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Post by jimbeav on Mar 16, 2024 16:01:15 GMT -8
My biggest takeaway from this sham of a 'deal' is that the Big12 and ACC have absolutely no spine.
They're content to sit there begging for scraps from the B1G and SEC.
Yes, those two conferences are ruining everything, but everybody else is letting them.
Time to burn everything to the ground and start over.
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Post by aggielarry on Mar 16, 2024 16:58:14 GMT -8
Hey, I'm sorry for you guys. I really am. You got a raw deal. You're entitled to yell and stomp your feet.
Of course, it won't change anything...
When you're done, we're looking forward to fully integrating you into the Mountain Pacific Conf.... er, the PAC-14!
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Post by seastape on Mar 16, 2024 18:13:18 GMT -8
The G5 teams need to get together and pledge to accept nothing less than a $2 million per game guarantee from a P4 opponent. If the P4 teams want body bag games, make them pay dearly for it. I look for P4 teams playing at G5 schools (like Purdue this year at Reser) to become a thing of the past. I doubt we will ever see Ol' Miss at Reser, as is scheduled. The G5 leagues also need to increase the number of their conference games. No reason for the MAC or MWC(for instance) to play only eight league games. They are 12-team conferences. Play 10 league games. The more times the P4 teams have to play each other, instead of a G5 OOC opponent, the more losses they will have. We'll see how well this playoff works when teams with three and four losses, which are much harder to market, are making the field. It's easy to hype a 12-0 Michigan vs. a 12-0 Georgia. Make them play 10 or 11 games against P4 teams and suddenly quite often they're 10-2. The SEC and Big Ten are ruining college football. I expect they'll take on the NCAA basketball tournament next. I would like to also see one media deal for the entire G5 division, on an exclusive platform (e.g., Apple +), with subscribers having access to every G5 channel on the media platform. Thus, Oregon State fans could be watching their game against Wyoming and flipping between the Fresno State-Boise State game and the Memphis-Tulsa game at the same time. Won't happen. The individual G5 conferences are too scattered with their own media deals and uniting them under one platform would be a logistical nightmare if not an impossibility. Ugh. If the ESPN article is accurate, then the SEC and the Big 10 have sent a clear message to OSU and WSU: they don't appreciate the independent course that OSU and WSU have taken, they don't care what OSU's and WSU's media numbers are, and OSU and WSU must join a G5 conference or they'll get less than what even the lowest members of the G5 (such as New Mexico and Temple) make. Isn't that fun? USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Vanderbilt and all the rest are dictating the future of the G5 and are telling OSU and WSU that the G5 is their future. They're also letting the ACC and Big 12 know that they are invited to the club, but they're not getting passes to the back rooms. Maybe the rest of us should just let the SEC and Big 10 go their own way.
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Post by grayman on Mar 16, 2024 21:42:36 GMT -8
The G5 teams need to get together and pledge to accept nothing less than a $2 million per game guarantee from a P4 opponent. If the P4 teams want body bag games, make them pay dearly for it. I look for P4 teams playing at G5 schools (like Purdue this year at Reser) to become a thing of the past. I doubt we will ever see Ol' Miss at Reser, as is scheduled. The G5 leagues also need to increase the number of their conference games. No reason for the MAC or MWC(for instance) to play only eight league games. They are 12-team conferences. Play 10 league games. The more times the P4 teams have to play each other, instead of a G5 OOC opponent, the more losses they will have. We'll see how well this playoff works when teams with three and four losses, which are much harder to market, are making the field. It's easy to hype a 12-0 Michigan vs. a 12-0 Georgia. Make them play 10 or 11 games against P4 teams and suddenly quite often they're 10-2. The SEC and Big Ten are ruining college football. I expect they'll take on the NCAA basketball tournament next. I would like to also see one media deal for the entire G5 division, on an exclusive platform (e.g., Apple +), with subscribers having access to every G5 channel on the media platform. Thus, Oregon State fans could be watching their game against Wyoming and flipping between the Fresno State-Boise State game and the Memphis-Tulsa game at the same time. Won't happen. The individual G5 conferences are too scattered with their own media deals and uniting them under one platform would be a logistical nightmare if not an impossibility. Ugh. If the ESPN article is accurate, then the SEC and the Big 10 have sent a clear message to OSU and WSU: they don't appreciate the independent course that OSU and WSU have taken, they don't care what OSU's and WSU's media numbers are, and OSU and WSU must join a G5 conference or they'll get less than what even the lowest members of the G5 (such as New Mexico and Temple) make. Isn't that fun? USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Vanderbilt and all the rest are dictating the future of the G5 and are telling OSU and WSU that the G5 is their future. They're also letting the ACC and Big 12 know that they are invited to the club, but they're not getting passes to the back rooms. Maybe the rest of us should just let the SEC and Big 10 go their own way. I don't think the Big Ten and SEC really care what OSU and WSU do at all. Maybe the powers that be are a little irritated with Shulz. It's not really a big deal for now. Again, this won't be a factor until 2026. The chances are pretty good that we'll know where OSU and WSU are landing before then. Best case is it's in the Big 12. IMO, a more likely scenario would be that an opportunity of some sort will appear once it becomes clearer where things are going to go with the ACC. Like it or not (and most of us don't), the SEC, Big Ten and the CFP deal means a further break in tiers. Those two have taken the top tier and the Big 12 is maneuvering to stay in the second tier. As is the ACC, which IMO could lead to an opportunity for the Pac-2. Right now, the ACC is slightly ahead of the Big 12 (in the new CFP per-team payout) but that will change if and when FSU and possibly other schools leave. Then you could have a situation with the ACC trying to stay viable by filling in with other schools. That probably drops the ACC below the Big 12 but still ahead of the G5 schools. Make no mistake, there's a reason a bunch of G5 schools want to make the move up.
