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Post by beavfan14 on Apr 5, 2024 8:16:00 GMT -8
Some will say stats can be made to make your point, one way or another. Here is a stat that can't be changed, wins. Nothing against Gardiner, she is hugely important and I hope she stays. But she didn't start until Beers got hurt. We were a top 10-11 team going up against UCLA when Beers got hurt. We pulled that game out but then went 1 and 3 until Beers came back including a loss to Washington. I don't care what stats you tell me, with Beers we were a top 10 team and an Elite Eight level team, without, not so much. And yes I know two losses were USC and Stanford. But they were both close games which I believe we would have won with how they were playing. Players keying in on Beers is what allows the back court players more freedom and shooting opportunities. Beers is an all Pac12 and mulitple All American selection for a reason, she is the most important player on the team.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 5, 2024 10:04:34 GMT -8
Agreed on importance of Beers on this team. Her presence in the middle, alone, cannot be replaced by anyone else on the team. Gardiner played well in her absence, and she is a tremendous basketball player. Beers is what makes it all go though.
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Post by markwbeaver on Apr 5, 2024 10:11:16 GMT -8
I have to say that this feels kind of silly. Both Beers and Gardiner are tremendous players. Having them in combination greatly multiplies the ability of the team. We need and want them both.
Glen Campbell in the Wichita Lineman:
I need you more than want you, And I want you for all time.
Does this work for a duo in basketball?
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 5, 2024 11:13:35 GMT -8
To have Raegan Beers rated by rgeorge as no higher than #4 on the Beavs' list of returning player retention priorities is simply baffling to me. Others on this board? What do you think of that priority list? I would enjoy having them all return, but Beers' return translates to the highest WAR (if that was a basketball stat as well) of any Beav on the current roster. I'm not trying to pick sides, it's all just our opinion but my order goes 1-Beers 2-Gardiner 3-Dono 4-Dom Losing Beers and Gardiner makes this a pretty weak team unfortunately. Keeping one of them, gives us a chance to remain a top 25 team. Yep... opinions... and each is based on our personal beliefs/priorities. Not wrong, nor indicative of not "knowing" basketball. I just know that one player can fill the role of post scorer with multiple moves over either shoulder, elite rebounder, more mobile wing defender, and a offensive mid-range and 3-pt game. One can't offer that versatility. Also stats do not tell the entire story as much of the stat line is the focus of the offense. OSU has had many "types" of posts... Beers is one of the best, if not the (still only two years in) of the limited "power" post. Marie didn't come in as a 5*, but developed into a highly versatile post and also lead a team to great success. Timea didn't start because she was the offense off the bench for much of the season. And, OSU could not afford both Beers and Timea to both get into early foul trouble. As many will say... BOTH, together are integral to future success. But, this is about "IF" you lost some players how would you rank the lesser of evils. It wasn't about which was most important this season. As for Dom vs Dono... OSU has survived quite well without the typical PG, and Dom gives OSU something I have not seen at OSU since maybe Jamie. A wing that can handle with both, not only hit the 3 and mid-range, but very strong and adept off the dribble with contact in the lane. I only place her above Dono because she has much more high level experience being from overseas competition and I think a bit stronger build/base. She also did not have the prolonged slumps even though she was not used to USA play, and received sporadic minutes yet performed.. Although more apt to turn it over, Dom was a more effective shooter: overall (48%/37.2%/75% vs 41.6%/33.3%/60.7%); in Pac12 play the differences grew (49.2%/28.6%/79.2% vs 40.3%/31.1%/54.5%). Both both were super solid as true frosh... 3A and 3B in whatever order... Point is losing any combo of these 4 would be tough. But, my opinion is based on if you lost one, you'd like to keep the most versatile that gives you more options to build around. Other's mileage may vary.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 5, 2024 11:49:37 GMT -8
To have Raegan Beers rated by rgeorge as no higher than #4 on the Beavs' list of returning player retention priorities is simply baffling to me. Others on this board? What do you think of that priority list? I would enjoy having them all return, but Beers' return translates to the highest WAR (if that was a basketball stat as well) of any Beav on the current roster. I'm not trying to pick sides, it's all just our opinion but my order goes 1-Beers 2-Gardiner 3-Dono 4-Dom Losing Beers and Gardiner makes this a pretty weak team unfortunately. Keeping one of them, gives us a chance to remain a top 25 team. This is my order as well. That core, plus a defensive-minded guard that can shoot the 3 makes for a team that can contend next year. I'd love to keep Lily and Adley, but I think they both have to improve defensively to help this team be top-tier. And as we saw against SC, a really athletic forward that can offensive rebound and shot blocking machine is incredibly helpful on the roster; that's probably a lot to ask.
