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Post by eorbeav on Apr 4, 2024 16:14:37 GMT -8
Good point.
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Post by gnawitall on Apr 4, 2024 16:20:46 GMT -8
A couple things about TVO. She did say the reason was deeply personal, which could mean a number of things, some of which may convince most of us that the best thing for her would be to transfer to take care of this deeply personal situation. Another thing that I saw from someone who runs a page about OSU WBB, was their message to TVO that said something to the sense that this was out of TVO's control, or mostly out of her control, or something to that effect. Obviously, most of us don't know what all of this is about, and we probably shouldn't hold this against her considering we don't know the whole story. As for Timea, if she leaves that would be a big blow to the roster. My guess would be that she might reconsider Stanford. As much as I like Talia, replacing her would be much easier than trying to replace her and Timea, and of course, if Raegan leaves, it's a whole new ballgame. Too bad we have to talk about this stuff instead of how great this team would be if they stuck together another year. Well then don't talk about it. What is the point in being negative about something that hasn't happened, that you have no solid proof will happen, and that you have zero control over.? It is premature weeping and gnashing of teeth. Before Talia's announcement, we were all excited about this team and what it could do next year. Two days later you have Rueck, his staff, Raegan & Timea, and several players to be named later, all departing for greener pastures. Why don't you just take a breath, calm down, and have a little come-to-Jesus with yourself about the whole thing. I just looked out the window and the sky hasn't fallen. 'The Sky is Falling' is a great book by Raeann Demont about OCD.
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Post by ocbeav on Apr 4, 2024 17:14:03 GMT -8
Van Lith has entered the portal for the second consecutive season. Interested to see where she lands this time around. Reportedly chose LSU over SC and Stanford last time. she picked Louisville over Beavers out of HS. Beavers did recruited Clark as well
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 4, 2024 18:36:32 GMT -8
It will probably be short lived, but I'm glad to see the others haven't shown up in the transfer portal right away. It gives me a little hope that the players are talking it over between themselves. This team could be better next year even without TvO if the freshman make large leaps in both skills and leadership, which they seem fully capable of. At least there's a sign that departing isn't an easy decision for them. Maybe Beers is trying to rally the troops. I could see that. She seems to genuinely love OSU.
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 4, 2024 18:47:18 GMT -8
My wild guess is that Rueck and the money folks are trying to make it seem worthwhile to stay. Good luck to them if that is so.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 4, 2024 18:48:04 GMT -8
May be of interest to OSU:
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Post by nksuwu on Apr 4, 2024 20:11:19 GMT -8
(Apologies if someone already posted this, but…)
WSU star Charisse Leger-Walker, injured the second half of the year, but a perennial All-Pac-12 performer, has entered the transfer portal. Tremendous player as you know with one year of eligibility, but no idea if we would have mutual interest in each other. Much will depend on the second wave of departures.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 4, 2024 20:53:31 GMT -8
Van Lith has entered the portal for the second consecutive season. Interested to see where she lands this time around. Reportedly chose LSU over SC and Stanford last time. she picked Louisville over Beavers out of HS. Beavers did recruited Clark as well I don't think we were even in her final five. Clark took a visit to OSU and UO but never seriously considered either school. She committed to Notre Dame before switching to Iowa. Some interesting numbers: HVL's efficiency numbers (PERs) ranged 15.1 to 21.8 while at LSU and Louisville. She's 5'7" and a 33 percent 3-point shooter and not that much better overall. Caitlyn Clark's lowest PER was 35.4; its 43.9 so far this year. Cameron Brink led the NCAA at 45.8. Angel Reese's four year PER average was 39.1. Other notable players' average: Breanna Stewart, 41.4; Sabrina Ionescu, 33.5; Elena Delle Donne, 49.9, and she has the two highest seasons ever. She's not a great player.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 4, 2024 20:58:50 GMT -8
Really no reason to get "riled" either way. It won't change a thing. OSU being "ok" has many facets. The most concerning to me is that everyone, that includes SR, knows there is a high probability of players leaving no matter the team's success. Yet, OSU has no recruits signed or as far as I can tell interested?? Maybe SR is only planning on vets thru the portal as he has enough youth?! As for player retention the #1 priority, biggest loss, would be Timea. There are very very few 6'3" stretch 4s with complete offensive games. And, she's just getting started. Don would be next IMHO... poised 6'+ PG that can drop a key "3", or penetrate vs smaller guards is also rare in a youngster. Dom would be my 3rd. So strong, versatile, yet a bit predictable. As only a Frosh in the US game she has a ton of upside. However, she doesn't need to portal. She can go home at any time and make more playing than any NIL she'll be offered. Beers is the board fav. I get it. But, she very limited offensively and can be a liability vs mobile 5's and those built like her but truly 6'5"+. She has the most "growing" to do to become a complete player. A face-up game, improve FTs, discipline on D vs reaching and coming down from vertical on interior shots. Again, not disparaging her game or importance these past two seasons. I just see her as easier (mot easy) to be replaced than the other skill sets above. Even with "big by committee" if needed. IMHO SR's biggest '23 blunder was Kelsey and Heidi. One, or both, needed to be a more effective big even if a frosh to develop behind Beers. Injuries, bad luck, bad play, the portal, NIL... crap happens. We can certainly have our opinions, but all of it is out of anyone's real control. If one gets riled up at every negative turn in life... well, that's a miserable existence. Same with teams we root for... let's see how it plays out. I respectfully disagree with any OSU WBB player retention priority list that fails to list Beers as Priority 1A. Her numbers don't lie. She gives the Beavs an opportunity to win consistently at a very high level. She is a mismatch nightmare for many of the country's Top Ten teams. I won't go into all of the stats. Not necessary. Those who truly know women's collegiate basketball recognize her massive value to the Beavs. Gardiner has a high ceiling with her unusual skill set. Beers gives you 17/10 night after night.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 4, 2024 22:13:07 GMT -8