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Post by seastape on Mar 17, 2024 6:20:19 GMT -8
I would like to also see one media deal for the entire G5 division, on an exclusive platform (e.g., Apple +), with subscribers having access to every G5 channel on the media platform. Thus, Oregon State fans could be watching their game against Wyoming and flipping between the Fresno State-Boise State game and the Memphis-Tulsa game at the same time. Won't happen. The individual G5 conferences are too scattered with their own media deals and uniting them under one platform would be a logistical nightmare if not an impossibility. Ugh. If the ESPN article is accurate, then the SEC and the Big 10 have sent a clear message to OSU and WSU: they don't appreciate the independent course that OSU and WSU have taken, they don't care what OSU's and WSU's media numbers are, and OSU and WSU must join a G5 conference or they'll get less than what even the lowest members of the G5 (such as New Mexico and Temple) make. Isn't that fun? USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Vanderbilt and all the rest are dictating the future of the G5 and are telling OSU and WSU that the G5 is their future. They're also letting the ACC and Big 12 know that they are invited to the club, but they're not getting passes to the back rooms. Maybe the rest of us should just let the SEC and Big 10 go their own way. I don't think the Big Ten and SEC really care what OSU and WSU do at all. Maybe the powers that be are a little irritated with Shulz. It's not really a big deal for now. Again, this won't be a factor until 2026. The chances are pretty good that we'll know where OSU and WSU are landing before then. Best case is it's in the Big 12. IMO, a more likely scenario would be that an opportunity of some sort will appear once it becomes clearer where things are going to go with the ACC. Like it or not (and most of us don't), the SEC, Big Ten and the CFP deal means a further break in tiers. Those two have taken the top tier and the Big 12 is maneuvering to stay in the second tier. As is the ACC, which IMO could lead to an opportunity for the Pac-2. Right now, the ACC is slightly ahead of the Big 12 (in the new CFP per-team payout) but that will change if and when FSU and possibly other schools leave. Then you could have a situation with the ACC trying to stay viable by filling in with other schools. That probably drops the ACC below the Big 12 but still ahead of the G5 schools. Make no mistake, there's a reason a bunch of G5 schools want to make the move up. The reason why I say it is the Big 10 and SEC controlling things, as opposed to another entity, is because the governance of the CFP is various school presidents within the 10 FBS conferences and the commissioners of the FBS conferences. Combine that with the line from the article, "...the other commissioners and Notre Dame leadership surrendered the bulk of the control over the format to the SEC and Big Ten as 'part of the give-and-take,' according to a source." The CFP, run largely by the SEC and the Big 10, has determined that OSU and WSU are worth 20% of a G5 team. I agree that these things are not written in stone and I don't think OSU is going to wind up getting that low of a payout. But, the payout they've given so far is not even a pittance, and it's difficult to not see that as an aggressive move from the Big 10 and SEC since they're the ones running things. I'm not sold that even a meltdown from the ACC is going to have a positive benefit for OSU. I could see the best of those schools going to the SEC and, in the bizarre world of D1, to the Big 10, some going to the Big 12, and then some being left out in the cold like OSU and WSU. Are we going to be able to make a P5 conference out of the remainders?
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Post by beavdowg on Mar 17, 2024 8:26:48 GMT -8
I don’t know that it even will matter if the remaining schools left out can cobble together a P5 conference. The way the B10 and SEC are controlling things all they have to do is vote to give us such a low payout that the teams can’t survive.