But the reality is, even with TvO gone, the remaining roster still has a title run in them (regardless of WCC conference); not a lot of transfer options that can legitimately offer this. Of course, lose 1-2 on this top 4 to transfers, and that's out the window without replacing with similar players (which seems very unlikely). So hopefully the core group is collectively discussing their options with one of them being they stay intact at OSU.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 5, 2024 11:52:05 GMT -8
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Post by mountainbeaver on Apr 5, 2024 11:53:10 GMT -8
The portal has been brutal to all of our sports so far which has been really depressing. With that said, the core of this team for me is Beers, Gardiner, Dono, and Dom. Beers is the best post we’ve had since Gulich and could probably be our best ever. Gardiner can do everything and really busted out late this season. Hunter is the point guard we’ve always wanted and needed, and Dom is the X factor who can take Talia’s role. If we somehow hold onto the core, we could make a final 4 run. I’m not optimistic, but one can dream and hope.
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Post by beavsteve on Apr 5, 2024 13:05:37 GMT -8
What I would do if I were the Coach is ask favors of good teams (ex Pac-12, Notre Dame, etc.) to get a commit to schedule us next year. If he can assure the remaining players of a challenging schedule, he may convince them to stay. Let's hope that explains the delay in further transfers.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 5, 2024 13:20:21 GMT -8
Anyone actually leave besides TVO?
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Post by jones on Apr 5, 2024 13:22:19 GMT -8
Grace van Slooten would be my pick.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 5, 2024 13:22:45 GMT -8
Anyone actually leave besides TVO? Not that we know of, at least not officially
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 5, 2024 14:34:24 GMT -8
Curious why Noble. She gets after it on defense, but can't shoot or score. No improvement in that department her whole career. Also very foul prone. I just never saw her bringing much to the table with the Huskies. Some Dawg fans thought she was a glue player, but again I didn't see it.
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Post by eorbeav on Apr 5, 2024 14:35:03 GMT -8
The portal has been brutal to all of our sports so far which has been really depressing. With that said, the core of this team for me is Beers, Gardiner, Dono, and Dom. Beers is the best post we’ve had since Gulich and could probably be our best ever. Gardiner can do everything and really busted out late this season. Hunter is the point guard we’ve always wanted and needed, and Dom is the X factor who can take Talia’s role. If we somehow hold onto the core, we could make a final 4 run. I’m not optimistic, but one can dream and hope. Damn right!!
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 5, 2024 16:29:42 GMT -8
To have Raegan Beers rated by rgeorge as no higher than #4 on the Beavs' list of returning player retention priorities is simply baffling to me. Others on this board? What do you think of that priority list? I would enjoy having them all return, but Beers' return translates to the highest WAR (if that was a basketball stat as well) of any Beav on the current roster. I'm not trying to pick sides, it's all just our opinion but my order goes 1-Beers 2-Gardiner 3-Dono 4-Dom Losing Beers and Gardiner makes this a pretty weak team unfortunately. Keeping one of them, gives us a chance to remain a top 25 team. I agree with your list but would add Dom and Lily as 4a and 4b. Lily's agility and length on D is a real weapon in addition to her outside game. Both are young with a ton of upside.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 5, 2024 17:05:22 GMT -8
Based on what I’ve read (no inside information), I’d be fairly surprised if Raegan and Timea are back, probably Hansford too. WCC looks pretty down next year. Gonzaga will have one of the best players in the country in Yvonne Ejim. I guess we’ll find out over the course of the next week.
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