Really no reason to get "riled" either way. It won't change a thing. OSU being "ok" has many facets. The most concerning to me is that everyone, that includes SR, knows there is a high probability of players leaving no matter the team's success. Yet, OSU has no recruits signed or as far as I can tell interested?? Maybe SR is only planning on vets thru the portal as he has enough youth?! As for player retention the #1 priority, biggest loss, would be Timea. There are very very few 6'3" stretch 4s with complete offensive games. And, she's just getting started. Don would be next IMHO... poised 6'+ PG that can drop a key "3", or penetrate vs smaller guards is also rare in a youngster. Dom would be my 3rd. So strong, versatile, yet a bit predictable. As only a Frosh in the US game she has a ton of upside. However, she doesn't need to portal. She can go home at any time and make more playing than any NIL she'll be offered. Beers is the board fav. I get it. But, she very limited offensively and can be a liability vs mobile 5's and those built like her but truly 6'5"+. She has the most "growing" to do to become a complete player. A face-up game, improve FTs, discipline on D vs reaching and coming down from vertical on interior shots. Again, not disparaging her game or importance these past two seasons. I just see her as easier (mot easy) to be replaced than the other skill sets above. Even with "big by committee" if needed. IMHO SR's biggest '23 blunder was Kelsey and Heidi. One, or both, needed to be a more effective big even if a frosh to develop behind Beers. Injuries, bad luck, bad play, the portal, NIL... crap happens. We can certainly have our opinions, but all of it is out of anyone's real control. If one gets riled up at every negative turn in life... well, that's a miserable existence. Same with teams we root for... let's see how it plays out. I respectfully disagree with any OSU WBB player retention priority list that fails to list Beers as Priority 1A. Her numbers don't lie. She gives the Beavs an opportunity to win consistently at a very high level. She is a mismatch nightmare for many of the country's Top Ten teams. I won't go into all of the stats. Not necessary. Those who truly know women's collegiate basketball recognize her massive value to the Beavs. Gardiner has a high ceiling with her unusual skill set. Beers gives you 17/10 night after night. Lol... "truly" know! Ha... the backhanded "respectfully" nice. You can disagree all you want, spout all sorts of stats... it's my opinion. I'll stick to it. As most who "truly know" what type of player is the most difficult to defend and to find for your roster. So, disagree. You're entitled to your knowledgeable opinion.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 4, 2024 23:08:37 GMT -8
To have Raegan Beers rated by rgeorge as no higher than #4 on the Beavs' list of returning player retention priorities is simply baffling to me. Others on this board? What do you think of that priority list?
I would enjoy having them all return, but Beers' return translates to the highest WAR (if that was a basketball stat as well) of any Beav on the current roster.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 4, 2024 23:12:49 GMT -8
To have Raegan Beers rated by rgeorge as no higher than #4 on the Beavs' list of returning player retention priorities is simply baffling to me. Others on this board? What do you think of that priority list? I would enjoy having them all return, but Beers' return translates to the highest WAR (if that was a basketball stat as well) of any Beav on the current roster. Ahhh... I get it. You post what you hope are popular opinions. So, if others agree you're correct? Makes sense now🤔
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Post by 02beav on Apr 4, 2024 23:18:02 GMT -8
To have Raegan Beers rated by rgeorge as no higher than #4 on the Beavs' list of returning player retention priorities is simply baffling to me. Others on this board? What do you think of that priority list? I would enjoy having them all return, but Beers' return translates to the highest WAR (if that was a basketball stat as well) of any Beav on the current roster. I'm not trying to pick sides, it's all just our opinion but my order goes 1-Beers 2-Gardiner 3-Dono 4-Dom Losing Beers and Gardiner makes this a pretty weak team unfortunately. Keeping one of them, gives us a chance to remain a top 25 team.
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Post by 411500 on Apr 5, 2024 6:57:50 GMT -8
Yes, everyone has the right to their opinion. This does not make all opinions equal. The merit of an opinion is determined (among other things) by its coherence and defensibility.
rgeorge is a knowledgeable sports fan who knows a great deal about basketball, and that gives him bonus points when assessing his viewpoints and opinions. But he missed the boat on Beers.
One reason his idea about Beers is lacking is that Rueck's offence relies on a powerful post presence. In its absence his teams struggle. Beers is a once in a decade post player - maybe the best in OSU WBB history. If not THE best, she certainly is among the very best. Literally, a generational post player.
Gardiner would be difficult to replace with a player of equal importance to team success. Beers would be virtually impossible to replace with a player of equal importance to team success. At least, that's how I see it. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by bendbeav on Apr 5, 2024 7:15:35 GMT -8
Three more University of Colorado players just entered the portal… Colorado now has 6 scholarship spots open. Could be a mass exodus to join up with solid core of Vonleh, Wetta & Forman…
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