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Post by 93beav on Mar 17, 2024 9:08:36 GMT -8
The G5 teams need to get together and pledge to accept nothing less than a $2 million per game guarantee from a P4 opponent. If the P4 teams want body bag games, make them pay dearly for it. I look for P4 teams playing at G5 schools (like Purdue this year at Reser) to become a thing of the past. I doubt we will ever see Ol' Miss at Reser, as is scheduled. The G5 leagues also need to increase the number of their conference games. No reason for the MAC or MWC(for instance) to play only eight league games. They are 12-team conferences. Play 10 league games. The more times the P4 teams have to play each other, instead of a G5 OOC opponent, the more losses they will have. We'll see how well this playoff works when teams with three and four losses, which are much harder to market, are making the field. It's easy to hype a 12-0 Michigan vs. a 12-0 Georgia. Make them play 10 or 11 games against P4 teams and suddenly quite often they're 10-2. The SEC and Big Ten are ruining college football. I expect they'll take on the NCAA basketball tournament next. I would like to also see one media deal for the entire G5 division, on an exclusive platform (e.g., Apple +), with subscribers having access to every G5 channel on the media platform. Thus, Oregon State fans could be watching their game against Wyoming and flipping between the Fresno State-Boise State game and the Memphis-Tulsa game at the same time. Won't happen. The individual G5 conferences are too scattered with their own media deals and uniting them under one platform would be a logistical nightmare if not an impossibility. Ugh. If the ESPN article is accurate, then the SEC and the Big 10 have sent a clear message to OSU and WSU: they don't appreciate the independent course that OSU and WSU have taken, they don't care what OSU's and WSU's media numbers are, and OSU and WSU must join a G5 conference or they'll get less than what even the lowest members of the G5 (such as New Mexico and Temple) make. Isn't that fun? USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Vanderbilt and all the rest are dictating the future of the G5 and are telling OSU and WSU that the G5 is their future. They're also letting the ACC and Big 12 know that they are invited to the club, but they're not getting passes to the back rooms. Maybe the rest of us should just let the SEC and Big 10 go their own way. The exclusive media deal for G5's on Apple is the way to go - though I'm not a big fan of Apple - but like you said it won't happen. That sort of media deal takes the power away from schools that get high ratings and gives it to the number of subscribers you can get signed up. In that scenario, and let's say an equal distribution model, you could get 3 smaller schools that would equal one larger school in a traditional media deal. You're able to watch games coast-to-coast at all hours. Obviously, some schools would overlap between highest ratings and number of subscribers, but not always. And if you can prove the model successful, maybe you start pulling some of the lower schools in the current power conference divisions over. Sound completely crazy? Maybe, but it really comes down to what sort of deal w/ incentives you get from Apple and if you can meet those. If you're a recruit, you can get seen on Fox every few weeks or ESPN twice a year, or you can be beamed direct to your friends and family every single week. But of course that sort of media deal would need some sort of broadcasting setup, equipment, etc. hmm...not sure...where they'll get those. All it really takes is for 3-4 of the G5 conferences to set aside egos and jump into the water together. But again, odds are incredibly high against any sort of logical reality winning out.
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Post by grayman on Mar 17, 2024 11:27:45 GMT -8
I don't think the Big Ten and SEC really care what OSU and WSU do at all. Maybe the powers that be are a little irritated with Shulz. It's not really a big deal for now. Again, this won't be a factor until 2026. The chances are pretty good that we'll know where OSU and WSU are landing before then. Best case is it's in the Big 12. IMO, a more likely scenario would be that an opportunity of some sort will appear once it becomes clearer where things are going to go with the ACC. Like it or not (and most of us don't), the SEC, Big Ten and the CFP deal means a further break in tiers. Those two have taken the top tier and the Big 12 is maneuvering to stay in the second tier. As is the ACC, which IMO could lead to an opportunity for the Pac-2. Right now, the ACC is slightly ahead of the Big 12 (in the new CFP per-team payout) but that will change if and when FSU and possibly other schools leave. Then you could have a situation with the ACC trying to stay viable by filling in with other schools. That probably drops the ACC below the Big 12 but still ahead of the G5 schools. Make no mistake, there's a reason a bunch of G5 schools want to make the move up. The reason why I say it is the Big 10 and SEC controlling things, as opposed to another entity, is because the governance of the CFP is various school presidents within the 10 FBS conferences and the commissioners of the FBS conferences. Combine that with the line from the article, "...the other commissioners and Notre Dame leadership surrendered the bulk of the control over the format to the SEC and Big Ten as 'part of the give-and-take,' according to a source." The CFP, run largely by the SEC and the Big 10, has determined that OSU and WSU are worth 20% of a G5 team. I agree that these things are not written in stone and I don't think OSU is going to wind up getting that low of a payout. But, the payout they've given so far is not even a pittance, and it's difficult to not see that as an aggressive move from the Big 10 and SEC since they're the ones running things. I'm not sold that even a meltdown from the ACC is going to have a positive benefit for OSU. I could see the best of those schools going to the SEC and, in the bizarre world of D1, to the Big 10, some going to the Big 12, and then some being left out in the cold like OSU and WSU. Are we going to be able to make a P5 conference out of the remainders? The potential ACC breakup might not benefit OSU. If the entire conference dissolves, there's no place for OSU and WSU to go but to the G5 in whatever form that takes (Stanford and Cal might join them to make up what would no doubt be the strongest G5 conference). My guess is that the ACC will not break up completely and will look to rebuild with new additions. That could very well include the Pac-2 if Calford stays in the ACC. This would probably wind up as some sort of West Coast pod situation, which would be a far cry better than dropping to G5 status. But I think a good move for the ACC would be to help facilitate the rebuild of the Pac-12 and then merge the two conferences as the Pacific-Atlantic Coastal Conference or something like that. It would most likely include bringing in some G5 schools. Probably not going to happen but you never know.
