out of this predicament. If that happens it's likely two to five other schools will want to leave also. My hope is that the ACC goes to both coasts (changes the name) and has an ACC division and a PAC division. The Pacific Division would be Cal, Stanford, OSU, WSU, and likely San Diego State, UNLV and perhaps Fresno. The ACC division would be the same amount of teams and who remains is anybody's guess. Those remaining would need to choose that the renamed ACC is better than the Big12. ESPN would need to cooperate and extend the current contract to make this similarly attractive to a Big12 offer. OSU and WSU's old Pac12 money would fund the top MountainWest schools buy-outs. It would be a nice league with limited travel out of the Pacific Time Zone.
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