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Post by p8nted on Mar 17, 2024 14:03:28 GMT -8
Am I reading this correct, even if we rebuild the PAC into something respectable, by then, it will already be too late? TV revenues will be promised/ distributed to the two big conferences, and the rest are left with the scraps? What am I missing? So much for renegotiating after our two year rebuild process That is how I read it. Even a rebuilt Pac would get no more money per team from the CFP than any other g5 conference. Pac brand just lost all its value
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Post by obf on Mar 19, 2024 9:09:20 GMT -8
Why would any G5 conference sign this deal? If the G5 bands together and refuses what's the worst that happens? they lose out on a couple million bucks a year? For almost every G5 team actually making the CFP will never happen so the only benefit is the measly 1.8 million a year? For context a school like Boise State brings in about 50 million a year in athletic revenue. As a school it is more like 300 million overall... These academics need to grow a spine and tell the P4 to stuff it where the sun don't shine, let them form their own league.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 19, 2024 9:17:53 GMT -8
Swell. We can carry a log on our shoulders through the snow. Then go out and get our asses kicked once the talent disparity is fully established. In the end, talent wins more than not. Log or no log, snow or no snow. 2001 Fiesta Bowl. 2004 Insight Bowl. 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2021 USC games. You can have all of the money in the entire world. You can have all of the talent in the entire world. You can still get beat.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 19, 2024 10:19:36 GMT -8
Swell. We can carry a log on our shoulders through the snow. Then go out and get our asses kicked once the talent disparity is fully established. In the end, talent wins more than not. Log or no log, snow or no snow. 2001 Fiesta Bowl. 2004 Insight Bowl. 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2021 USC games. You can have all of the money in the entire world. You can have all of the talent in the entire world. You can still get beat. If you think it's the same monetary environment now as 2000 etc, well, you don't. So don't act like it.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 19, 2024 11:55:53 GMT -8
Swell. We can carry a log on our shoulders through the snow. Then go out and get our asses kicked once the talent disparity is fully established. In the end, talent wins more than not. Log or no log, snow or no snow. 2001 Fiesta Bowl. 2004 Insight Bowl. 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2021 USC games. You can have all of the money in the entire world. You can have all of the talent in the entire world. You can still get beat. Anyone ever see an If bleeding?
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 19, 2024 12:00:21 GMT -8
2001 Fiesta Bowl. 2004 Insight Bowl. 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2021 USC games. You can have all of the money in the entire world. You can have all of the talent in the entire world. You can still get beat. Anyone ever see an If bleeding? It has to be gruesome.
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Post by grayman on Mar 19, 2024 13:49:54 GMT -8
Here's a clip from ESPN.com: Given the conference's uncertain status with 10 schools leaving next season, new Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould did not sign the CFP contract Friday.
The CFP requires a conference to have eight members for its champion to be considered for the CFP. Hancock said the future of the Pac-12's remaining two members, Oregon State and Washington State, concerning the CFP will "have to be determined under the new arrangement."42
"Oregon State and Washington State are eligible to participate in the CFP this year and next year, and they'll be eligible in the future depending on what they do, assuming they remain as FBS schools," Hancock said. "There will be a path for them to participate in the CFP."
Again, the whole $360k thing wouldn't take effect until 2026. So basically nothing has really changed for Oregon State and Washington State.
Also, for what it's worth, I believe UConn is also on track to receive much less ($360k or whatever) unless it finds a conference home for football. So this seems to be more of an if you're not Notre Dame and you stay independent, we're not going to pay you kind of situation.
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